haZethew0rld
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I didn't enjoy it as much as most of you guys, best part of the movie imo are the last 15-20 mins, then it just ends. 6/10
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Godzilla |OT| Legendary
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If it/she/he can be both, why insisting on being male? My quote was about Godzilla being a punishment/ a wreath of nature we deserve. There is nothing incorrect about it. Some of you just mixed it up with the gender discussion, some of you started.
Referring to both and one lost movie, Volcano monsters. Meanwhile, there is still no hint that Godzilla is male, therefore it is fair to assume a female.
Shouta
Member
It's a reference to the original film. Also, Godzilla can be roughly approximated to Gojira in Japanese to the untrained ear and all that jazz.
My biggest complaint is the slight inconsistent with the EMP situation in the film. That's kind of minor though, I just found it funny.
TheVampire
Banned
If a missile managed to get inside Godzilla's mouth by pure luck when he had it open from roaring would that kill him?
Shouta
Member
In this film or just in general?
Why would a creature develop a power like that when it was from a time with no electricity?
So are you ok with people assuming it's a male?
Jack Scofield
Member
Holy crap, this film was so bad. There were so many problems I had with it. All the cool parts of the trailer were changed for the worse in the final film. The HALO jump and Godzilla roaring when the doors closed just looked absurd when it's him awkwardly fighting some monsters.
And I get that they were trying to stay faithful to the original film by having Godzilla be a good guy or whatever, but don't try to have your movie be super serious half the time by showing the human element and loss of life from these monsters, and then two seconds later make a light-humored joke. I hope the people bitching about Superman destroying Metropolis in Man of steel are complaining about this movie, too. Also, I could practically hear the fanboys creaming their pants when Godzilla used his atomic breath.
I haven't wanted to walk out of a movie this badly since Battle: Los Angles. Godzilla now joins the ranks of Tron, Cloverfield, and Watchmen: movies with bad ass trailers that were better than the final film. I don't want to rant any longer. This movie sucked.
And I get that they were trying to stay faithful to the original film by having Godzilla be a good guy or whatever, but don't try to have your movie be super serious half the time by showing the human element and loss of life from these monsters, and then two seconds later make a light-humored joke. I hope the people bitching about Superman destroying Metropolis in Man of steel are complaining about this movie, too. Also, I could practically hear the fanboys creaming their pants when Godzilla used his atomic breath.
I haven't wanted to walk out of a movie this badly since Battle: Los Angles. Godzilla now joins the ranks of Tron, Cloverfield, and Watchmen: movies with bad ass trailers that were better than the final film. I don't want to rant any longer. This movie sucked.
Yeah the whole EMP business was definitely a fridge thing for me. A lot of the internal logic doesn't add up.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
I don't think evolution works that way. You can't just develop an ability because you have a need for it. Perhaps their EMP thing happens to be a side effect of their physiology.
Shouta
Member
That's not my issue with it. That was fine. It's the other stuff throughout the movie.
He's not a good guy in the original, fyi. Neutral force, possibly bad guy in the films this was modeled after.
I don't really have an issue with it, it just seemed like a weird thing for an ancient creature to have. It's kind of hard to explain why a millennia year old monster would have such capabilities, but it is also kind of hard to explain Godzilla. And even more hard to explain basically every power in the Toho movies. Maybe there is something special that allows all these creatures to harness and shoot lightning.
Feel free to assume godzilla is a female but for purposes of argument please also remember that the overwhelming majority of evidence shows godzilla being referred to as it or he.
1st watch on Friday night - was disappointed because the middle is so dull, too much military and people talking. Beginning and end were quite good. Loved the actual Godzilla footage, when it was being shown.
2nd watch Saturday afternoon - bigger theater/screen and better audience which reacted to the mildly funny scenes and had "oh yeah's" for the awesome things Godzilla did. I left the 2nd viewing liking the film more. I think the film will hold up over time, it's a well produced and written film, for Godzilla at least. Cranston was so awesome, I wish he was in it more. His son, kind of a dull actor.
actually, the Ford Brody and Sarizawa characters had remarkably suppressed personalities. Not saying they were bad but not a lot of emoting or life in them. Especially compared to crazy ole papa Brody.
7.5/10
2nd watch Saturday afternoon - bigger theater/screen and better audience which reacted to the mildly funny scenes and had "oh yeah's" for the awesome things Godzilla did. I left the 2nd viewing liking the film more. I think the film will hold up over time, it's a well produced and written film, for Godzilla at least. Cranston was so awesome, I wish he was in it more. His son, kind of a dull actor.
actually, the Ford Brody and Sarizawa characters had remarkably suppressed personalities. Not saying they were bad but not a lot of emoting or life in them. Especially compared to crazy ole papa Brody.
7.5/10
HalfBakedProphet
Member
I was so worried about how they handled Godzilla the first time, I missed a lot of little things.
I enjoyed this more on second viewing. Take that as you will. I had a better understanding of what Edwards was going for aftet seeing it twice. I don't think he totally succeeded, but I get the destination he was aiming for.
I enjoyed this more on second viewing. Take that as you will. I had a better understanding of what Edwards was going for aftet seeing it twice. I don't think he totally succeeded, but I get the destination he was aiming for.
*bro fist*
Shouta
Member
How do you get a creatue of that size period would be a mystery to me, lol. The EMP stuff is mostly minor inconsistencies about what they could do in the film. A few times it breaks the internal logic/stuff shown. That's about my only complaint but it's honestly still really minor and many movies get away with way worse stuff.
Serizawa and Ford were definitely meant to be that, I think. Early in the film, I thought Ford was a lot more emotional, especially when faced with his Dad but he kind of resolved as it all started to go nuts and he realized he was wrong all these years. Serizawa wasn't there much other than to point it all out. He's a different character than the one he's paying homage too and seems to represent something else so it's kind of hard to get a gauge of what he's really supposed to be doing. I have a few ideas but that I need to stew on.
It's like the director told him to only have a perplexed expression for the entire film.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Seen it yesterday, very disappointed. I could rant for ages if I wanted to but ultimately it's biggest problem is pacing, and that after the first 45 mins it's just an utter slog.
It also says alot that people were laughing at a number of moments during the film as well =/
It also says alot that people were laughing at a number of moments during the film as well =/
Soyongdori
Member
People at theater definitely laughed at the part where
ken watanabe dramatically says gojira when they explain it to Heisenberg's son.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Yeah, that got a big laugh xD
It really depends on the audience you saw it with. At my showing people cheered and laughed and clapped at all the moments the film intended them too. But I wouldn't rely on an audiences reaction to validate or invalidate my opinion of a film.
AHA-Lambda
Member
It wasn't an American audience
yes, that is true I guess, my opinion still stands nevertheless
HalfBakedProphet
Member
I think the point where
I love the movie though, even with its faults.
Ford and Joe go into the forbidden zone, the audience is supposed to shift Joe's motivations to understand why his wife died (Ford's mother) into Ford, the son. They don't succeed, but I think that's what's supposed to happen. The movie would have been better if Cranston stuck around for sure
I love the movie though, even with its faults.
Really? I always thought they were the only ones who did that lolIt wasn't an American audience
AHA-Lambda
Member
my audience laughed, I admit I did too.
I am a massive fan of Robin and even still I say how dare you say that about Anguirus.
He'd be Godzilla's Eddie Brock if anything.
Like I said earlier, the most likely scenario is that Godzilla was never a properly written creature. Anything goes. It is just funny that referring to Godzilla as female is stirring shit up.
Once again, anything goes. You could have referred to Godzilla as it. You insisted on Godzilla being a male. Feel free to do so. I just say it and she are the most likely. Besides anything goes.
Minor appearance of idiot plot. There is no logical reason.
AHA-Lambda
Member
XD
Oh no, I have a lot of problems with this film but that wasn't one of them.
This meme about MoS makes no sense to me.
Jack Scofield
Member
I like how the dude takes out binoculars to spot that ginormous monster that's directly in front of him. I especially liked how he had to pan around real quick before he spotted the monster, as if it were possible to miss.
John Rabbit
Banned
movie managed to hit all the points of a "Godzilla" movie without having any of the actual reasons you go to see a Godzilla movie. i really enjoyed the part where i saw a big monster fight for 10 seconds on a 24" flat screen TV, interspersed with Elizabeth Olsen looking like she'd taken four too many ambien and her slack-jawed son.
i don't think a human being made this film. it's mechanical, heartless and completely misses the point of a monster film, much less a Godzilla film.
i don't think a human being made this film. it's mechanical, heartless and completely misses the point of a monster film, much less a Godzilla film.
I think the idea of godzilla as a female is interesting in that Godzilla would literally be mother nature incarnate, at least from the point of view of this new film. I don't know why you feel this is "stirring up shit". This is a discussion board, as far as I can tell no one is angry here. But as far as what I insist, I do insist that all the evidence points to godzilla being either it or he and rarely if ever she.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Yeah, another moment where a lot of people started laughing when i saw it, teh film was unintentionally funny in alot of places =/
Oh come on. Gareth Edwards is a lot of things but mechanical is not one of them. I think this movie shows the passion he has for Godzilla greatly. Whether that turned into a good movie is obviously something for debate, but this is ridiculous.
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Anguirus is Godzilla's best buddy. Sure they fought in their first clash but then they become fire forged friends. And sure Anguirus technically never wins in most of its fights, but he still rocks.
He just wants Godzilla-sempai to notice his progress.
Other weird things in the movie: Ford seemed to care way more about the lost Japanese kid on the train than his own son.
Why did the US Navy take over an operation on Japanese soil in 2014?
What if there were no floppy drives left in Japan?
Kick Ass was way miscast. In traditional Godzilla movie fashion, he didn't have a ton to work with, but he was SO wooden. Movie would have been a lot more enjoyable with someone who could emote.
Why did the US Navy take over an operation on Japanese soil in 2014?
What if there were no floppy drives left in Japan?
Kick Ass was way miscast. In traditional Godzilla movie fashion, he didn't have a ton to work with, but he was SO wooden. Movie would have been a lot more enjoyable with someone who could emote.
What do you think is the point of a monster film or godzilla film? Because this movie hit all the beats a good monster or godzilla film tries to hit. Even if you think it's a bad movie, the classic monster/godzilla stuff is all there. And again even if you think it's a bad movie, it's hard to deny the reverence the director treats godzilla with.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Unfortunately, Godzilla the Series will still be the ultimate standard for monster on monster action.
The irony of it all.
The irony of it all.
DarkJediKnight
Member
The movie didn't make it clear if his father survived. The music in that scene, the way he spoke; It alludes to his father dying in 1945 - when the watch stopped.
Therefore, the Watanabe character had to be born before 1945.
AHA-Lambda
Member
I thought this too xD
I could just imagine someone shouting after, "damn it, has anyone got a floppy disk drive?!"
No it didn't. It alluded to the fact that his dad was in Japan in 1945, but obviously must have lived because there was no way that Serizawa could be that old. That scene was just to show that Serizawa, through his father, had a personal connection to nuclear bombs. If you thought it was trying to imply that he was 70 years old, I don't know where else this conversation can go. I'm sure it was also supposed to somehow (even if it doesn't make much sense) tie into the EMP capabilities of the MUTOs.
Look at the character in the movie. He is Japanese, and of an age where his parents would have lived through the atomic bombings. He knows that the nuclear bomb tests of the 1950s were actually a cover up to try to kill Godzilla. He knows it didn't work and in fact made the monster stronger. He knows that the MUTOs feed on nuclear energy. It makes sense that a guy like that would be really, really against nuclear bombs being dropped under any circumstances.
Fuck, the idea of dropping nukes on the MUTOs makes no sense at all since they FEED on them. Considering they straight up eat nuclear bombs for sustenance, it seems like dropping a massive nuclear bomb in the same area as them would only make them stronger.
Is it that hard to imagine that Brody Sr kept one at home? No, it isn't.
Of course the father hasn't died during gibt the drop... just watch Barefoot Gen to see why living through it was that much more devastating to Serizawa.
The Librarian
Banned
Or they could be born externally then burrow into prehistoric beasts. Either way, it doesn't really matter. And those claws look obviously very sharp they were able to cut cable!
Dude, it's obvious that the female grew on the nuclear waste just like the Male MUTO. Just because you don't see doesn't mean you can't extrapolate. Also, the male MUTO didn't grow, he hatched. Same for the girl I would guess.
As for the heart thing...it's not even clear in this if Godzilla does have a heart. And if he doesn't...it's Godzilla.
Dude, it's obvious that the female grew on the nuclear waste just like the Male MUTO. Just because you don't see doesn't mean you can't extrapolate. Also, the male MUTO didn't grow, he hatched. Same for the girl I would guess.
As for the heart thing...it's not even clear in this if Godzilla does have a heart. And if he doesn't...it's Godzilla.
I think you're trying to find problems that aren't there.
The city was pretty much evacuated. He probably didn't step on anyone.
Because he left and didn't cause any more harm. Even if you're talking about the period before he goes into the sea and when he wakes up...that doesn't make much sense, yeah. I dunno, I wasn't bothered by it. As a Godzilla fan, it was a nice, cheesy homage.
Godzilla displayed no outward hostility towards humanity. It makes sense they'd sail alongside him. But I can definitely see your point. I didn't find it too bothersome as a huge Godzilla fan. It's another cool, cheesy moment. They're buddies!
As for everyone else, they all acted rationally, especially one the second viewing. The kids acted like kids, the wife had a job to do, and the civilians were appropriately terrified. A lot of people died.
As for everyone else, they all acted rationally, especially one the second viewing. The kids acted like kids, the wife had a job to do, and the civilians were appropriately terrified. A lot of people died.
There was foreshadowing once.
When Ford goes to blow the eggs. There's the head of a dragon...
I'm not going to go through this entire list, because I really don't have the time, but some of this stuff is answered in the movie.cons:
I will not mention every tiny detail that I didn't like, that would be just way too much stuff, so things like slow deadly smoke, shining a flashlight into muto's eye in an attempt NOT to attract attention, floating tanks and kamikaze helicopters, I will skip those.
- "Yo, I need to get my 15 year old disks which have been laying on my desk for all this time, 'cause they are totally not broken!"
- "hmmm, we have caught a couple of interlopers. Where shall we take them ? Outside the zone and then to jail like last time ? Oh I know, let's take them to our secret facility. GREAT IDEA !"
- "This is Spartan 1, we are proceeding in an extremely tight formation towards the targets, holding hands to make sure we are not more than a meter away so we all get insta-gibed with a single stomp. Over."
- "Sir, we are deploying troops all over the place. Shouldn't we say the people to evacuate?" "And ruin their vacation! Hell no !" "And are you sure it is a good idea to deploy light infantry with SMGs on roofs ?" "In this movie, yes."
- "This is *instert military jet callsign here* I have taken an EMP hit. I will now proceed to fall like a rock. Over." This has probably pissed me off the most, obviously the writer has NO idea what EMP does, like at all. I especially enjoyed the fact that all the electronics suddenly worked when the mutos died, lol.
- Now, enter admiral with unlimited authority surpassing that of JCS and the president. "I am an insane admiral and I order nukes ! NUKES EVERYWHERE ! WOHOOO!!"
- "Hey Jimmy, we are looking for a radioactive biological entity that we left here a couple of years ago. Can you tell me where it is ?" "Um, I must have lost the list. Why won't you just go from one door to the next and look." "Ok." Meanwhile, muto they are looking for is rampaging Las Vegas. "Um, sir, I have found a hole...."
- Another scene with the insane admiral "I got an idea. Let's put fully assembled nuclear weapons on trains'n'stuff because that is totally safe and a proper way to transport nuclear weapons, oh yeah!" Seriously, I have never seen such disrespect for nuclear safety, EVER. "Hey, Johnny. Mind if I fiddle with a nuclear warhead while the train is moving." "Sure, go right ahead."
- another insane admiral moment "I got an idea. Let's use our great battle formation called "mob" and make it so the Gojira can't possibly avoid bumping into one of our ships so we finally have an excuse to shoot it. Oh yeah !"
- EMP bubble moment, lulz. "We can't use electronics in the bubble so you will proceed with a HALO jump." They jump down and 1st thing they do is use their flashlights and computer that says "Nukes 'dis way, lol."
And a couple of others, but these are the ones that made the writer look dumb as rock.
Overall 7/10. I enjoyed it
In Japan at least, it wasn't the US Navy, it was NATO.
It isn't. There SHOULD be one left in his house, considering all of his work was saved on floppies from 15 years ago. It would make zero sense if there wasn't an external floppy drive in the house or an internal floppy drive in a PC in the home. But what if it didn't work anymore and no one had one laying around? Would they have to order one on Amazon.JP? And what if the floppies themselves couldn't be read anymore? It's a sarcastic question. But I haven't seen a computer in a decade or more that has a built in drive in.
I'm saddened that there will likely never be another man in a suit Godzilla movie. Even if Toho makes another movie directly, I have no doubt it would also be at least mostly CGI. I HOPE they do make another one directly. Despite all the issues I had with this movie, it was the same issues I have with most Godzilla movies, and I enjoy most Godzilla movies. I liked this movie. I liked the 1998 movie. But neither have the charm of the Toho movies, even if they were superior from a technical stand point. Godzilla and the fights in this movie were FUCKING DOPE. No doubt. I loved what we saw of the fights. I loved that Godzilla was basically a giant bear.
I don't even know what I want from a sequel. I like that the movie took itself seriously. But I also like that even serious Godzilla movies don't take themselves too seriously and tend to embrace their status as B-movies. I think what I really want is a Heisei era movie, but made for the 2010s. And I want CGI that looks like miniatures. Buildings being destroyed in the Toho movies seem SO much more satisfying than the destruction in this movie, which is the same as what you'll see in a Marvel movie, Man of Steel, White House Down, and any other movie you can think of that has buildings being destroyed. I guess what I really want is the best of both worlds, which doesn't seem possible.
I think the movie world is more far more international than at even the time of Final Wars. I'm afraid that Toho will stick with American films from now on because big American movies are always released world wide now, whereas a Japanese movie is not likely to be released in the US outside of a few art house/indie theaters. If US Godzilla movies are being made, there is little reason for Toho to make Japanese Godzilla movies in this day and age.