God of War's Creator Thinks That the Character of Kratos Took a Wrong Turn

Reizo Ryuu said:
He said he likes GoW 2018, he doesn't like the direction of ragnarok and what it means going forward.
He talks about fundamentally changing characters in general, for no other reason than "characters much change!", and how that is a shitty practice
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It's not considered classy
 
I didn't mind Dad of War in 2018, but the game fell short of the originals for me.

Seeing responses on Ragnarok is killing my interest for when it comes to PC. What the hell did they do to my boy?
 
I got where he's coming from and I've felt similarly. I love GoW 18 and Ragnarok, but there's just something about angry Kratos that, imo, is a more interesting and fun character to play.
 
It really comes down to what a game company wants. Money from the masses, or stick to the media's core creation.

After years of angry hack and slashing GOW games which it seemed Kratos would even kill senior citizens in a retirement home if given a chance and then bang any hot nurses in a bedroom, they transformed him into sad dad with a kid to guide. Best decision ever for sales. But a total 180 in terms of original material.

Watching videos, the older games had much better boss fights. There is no way any modern GOW game has fights like Hades.
 
Jaffe going off the deep end sometimes but he is absolutely right here. WTF HAPPENED TO THE WRITERS OF 2018, NO WAY THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO MADE RAGNAROK
 
Old GoW was fun, new GoW is boring. If i wanted to deal with real life issues I wouldn't play games.
Games are supposed to be a way to "escape" real life for a few hours, but Sony is turning them into a second family with characters nagging and relationship problems.
 
Ar¢tos said:
Old GoW was fun, new GoW is boring. If i wanted to deal with real life issues I wouldn't play games.
Games are supposed to be a way to "escape" real life for a few hours, but Sony is turning them into a second family with characters nagging and relationship problems.
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No we need to see that Thor has a drinking problem and is pushing his kids away. :messenger_smirking:
 
Metalman96 said:
I got where he's coming from and I've felt similarly. I love GoW 18 and Ragnarok, but there's just something about angry Kratos that, imo, is a more interesting and fun character to play.
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New Pantheon kills off Atreus for digging into some of their shit. We get a rage filled Kratos but one who has still grown from his days in Greece.

Sets up a new game with plenty of new gods to murder, and makes everyone happy moving forward.
 
New GoW's pacing is atrocious and kills replayability. Boi becomes insufferable later in the game when he is constantly whining that he can fix the massive problems he created.
 
Both are great the franchise would be stale if he didn't evolve as a character but sony need to remake the original trilogy instead of all of these other remakes
 
I think there was a better middle ground, like I think Kratos should have had more clear slips back to his bloodthirsty past, it should have been a whole section of GoW 2018 or better in Ragnarok if the plot was tweaked a little and Atreus was actually taken by Odin, Kratos flying into a rage and unleashing everything would have been incredible.
BUT I get what they are going for, and the Valhalla ending was masterfully written and presented and with his acceptance now of his past he could maybe find a better middle ground.
Still can you imagine GoW3, bashing Poseidons skull or tearing into Titans with PS5 visuals? Ngl I would love a Trilogy remake with all the spectacle intact…
 
Banjo64 said:
At which point end the franchise and create daddy feelings simulator as a separate IP.
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Or reboot it as the same franchise and become highly successful from the looks of things. I mean I get both sides, but in hindsight it looks like they made the right call. A separate IP might have been harder to sell than a reboot of a character you already know.
 
The character became a soy boy. "I must kill, but everything hurts"

Kratos wanted to kill since ever? No. But he didn't cry. He was angrier for that
 
Old God of War had become uninteresting after 3, Ascension was considered a disappointment:

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I personally liked Ascension and I enjoyed the mp mode, but old Kratos was too predictable and the gameplay set pieces had become repetitive, God of War 3 was the apex of that combat system and Ascension was just more of the same.

GoW 2018 revived the series, in my opinion the current combat system is better and current Kratos is more interesting than the old edgy Kratos.

I just wish that Atreus wasn't present all the time... he is annoying and kinda detrimental to the game for me, he talks too much..
 
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I actually really liked 2018, played through it twice almost in a row at different difficulties. I was super excited for Ragnarok, but put like 7-8 hours and I haven't gone back. Gameplay is the same, story is meh. It's sitting in my backlog, but I'm just now excited for a bunch of other games. I'm sure I'll go back, but by God it's story didn't grab me at all.
 
I mean, he's not wrong.

Ragnarok was a step in the wrong direction.

What's funny is that the same happened with Spidey 2, Ratchet and Horizon FW
 
Crispy Gamer said:
Both are great the franchise would be stale if he didn't evolve as a character but sony need to remake the original trilogy instead of all of these other remakes
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I would just settle for a port/remaster of all the old games. I believe they are streamable on PSN, but meh.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Well-timed with the free DLC buzz and 15m+ announcement.

The man knows how to seed engagement gravy, I'll give him that.
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I liked the early games of god of war way more then the newer ones. However a buddy of mine likes the newer ones better over the older ones. It's just your own taste.
 
Yes the demographics that played the gow series now are 30 year old dudes with kids. What.. what if.. we make Kratos to deal with his son and we put a dedicated button for him. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Why do people want every character to have the same personallity? How many anti-heros games do we have compared to the opposite?

Kratos went from a mighty spartan warrior to a wimp that is forced to bend the knee to his son and gets talked down by a toxic feminist lmao. It's garbage and made for weak beta males of todays era.

I mean read up on spartans if you want to know how they were like and what we got instead is woke propaganda bullshit. No need to dance around the bush, it's clear as day.
 
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Skifi28 said:
Or reboot it as the same franchise and become highly successful from the looks of things. I mean I get both sides, but in hindsight it looks like they made the right call. A separate IP might have been harder to sell than a reboot of a character you already know.
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Yeah, of course. Same can be said for companies like Disney choosing to reboot legacy franchises. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull made $800m at the box office, and The Last Jedi $1.3b. That doesn't make them good movies though.

This is currently very profitable for Sony but long term but for me it's always better in the long term to rely on quality over brand recognition.
 
My biggest gripe with the new GOW games is that the epicness has gone for some reason.
Kratos was always gonna have a change of mindset and that's fine and makes sense after GOW3 ending, but the boss fights and shit compared to the older games has become so lackluster feeling. Don't get me wrong the new games have their moments but for me the coolness of the GOW games was the spectical and over-the-topness of the boss fights.
Things have never really felt the same since 2018.
 
I don't think the title of this thread is accurate at all.

I was there during the stream. What he was saying is that he loved GoW 2018, but that continuation of this character just wasn't appealing anymore in Ragnarok. In 2018 the new Kratos was fresh, but after that initial gloss wore off, he didn't really evolve much.
 
Banjo64 said:
The funny thing is Nintendo don't position themselves as making these 'deeper meaning narrative driven games'.

I play Zelda for fun. If I wanted bad writing I'd watch a Netflix original.
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*Slowly steps away from those ardent fanboy lore threads for every Nintendo game, especially Zelda*
 
Banjo64 said:
Yeah, of course. Same can be said for companies like Disney choosing to reboot legacy franchises. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull made $800m at the box office, and The Last Jedi $1.3b. That doesn't make them good movies though.

This is currently very profitable for Sony but long term but for me it's always better in the long term to rely on quality over brand recognition.
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That's a different argument altogether though, I thought we were arguing about old vs new Kratos as a character direction. I don't think the new games as a whole are worse in quality the same way the new star wars movies were. If anything I think they're of much higher quality than the earlier God of war games which were a bit mindless and one-note. We can agree to disagree on that.
 
Why do people keep saying "He's the God of War, he's supposed to be angry blah blah" ? Did ya'll not play the game at all? Kratos has matured and that's because of all of his life experiences. You cannot be the God of War for long if you're just blood thirsty all the time. Kratos is more calculated and does not allow the rage to blind him. That alone makes him stronger than young Kratos. It even goes over this in the Valhalla DLC.
 
Flutta said:
Why do people want every character to have the same personallity? How many anti-heros games do we have compared to the opposite?

Kratos went from a mighty spartan warrior to a wimp that is forced to bend the knee to his son and gets talked down by a toxic feminist lmao. It's garbage and made for weak beta males of todays era.

I mean read up on spartans if you want to know how they were like and what we got instead is woke propaganda bullshit. No need to dance around the bush, it's clear as day.
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These kinds of posts are satire, right?
 
KingT731 said:
So what a lot of yall are telling me is that you like 1 note characters with minimal development.
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It made sense for what the games intended to do, this is what Jaffe is trying to explain but people don't understand and try to compare the characters purely on the writing.

A character being underdeveloped is only a problem when games are actually trying to develop them, through hours of dialogs. Which can make the games boring and tedious for some people.

They took a franchise that wasn't about that, and made it primarily about the story and characters, it wasn't just a pretext anymore.
 
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