Rated-Rsuperstar
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I'll be the first to trash Gameinformer but your all making assumptions on a number not a review. The review isn't even on the site.
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GoldenEye 007 |OT| For 360, James? No... For Wii
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Fantastical
Death Prophet
To be fair it was their second opinion review and not the main review, but yes it is real.Maxrunner said:
Stumpokapow said:
This is more of a discussion on how GI has a known bias against pointer controls that most other outlets believed to be outstanding. They did the same thing with both MW:REFLEX and Metroid Prime Trilogy.
I think it is interesting as I normally don't pay any attention to reviews.
dragonfart28
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Craig is very credible with most of his reviews. Hitting 9 is making me giddy like a little schoolboy Indy!!!
Also, GI needs to get someone who knows how to play pointer-based games. If they give any credit to PS3 wand-based shooters then you know there is some bias there.
Also, GI needs to get someone who knows how to play pointer-based games. If they give any credit to PS3 wand-based shooters then you know there is some bias there.
controls are as perfect as they're in MW, if not better due to the nice gestures. So if some vg journalists aren't used to that IN 2010, it's not the game's fault. I completely refuse to play 007 with CC Pro (it works perfectly for people used to 360 joysticks ) after playing with a configured Wiimote setup.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Here's the IGN Video Review.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
On the subject of review scores, I want people to know that when I review this I'll be docking a good 3 or 4 points from the total on the basis of no Famke.
I feel this is just and fair.
I feel this is just and fair.
Freeza Under The Shower
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MYE said:
Honestly, I can get behind the 'traditional scheme is better' part of the statement.
Metroid Prime is basically a shooter which cuts out the aiming part in favor of the atrofied puzzle part that has been lost since Halo: CE made 'keep shooting asshole' the main way of thinking about shooters.
Having to aim manually may add additional challenge, but it also is a kind of cop-out from a design that tells you to get bend if you think shooters are just a matter of point & click.
That part of actual criticism aside, whomever wrote the quoted statement is obviously not able to form decent criticism.. at all.
TheMagician
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GI Modern Warfare: Reflex review
"Someday a developer might come up with an FPS control scheme that works on the Wii. Today is not that day."
GI Metroid Prime Trilogy review
"Aiming and panning your view with the remote is inferior in every way to the traditional scheme from the GameCube titles. Since there is no way to play with a classic or GameCube controller, youre stuck playing good last-gen games with a gimpy waggle interface."
GI GoldenEye review
"Playability: Dont bother playing this without a Classic Controller Pro"
IGN GoldenEye review
"That said, honestly, the game has some of the best Wii Remote controller support seen in a first-person shooter, and with practice it's clear that the quick and direct aiming of the Wii pointer is the true way to play this game. The Remote support is second only to The Conduit's crazy OCD level of customization, but in GoldenEye you have full input on pointer sensitivity, rotation speed, invert look, and other options, and everything you adjust is saved and applied to individual profiles that you can utilize in multiplayer."
"Someday a developer might come up with an FPS control scheme that works on the Wii. Today is not that day."
GI Metroid Prime Trilogy review
"Aiming and panning your view with the remote is inferior in every way to the traditional scheme from the GameCube titles. Since there is no way to play with a classic or GameCube controller, youre stuck playing good last-gen games with a gimpy waggle interface."
GI GoldenEye review
"Playability: Dont bother playing this without a Classic Controller Pro"
IGN GoldenEye review
"That said, honestly, the game has some of the best Wii Remote controller support seen in a first-person shooter, and with practice it's clear that the quick and direct aiming of the Wii pointer is the true way to play this game. The Remote support is second only to The Conduit's crazy OCD level of customization, but in GoldenEye you have full input on pointer sensitivity, rotation speed, invert look, and other options, and everything you adjust is saved and applied to individual profiles that you can utilize in multiplayer."
Drunkenthumbmaster
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More impressions. Okay we all know the wii limitations and no need to really harp on them. But I will say this Big blockbuster games just doesn't suit the wii. At points it looks so bad it's laughable.
But beside the wii horse power issues the game is too dark on numerous occassions in the first level I was lost didn't know where to go because it was so dark and the checkpoint indicator only gives you the general direction of where you need to go not how to get there which is a good thing if you could actually see. I'm playing on a 60 plasma with componet cables as well.
The gameplay is solid it plays as good as any fps. The classic controller (original) thumbsticks aren't as well suited as the 360's nor the PS3 for that matter but with time you get used to. Like I said in my other post playing with the Classic controller with the Goldfinger setup is the best fit for me. And anyone who has gotten used to modern FPS's. the game has that COD hold L trigger (button) and snap to the enemy feature as well. Which is really needed with the classic controller imo. Haven't tried online yet.
But beside the wii horse power issues the game is too dark on numerous occassions in the first level I was lost didn't know where to go because it was so dark and the checkpoint indicator only gives you the general direction of where you need to go not how to get there which is a good thing if you could actually see. I'm playing on a 60 plasma with componet cables as well.
The gameplay is solid it plays as good as any fps. The classic controller (original) thumbsticks aren't as well suited as the 360's nor the PS3 for that matter but with time you get used to. Like I said in my other post playing with the Classic controller with the Goldfinger setup is the best fit for me. And anyone who has gotten used to modern FPS's. the game has that COD hold L trigger (button) and snap to the enemy feature as well. Which is really needed with the classic controller imo. Haven't tried online yet.
Drunkenthumbmaster
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TheKingsCrown said:
LOL dude I've been on this board since it was still part of Gaming age lol.
TheKingsCrown
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Excellent IGN review!
Lone_Prodigy
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EatChildren said:
No Sean Bean: bargain bin fodder.
Does someone want to copy-paste part of the IGN review? Deny them clicks, etc.
(I'm no fan of IGN, but you have to admit they get reviews of Wii games out in a timely manner. And by timely I mean pretty darn close to release date. Still no reviews for Force Unleashed II Wii...)
TheKingsCrown
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Their approach to Wii games has been shown to lack credibility several times over by other posters. What are you talking about?Stumpokapow said:
dragonfart28
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TheKingsCrown said:
He was too quick to the draw.
TheMagician said:
The difference between GI editor and IGN editor is that the IGN editor is a Wii-focus editor. Craig Harris (IGN's Nintendo editor) actually learn to play around with the control, willing to do all the customization available, and have used to this relatively new kind of play style on the Wii.
Whereas the GI editor are just your regular multi-platform reviewers. He doesn't care about playing FPS on the Wii and he wouldn't care to do all these tweaking and customization to get the best experience. If it doesn't click with him the first 10 minutes (based on his traditional play style) he will just say it fails.
EatChildren
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Mesijs said:
Pretty much everybody criticising GI's score have directly quoted their continual asinine issues with pointer controls, which is right there in relation to GoldenEye.
Dont be surprised if people who love the pointer controls of games GI has trashed continue to ignore them.
SonOfABeep
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EatChildren said:
The Wii graphics/SD would just not do her justice. I think they made the right choice.
seady said:
But he has several default sensitivity options that actually show how WELL it works. I started with the most 'advanced', then reduced the dead zone a bit and increased the turning speed, but you don't need that last step: I actually NOTICED it worked awesome when I played for the first time @ Eurocom. I'm not asking for dead zone config, but for people who know how to enjoy the incredible pointer controls.
This guy should watch someone playing Conduit, MW or GoldenEye before negatively judging something he doesn't even care about.
SonOfABeep
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"Archaic" is a bit excessive. If 3 gens makes DA archaic Mouse/Keyboard must be positively Molding. :lol
I think pointer controls are as valid as the next guy but I also think it's just an option, not a replacement. People will always have their preferences.
It blows my mind how people can play SSF4 with the 360 D-Pad (or analog even) but they like it, and they do fine (at least at our local tourneys)
I think pointer controls are as valid as the next guy but I also think it's just an option, not a replacement. People will always have their preferences.
It blows my mind how people can play SSF4 with the 360 D-Pad (or analog even) but they like it, and they do fine (at least at our local tourneys)
I never played a four player split screen game on the Wii. How does the pointer work with a tiny screen?
Also, I disagree with people saying the dual-analog stick control is always the best. It is 'the best' only because everyone got used to it. The Wii doesn't have a lot of FPS that's why no one is bother to learn and get used to this new control style.
Also, I disagree with people saying the dual-analog stick control is always the best. It is 'the best' only because everyone got used to it. The Wii doesn't have a lot of FPS that's why no one is bother to learn and get used to this new control style.
EatChildren
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seady said:
The pointer is always relative to the sensor bar. It doesnt matter how far away you sit, how big your television, or how split the screen is. You simply play it as if you were playing single player.
Whenever you're aiming with the pointer in a Wii game you're never aiming at the screen. The screen has nothing to do with anything.
The Technomancer
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There might be some visual issues, but in terms of actual aiming you'll be just fine, since its all relative.seady said:
EDIT: EatChildren put it better.
Drunkenthumbmaster
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Lonely1 said:
It's a preference I tried with the wii pointer and it was all over the place. Now I didn't go into the options and try and tweak it. But for default settings I felt it was unplayable. Even the IGN review says to tweak the controls.
And no dual analogue shooter aren't 3 gens in Halo CE was the first Dual Analogue shooter it's the game that created the control scheme for the Modern FPS. Go back and play James Bond Agent under fire if you want to play a FPS that doesn't use dual anlogue controls at the default.
Drkirby said:
Switched accounts got a new PC and forgot old log in info. Even If I would have kept that account would probably still be under a hundred though I spend more time playing games than talking about them. I do lurk a lot though. Still don't understant what that has to do with anything for the record I"ve been play FPS since the original Quake on a 28k modem. Old veteran of the Quake and Unreal wars.
EatChildren
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Drunkenthumbmaster said:
Well, technically Perfect Dark (and maybe GoldenEye?) allowed players to use two N64 control pads at once for the first dual analogue shooting. It just wasn't a standard.
I'm not doubting your preference for dual analog (or inability to adjust to IR aiming), but to state that "anyone who has gotten used to modern FPS" should feel the same is just wrong. And while Halo CE indeed setup the benchmark for console FPSes, the dual analog setup has existed for 3 Gens now.Drunkenthumbmaster said:
balladofwindfishes
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Goldeneye had that option.EatChildren said:
It also had sort of dual analog, except one of the analogs was the C buttons. Basically the same idea, just buttons instead of a stick.
Turok, from what I've played, had a pretty crazy set up
EatChildren
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Lkr said:
Holding was easy as your hand was holding the middle stick, so the weight was nicely balanced. The buttons? Yeah, that was a big problem :lol.
It was clearly more of an experimental control scheme than the primary setup you were supposed to play the game with, but it was still basically the birth of dual analogue.
Drunkenthumbmaster
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Threi said:
If not Halo who????
OH god flashback of old Halo vs Goldeneye arguments. Anyway Like i said I didn't fool with the wii remote options. So maybe It can be tweaked at the default settings though I don't like. The default classic controllers settings aren't much better either Goldfinger setup was ideal for me.
Chopper Dave
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Does the game allow fine tuning pointer controls(bounding box, turning speed ect.) or is it just presets? Voice chat is out, I'm aware. Is there any way to communicate at all? An on-screen keyboard wouldn't work during a match but at least people could talk to each other between matches. Sorry in advance if these have been answered already. I'm might run some errands soon and was considering if I should pick this up.
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