sloppyjoe_gamer
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God of War's Creator Thinks That the Character of Kratos Took a Wrong Turn
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And he's sorry for being white too, let's not forget that bullshit either
TheMay30thMan
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Who cares? That’s his problem.
I agree (well with the header at least, haven't watched the video) I vastly prefer the old Kratos, this one is boring as f**k... I prefer the massive, grotesque, over the top, loud god of war vs the calm, politically correct, good nature, safe space new god of wars.
Banjo64
cumsessed
I have 3 children and don’t need Soyny’s Californian b-grade writers to tell me how to feel or act. I feel for any father that has to live vicariously through GoW.
Also, as if you need to have children to relate to this game. There isn’t some profound messaging here. Pure ‘as a mother’ vibes.
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Dragon_Rocks
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Kratos character change in cut-scenes and dialogs has never bothered me because in game-play he is still as brutal and ruthless as always.
Laieon
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MrTroubleMaker
Member
God of War >>>>>>>>> Dad of War
The old games was better
The old games was better
sankt-Antonio
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I loved the 2018 game a lot. Imo the perfect Kratos. In Ragnarok, he's is a side character in his own game I feel. Always understanding of others and telling everyone he meets to "lead the way". He says that at least a hundred times. Just having him do the "hmpf" all the time is not a deep character trait...
Play it for yourself, the games combat loop is what made me stick to it - the characterization of Kratos was a major let down. As has been a lot of the god awful mandatory parts with his son.
Edit. There are also two Kratos at play here, one is a beta cuck in every in game cut scene including the slow talk & walk sections and then there is the actual god of war in the game play portion of the game. Hes so very understanding of your feeling one moment than rips heads off of Trolls just like that. Its a bizarre combination.
A poster above me mentioned it, and it reminder me about that aspect and how it bothered me a lot in Ragnarok.
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semiconscious
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'even a stopped clock...'
i'm with jaffe on this. kratos, or croft, or even, to an extent, nate drake? they're as much cartoon characters as they are 'real' characters, maybe just a step removed from, say, mario (who is, lest we forget, a human plumber), &, no, i don't want to see them 'humanized', or injected with 'feels', or anything other than what they already are. kratos mellowing out, having a son? that ain't 'growth'. that's simply the transformation of a laughably cartoonish killing machine into a kinder, gentler killing machine. it's arguably even dumber & more juvenile than the original take, in that it aspires to something ludicrously out of reach - actual gravitas...
i'm with jaffe on this. kratos, or croft, or even, to an extent, nate drake? they're as much cartoon characters as they are 'real' characters, maybe just a step removed from, say, mario (who is, lest we forget, a human plumber), &, no, i don't want to see them 'humanized', or injected with 'feels', or anything other than what they already are. kratos mellowing out, having a son? that ain't 'growth'. that's simply the transformation of a laughably cartoonish killing machine into a kinder, gentler killing machine. it's arguably even dumber & more juvenile than the original take, in that it aspires to something ludicrously out of reach - actual gravitas...
SirTerry-T
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As a grouchy old bastard myself, I believe "mature storytelling" is the worse trait to be found in modern videogames.
A high score table and the ability to enter three initials should be more than enough for you young 'uns.
A high score table and the ability to enter three initials should be more than enough for you young 'uns.
kiphalfton
Member
Awful progression.
Going from a ruthless killing machine, with the biggest chip on his shoulder, to calm and/or even reasonable.
Nah, I don't think that really makes sense.
Going from a ruthless killing machine, with the biggest chip on his shoulder, to calm and/or even reasonable.
Nah, I don't think that really makes sense.
The artful mincer
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Nah. Old Kratos may be less powerful but would win through discipline, patience and endurance.
OG Kratos would Rage for a couple of minutes, cry and then piss himself.
Danjin44
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Ummmm....he was dad in his pervious game....his entire quest for revenge for that very reason.
kiphalfton
Member
Yeah... Other than Kratos was already a dad and a husband when shit hit the fan.
violence
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Ummmm....he was dad in his pervious game....his entire quest for revenge for that very reason.
Oh, right never mind.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Yeah, he was always "dad of war" lol, it was his entire driving force.
StealthGoblin
Banned
I vastly prefer older Kratos. If he was the same character now as the early 2000s then that would be full. GOW III was the final time they could have pulled that and got away with it. Ascension proved it had gotten tired.
GermanZepp
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The boi is lame. Is ok to give kratos more things to say, but from the infinite amount of things they could do with the franchise, they went down the dad/son issues road trying to grasp some TLOU vibe. I dont know man.
TerribleAtThisGame
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Dad of War feels like Cory Barlog saw one too many "war vet and son who can't connect" Hallmark movies and thought that was what maturity in writing looks like. The fact he used that corny shit on this character is even sillier.
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StreetsofBeige
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Sony hit a homerun with LOU 1 with the father/daughter vibe, so they kept it going to satisfy gamers who want one part action, one part HBO drama.
Just a matter of time Horizon, Ghosts of Tsushima, Spiderman etc... get their 12 year old sidekick where adult and child teach each other the meaning of life.
TerribleAtThisGame
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Please. I have two kids. I play games to not hear high-pitched whining for a few hours.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Perfectly said. Ragnarok turned him into ratchet 2016/rift apart
MasterDerico
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Is he two different people?
Mibu no ookami
Banned
You're far too kind... he isn't even a second-rate Youtuber. He's like 19th-rate...
tomato shrub
Member
The old games weren't ashamed of what they were, edgy action games. The story was easily ignorable.
GoW2018 was hamfisted, Ragnarok is pure cringe. Yet you can't skip any of it, if you just want to get to the action. Oh look, Kratos cries now, oh there's a dying dog, it's so deep! ...except not really. That's the cheapest trick in the book if you're incapable of telling a meaningful story. Tearjerkers like that are on the same level as jumpscares in horror media. On top of that you've got hardcore prudism and cliche Disney characters (if even that, more like mid Netflix-tier). Meaningless babble about "oh no, war is bad???" but gameplay is still the same endless hack'n'slaying, lol, so pretentious and bad.
GoW2018 was hamfisted, Ragnarok is pure cringe. Yet you can't skip any of it, if you just want to get to the action. Oh look, Kratos cries now, oh there's a dying dog, it's so deep! ...except not really. That's the cheapest trick in the book if you're incapable of telling a meaningful story. Tearjerkers like that are on the same level as jumpscares in horror media. On top of that you've got hardcore prudism and cliche Disney characters (if even that, more like mid Netflix-tier). Meaningless babble about "oh no, war is bad???" but gameplay is still the same endless hack'n'slaying, lol, so pretentious and bad.
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NonPhixion
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I saw he had a video with Adam Sessler as well. Did these two drugged out losers start a podcast?
StreetsofBeige
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Every marketing manager will tell you if you want customers caring and being sympathetic or feeling good about themselves to try to add in kids or pets into the tv ad or packaging. Not sensible for all promotions, but if it makes sense to add a baby, it's like hitting a home run.
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Klosshufvud
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I agree that the writers and directors make a play for very manipulative way of instilling an emotional reaction. It's just empty. Safe, sanitized, inoffensive and most likely focus tested to hell and beyond. Eventually comes across as cynical and condescending of its players.
I am reminded of JRPGs of old when a simple text bubble and melodic tune was enough to hit you in the guts. Now they spend $100m to say less. Just an extension of the same crap that's on Netflix and cinemas.
Bond007
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Yep and that was a story of revenge after losing it all so brutally.Ummmm....he was dad in his pervious game....his entire quest for revenge for that very reason.
The current games are more about preservation of his child after his past experiences.
TGO
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The new Kratos could do with being less of a little bitch.
It's definitely not the route I would have went with the Story.
While I would have kept the more claim and under the radar Kratos like in 2018 GOW, the moment he got his Blades of Chaos the shit should have hit the fan with Kratos having his take no shit attitude.
It's definitely not the route I would have went with the Story.
While I would have kept the more claim and under the radar Kratos like in 2018 GOW, the moment he got his Blades of Chaos the shit should have hit the fan with Kratos having his take no shit attitude.
DeepEnigma
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The line in TLoU TV show said by Bill to Frank when they were tasting the strawberries is kind of a similar character development...
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Did you miss the "or" in the "or have a child"? You're acting as if no other medium has ever made content where the "dad" is the central character and we are experiencing life through his actions. It's not unusual. It's worked fine in every other work of art. Why not games?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GOW:R sold 15 million copies in one year.
Both are great. How about that?
GOW:R sold 15 million copies in one year. And won awards. Maybe you are just out of touch.
Empty to you. Good to the majority of people that played it.
Fake
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He just answer the reply dude. Stop moving the goal.
Kratos was a dad before 2018. People love to act like a God of War fan, but in fact they never like those first ones and try to ignore when come to arguments.
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Dragon_Rocks
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Ummmm....he was dad in his pervious game....his entire quest for revenge for that very reason.
Not actually. He wanted to get rid of his nightmares and for that he made a deal with Gods. He was not trying to take revenge and kill Ares as a primary objective for what Ares tricked him to do. Crossing paths with Ares happened to be one of the tasks that he was given by the Gods. In the later games his motive for revenge against Gods was that they turned against him after he was being just as bad a God of War as Ares was.
Banjo64
cumsessed
No.
I’m sure there are. I’m sure some of them do it very well. I’m sure there are really profound original stories focussing on the role of the father. God of War isn’t one though.
sloppyjoe_gamer
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The best part is, i don't even remember ever interacting with this coke head loser on Twitter
Bond007
Member
I have no idea what you are talking about.
I am very well aware of the story. Slow down alittle pal
OmegaSupreme
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bitbydeath
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People are saying it’s character development, it’s not.
Kratos was always a Dad of War, everything kicked off after he got tricked into killing his first family. They kept him tethered. It was hinted at his desire for family again in God of War 3 when he met Pandora.
That was the moment he actually softened up, and not 2018, but he still had a mission to do. When his mission was over he would have used that moment to get that feeling back by starting a new family.
But here’s the thing, Kratos is immortal, he’s said to be intentionally making his body look older for the sake of Loki. Loki isn’t immortal, eventually Kratos will lose him and when he does he will seek revenge and can revert back to his old look or another of his choosing if he pleases.
Kratos was always a Dad of War, everything kicked off after he got tricked into killing his first family. They kept him tethered. It was hinted at his desire for family again in God of War 3 when he met Pandora.
That was the moment he actually softened up, and not 2018, but he still had a mission to do. When his mission was over he would have used that moment to get that feeling back by starting a new family.
But here’s the thing, Kratos is immortal, he’s said to be intentionally making his body look older for the sake of Loki. Loki isn’t immortal, eventually Kratos will lose him and when he does he will seek revenge and can revert back to his old look or another of his choosing if he pleases.