TheChewyWaffles
Member
Godzilla > Pacific Rim
Godzilla was still subpar. Pacific Rim was awful.
Godzilla was still subpar. Pacific Rim was awful.
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Godzilla |OT| Legendary
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chickdigger802
Banned
ok more like the 2nd one. Final wars is pretty much dark of the moon lol.
they appreciate godzilla for a bit, then mankind gets arrogant. we built mechagodzilla we don't need balance or anything.
angry military general, war, explosions, general dies at the end, godzilla goes back to the sea,
credits.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Discotheque
Banned
jurassic world is our last and only hope. spielberg should ghost-direct it like poltergeist.
jurassic park was the last truly enjoyable monster movie anyways.
brandonh83
Banned
Trevorrow's got that shit, you just watch.
Discotheque
Banned
this movie's better than pacific rim. i don't hate godzilla. but i don't really care about it that much either. it was decent.
ryutaro's mama
Member
What purpose did it serve for Elizabeth Olsen not to
have gotten on the bus with her son?
She had zero value out there.
And what about "asshole family" in Hawaii? Run from the tsunami, run inside the building with my daughter and then CLOSES THE FUCKING DOOR, letting all those other families die.
She had zero value out there.
And what about "asshole family" in Hawaii? Run from the tsunami, run inside the building with my daughter and then CLOSES THE FUCKING DOOR, letting all those other families die.
friskykillface
Banned
Godzillia walks into his underwater home and Nick Fury is on the couch
"you think you are the only one" boom
double villains , while Mothra is hatching/in beginning stages, its mecha vs regular, then Mothra kills mecha and the humans need to depend on the god to save us again
there's the sequel
Yeah, it definitely wasn't perfect. It was exactly what I was hoping it would be though. I just wonder if the people who are saying that there wasn't enough action have ever actually seen a Godzilla movie before.
The weekend isn't even over yet, lol.
Come on it wasn't that bad.
And can we please leave Pacific Rim out of this?
Mushroomer25
Member
Yeah, what an asshole
not leaving the door open for the tsunami to rush in and kill absolutely everyone. But frankly, the glass on the hotel should've shattered the moment water stacked up against it.
tiny raptor
Member
Just because previous films (although this is a Western-made Godzilla, not Japanese) had a flaw does not excuse future films from having the same one. Now whether the sparsity of action was a flaw or not is up for debate. Personally I think it was. It could've used the
fight at the airport. It had an insane buildup to it then CUTAWAY TO KID WATCHING IT ON TV FOR A FEW SECONDS LAWL
I think they didn't do it for budgeting reasons.
I'm not reading anything unless it's a direct quote on me: is it that good guys? I need the assurance of real nerds and not paycheck corporate journalist wanna be nerds.
So please some one quote me with a big ass YES or NO so I know I can buy my IMAX 3D ticket with a semi loaded and waiting.
So please some one quote me with a big ass YES or NO so I know I can buy my IMAX 3D ticket with a semi loaded and waiting.
I liked it, but I'd tend to agree with the criticism that there wasn't enough Godzilla. It's not that I minded how they teased his presence, that was well done. But I would've added another ~10 minutes of G in full action. The MUTOs end up getting more real screen time than Godzilla does. An extended cut that lets you see how the Honolulu airport fight plays out in full glory rather than just via CNN clips would be nice, for example.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
In 2014 there's almost no difference between the two.
Either take a chance or don't. It's just a movie about a giant atomic lizard either way.
It's not a flaw if it's just a staple of the franchise. I'd argue that all of the good Godzilla movies aren't actually about Godzilla or the action at all. The best movie in the franchise has the least amount of on-screen Godzilla, he fights no other monsters, and there's very little action. I agree that they should have
shown a bit more of the Hawaii battle before cutting away. That or either make it a quick thing where Godzilla one-shots the MUTO a-la how he wrecks Gigan in Final Wars
The Driver
Member
I think it's mainly because of how fucking huge he is. It wouldn't look right if he was running or doing anything overtly "man in suit-ish". Someone else pointed it out but he's basically a bear with a tail and him moving so slowly shows his true mass and the power he has.
I think they really could have had the best of both worlds had they
kept Cranston alive, especially for the sequels.
His son is necessary as he makes a lot more sense to be at ground level with these monsters but lets face it, his dad is the one that knew them from a scientific standpoint.
Joe would be the connection from Brody to the higher brass who head the decisions on handling these situations because at the end of the day, Ford ain't gonna be making any discoveries about kaiju echolocation or some shit. Dude just defuses bombs. I think this was somewhat of a fairly large misstep really from a story pov. That's even disregarding all these, "wtf why u kill Mr. White" posts. They really should have kept him alive. Oh well.
His son is necessary as he makes a lot more sense to be at ground level with these monsters but lets face it, his dad is the one that knew them from a scientific standpoint.
Joe would be the connection from Brody to the higher brass who head the decisions on handling these situations because at the end of the day, Ford ain't gonna be making any discoveries about kaiju echolocation or some shit. Dude just defuses bombs. I think this was somewhat of a fairly large misstep really from a story pov. That's even disregarding all these, "wtf why u kill Mr. White" posts. They really should have kept him alive. Oh well.
another bomb to defuse
It's my childhood is what is is mister. It cannot be taken so lightly.
Honestly, if you're a childhood Godzilla fan you'll find something to like about the movie. The first time Godzilla appears on screen I had a pretty big happy grin on my face.
HalfBakedProphet
Member
they do the character justice. Its just a fucking movie, go watch it
Totally solid. Clear plot, decent scope, and structurally tight. Just didn't transcend into "greatness" territory.
It was like totally well formulated..but missing something. First act was the best...mostly because of Cranston and the cool Japanese conspiracy vibe.
Also, Godzilla needs a redesign if there's a sequel. It doesn't have to be a full-on redesign...but as it stands...he looks like a durr bear. Chubby, kind of spaced out...but loyal and strong. Not scary. Every time they revealed his face, the audience would snicker, and a couple girls kept saying "awe". It was annoying, but I agree with them. He's cute.
It was like totally well formulated..but missing something. First act was the best...mostly because of Cranston and the cool Japanese conspiracy vibe.
Also, Godzilla needs a redesign if there's a sequel. It doesn't have to be a full-on redesign...but as it stands...he looks like a durr bear. Chubby, kind of spaced out...but loyal and strong. Not scary. Every time they revealed his face, the audience would snicker, and a couple girls kept saying "awe". It was annoying, but I agree with them. He's cute.
obin_gam
Member
My childhood was also made up of Godzilla.
Watch this movie.
You will not be disappointed.
tiny raptor
Member
I completely disagree. A franchise can have staples that are flaws y'know. The Star Wars prequels had some pretty groan-worthy writing, is that a flawless staple? (edit: well I guess that's not really a staple, more of a goof, but you get my point)
Talking about the original Godzilla right? In that it worked. It's all about whether it works or not. Like I said, in 2014, there's a huge buildup to a fight that...we don't get to see because they don't show it.
Regarding Cranston's character:
What is this I don't even. How about this as a more appropriate Star Wars comparison - Why would you show Luke blowing up the Death Star 60 minutes into the movie?
He really would have had no purpose to serve had he not died. His entire point was to prove that he wasn't crazy and that something destroyed that reactor / killed his wife. After passing on the knowledge of the echo location stuff his character had literally nothing else to contribute to the plot that Watanabe's character couldn't have done.
What is this I don't even. How about this as a more appropriate Star Wars comparison - Why would you show Luke blowing up the Death Star 60 minutes into the movie?
Deified Data
Banned
So basically all the complaints being leveled against this movie could also be leveled against the 1954 movie, which most people issuing the complaints would probably say is a classic. Alright.
Hellsing321
Member
Just go done seeing it and it was just ok. The parts when Godzilla are in it are breathtaking and worth seeing, but then you just have these long stretches with boring characters doing dumb things. Bryan Cranston's part was cut far too short, and the pacing felt languid. I wouldn't have minded that if they managed to make the human drama compelling or not have them act like idiots. All in all its much better than GINO but I expected more.
True, but we just like him moar though. =(
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
They haven't fucked up the Godzilla character, so yes.
Watch it.
I already know I'm going to go see it again, grew up watching Godzilla movies and I would never have dreamed that a Hollywood movie would just nail Godzilla so well.
What I think about the complaint about the
is that I don't think people understand what the build up was to.
airport fight cutaway
It wasn't building up to a fight. It was building up to the reveal of these two finally meeting eachother. We already knew what was going to happen. They had a big, cool, fun setpiece scene that built up to Godzilla and the Muto finally meeting. It doesn't matter so much that they didn't fight, because we already knew they were going to. The payoff was finally seeing Godzilla in full, and finally seeing him meet the Muto. Having a fight scene there would have just made the movie drag on too much.
wtf am i reading here.. ....no sir - you are very wrong.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Uh... More like WTF is wrong with you.
We're supposed to idolize the King of Monsters, that is the WHOLE point of the movie. Mankind is not in control of nature, we're simply at its mercy.
That was a true Godzilla movie and you will fucking like it.
Stormtrooper30
Member
Enjoyed the movie, not Pacific Rim level of good but enjoyable nonetheless. I have no idea why the main character, an EOD expert, never disarmed a bomb though.
Agreed, he's a better actor. It's just that if he stayed alive, we would have had two scientists standing around not entirely sure of what to do instead of just one.
For the record, I liked Serizawa in this movie. He was clearly smart enough to understand what was going on and that the military was going to completely fuck things up. But at the same time, after the MUTO breaks free he has this look on his face like he's still overwhelmed and can't think of a great plan on his own. I liked it, it made him feel a bit believable.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Sure it can. It's just your childhood. You left it behind decades ago. Willingly, I'd imagine. Most do.
Just came back from a late night showing. I enjoyed seeing Godzilla on film and felt they did a great job with the character this time around vs the last US film. The fighting was great and there were lots of homages which I felt were enjoyable as a Godzilla fan.
That said other than seeing Godzilla on film, the rest of the film wasn't very enjoyable. There was no one likable in this film outside of "Godzilla's hype man", simply because he was Godzilla's hype man.
And all the "teasing" through out the film with the monster fights without really showing the confrontations until the end was annoying. It definitely would have helped the film if they had shown more of these fights and less people running away.
That said other than seeing Godzilla on film, the rest of the film wasn't very enjoyable. There was no one likable in this film outside of "Godzilla's hype man", simply because he was Godzilla's hype man.
And all the "teasing" through out the film with the monster fights without really showing the confrontations until the end was annoying. It definitely would have helped the film if they had shown more of these fights and less people running away.
tiny raptor
Member
You know what I mean. Just because something's been a part of a franchise for a long time, doesn't mean it can't be a flaw.
Though it seems in this case, you agree it didn't work (I saw the edit).
Edit: Also your SW comparison isn't apt, because I wasn't talking about Godzilla winning the fight outright.
My friend actually pinned down his general malaise towards the film in a way I sort of agree with. The trailers, particularly that first one, had this grim dark vibe that was really sort of scary and intense. They all had a palpable sense of dread. In the film itself, things are a bit more heartfelt. Godzilla's not really all that scary, nor is the tone ever overly dark. The 1954 film definitely has more disturbing imagery than the reboot (for the poster who said the same complaints can be leveled against both films).
It's almost like I went in expecting a Nolanish Godzilla film, and came out with something more similar to a Spielberg Godzilla film. Don't take that analogy too far...as I think both of those filmmakers would have made a better film in their own way...but I definitely do think the expectations game might hurt the experience for some of the more hardcore film fans you might find on places like NeoGAF. It's not that what Gareth Edwards did was any better or worse than what I was expecting (like I said, it's a very tight, emotional, well executed film)...it was just... not quite what I was expecting in terms of tone.
It's almost like I went in expecting a Nolanish Godzilla film, and came out with something more similar to a Spielberg Godzilla film. Don't take that analogy too far...as I think both of those filmmakers would have made a better film in their own way...but I definitely do think the expectations game might hurt the experience for some of the more hardcore film fans you might find on places like NeoGAF. It's not that what Gareth Edwards did was any better or worse than what I was expecting (like I said, it's a very tight, emotional, well executed film)...it was just... not quite what I was expecting in terms of tone.
Deified Data
Banned
The whole theater, huh.
I agreed that they should have shown a little more of it. But showing the entire fight would have ruined it, because then you've played your trump card. The whole movie is effectively a slow build up to
Godzilla wrecking the MUTOs
or show a scene that clearly establishes Godzilla's dominance
You're also confusing actual flaws with your own personal tastes. Obi-Wan preaching patience to Anakin Skywalker and then impulsively jumping out of a window without a second thought is bad writing and a flaw. A Godzilla movie not focusing on monster fights and focusing on humans is a design choice you simply didn't like.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
The tsunami was a second away. What's he supposed to do? Hold the door open and let all the water come rushing in?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's always the whole theater.
It's never just the guy posting, or a couple other people in a nearby aisle.
It's always EVERYONE laughed out loud or EVERYONE started booing or EVERYONE started talking back to the screen or EVERYONE jumped out of their seats and launched into thunderous applause or EVERYONE filed out single-file, solemnly, as if leaving a funeral.
to the "It's part of what makes Godzilla Godzilla" argument here in the thread: You remake/reboot things because you think you can either take them in a different direction, or improve on them. "That's how ALL the movies are" isn't a great rebuttal to an honest criticism of the filmmaking/storytelling. Just because 30 other movies shared the same errors in judgment doesn't mean it's still not an error in judgment. Part of the reason Casino Royale is so well liked, for example, is because they DIDN'T make the same decisions the preceding movies made, and those variations made an impact on the audience.
Edwards had an opportunity to fix some of the bigger problems with the series when it comes to characterization - and a lot of people feel he didn't do that. That's a perfectly fair criticism to level at the film.