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[kaching]

eh, I don't get how equally or more capable technologies based on open and readily available standards is rhetoric.

Because, You. Are not. Listening.

You started off by claiming that we need to kill off Flash's "monopoly" in order to make way for the new and better technologies, which is the main thing I disagree with. As I've said multiple times now we've never really needed to kill an older technology to make way for a newer one that betters it.

my thought is that once WebM takes off (wait, I thought I was anti-google????) the need or desire for flash in a mobile device will probably be cut down by over 50%.

See, now you're getting it. Provide a better option and migration will naturally occur. Supporting Flash in the meantime won't hurt those chances.

 

[Lord Error]

anyway, this is a google thread, not adobe thread.. sorry about that. I'm done just get fired up when people say "god google's awesome for giving people the choice that evil apple took away from them!!!" or such. android is a great OS and should be praised on the merits and innovation to the smartphone world. It just seems asinine to include an aged and dying development platform as one of those innovations. :\

Flash nowadays (and in capable hands) is really nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. In fact, I think it's a great platform for developing many kinds of simpler, and even no so simple apps for smartphones. I don't care nearly as much that Apple wouldn't allow a browser flash plugin support on idevices, but it really sucks that they don't allow building apps using it, so from my point of view it's great that Android does this.

 

[RJT]

Isn't the big news of the conference Google TV? Google and Sony joining forces? Is is possible for PS3 to have chrome in the future?

Why are you talking about Flash and Cellphones?

 

[overthehill99]

Isn't the big news of the conference Google TV? Google and Sony joining forces? Is is possible for PS3 to have chrome in the future?

Why are you talking about Flash and Cellphones?

Wait Sony has a hand in Google TV? God dammit why won't they upload the press conference. I want to learn!!!!!

 

[Crisis]

Isn't the big news of the conference Google TV? Google and Sony joining forces? Is is possible for PS3 to have chrome in the future?

Why are you talking about Flash and Cellphones?

1) Google TV didn't appeal to me at all. It reminds me way too much of WebTV and not in a positive way.

2) PS3 COULD have Chrome in the future. But nobody has confirmed that or even suggested it yet.

3) We're talking about Flash and cell phones because that comprised half of their presentation.

 

[RJT]

Wait Sony has a hand in Google TV? God dammit why won't they upload the press conference. I want to learn!!!!!

There are going to be three Google TV devices. First, Sony. They are going to be launching Google TV integrated TVs and integrated Blu-ray players.

Also, Logitech. They're going to do a companion box (set top box). And they will make keyboards and peripherals just for this.

And they're partnering with Intel to put an Atom in there.

Also, Dish, for an enhanced satellite experience.

It's going to be sold at Best Buy. All this will come in Fall 2010.

from Gizmodo (is that an unwanted site now?)

 

[RJT]

1) Google TV didn't appeal to me at all. It reminds me way too much of WebTV and not in a positive way.

Really? I thought is was really awesome how everything was just so seamless. You search for a TV series, they suggest the series homepage and the series schedule, and then ask if you want to record it on your DVR. That is so ahead of my box capabilities, I was completely sold...

(oh, and using google translate to get instantaneous subtitles? that thing could be just a bullet point for you americans, but it could be HUGE for the rest of the world)

 

[gofreak]

GoogleTV would be great to have on PS3. It sure would be nice to have Chrome on there vs the current browser. I guess there'd be some optimisation work to be done, but...if a blu-ray player can provide a decent experience in this context, surely a PS3 can.

BTW, a journalist did ask this. The response:

On the device issue, one journalist asked whether Google TV will work on Sony’s PlayStation, and Google chief executive Eric Schmidt laughed and said, “That’s a great idea!”

http://media.venturebeat.com/2010/05/20/google-tv-openness/

Yes please.

 

[andycapps]

GoogleTV would be great to have on PS3. It sure would be nice to have Chrome on there vs the current browser. I guess there'd be some optimisation work to be done, but...if a blu-ray player can provide a decent experience in this context, surely a PS3 can.

BTW, a journalist did ask this. The response:



http://media.venturebeat.com/2010/05/20/google-tv-openness/

Yes please.

Agreed, yes please.

 

[kaching]

Isn't the big news of the conference Google TV? Google and Sony joining forces?

If the implementation was more robust and more elegantly designed it might have been. The best part about it is having the Chrome omnibar for searches, but that's not going to be enough on its own to get me to plunk down hundreds for a companion box. In the latter half of presentation when they started talking about integrating more customized Android apps and talked about connectivity between the phone and TV, it got more interesting but still looked half-baked. They've got a lot of work to do between now and the fall.

Why are you talking about Flash and Cellphones?

BECAUSE DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY DID WITH PUSH INTENTS?!?!? OMFG!

 

[kaching]

Yeah, Stringer, it is a great idea to let the PS3 run other OSes...

 

[Crisis]

Really? I thought is was really awesome how everything was just so seamless. You search for a TV series, they suggest the series homepage and the series schedule, and then ask if you want to record it on your DVR. That is so ahead of my box capabilities, I was completely sold...

(oh, and using google translate to get instantaneous subtitles? that thing could be just a bullet point for you americans, but it could be HUGE for the rest of the world)

I thought at first the Google TV idea and concept are really good. But in truth I think it feels not so very seamless. Especially as shown. I know there's a "companion box" that Logitech is pushing out for people that don't have the money for the television or use Dish Network. You will likely have to switch between HDMI inputs to use it. That isn't very seamless at all but it also might be an interesting device to have under your TV if they price it right. With the Sony television in the US I think it will only be able to control basic cable channels and probably not be able to interact with any of the cable boxes that people get from their cable companies. The Dish Network idea is the best-executed of the three but the problem there is that it's Dish Network and not everyone wants Dish Network. Of course they'll go to other providers in the future but there's no telling how long that'll take to roll out. It will require a hardware investment from all of the television service providers to lease them out to customers. Being as that everything we've seen so far runs on Intel processors it will not be a cheap investment either.

Then there's the problem with the actual usage of it. You can use Android phones to control the television and that is somewhat cool but it's not practical. Most people will be using that keyboard with the mouse input on it to navigate the web stuff and that isn't really simple at all. At the start of the Google TV presentation the main presenter noted that television remained popular because it "just worked". This isn't anything that cannot be done right now by an HTPC. Hell even a PS3 can do a large portion of what was demonstrated at the I/O conference.

At the bolded part I think that is one of the coolest things that Google has done with this technology and I'm actually really interested in it myself.

 

[layzie1989]

boy the next iphone better be kickass because i'm seriously considering android...

what's the best android phone for att? is google expected to come out with the next nexus soon?

 

[gofreak]

Yeah, Stringer, it is a great idea to let the PS3 run other OSes...

Ooh, wait, this is the whole Android platform?

Yeah, that could be trickier then...maybe this is why his comment seems to have slightly "yeah, that WOULD be great is Sony let us" vibe to it.

 

[SimleuqiR]

boy the next iphone better be kickass because i'm seriously considering android...

what's the best android phone for att? is google expected to come out with the next nexus soon?

No Next Nexus any time soon...if ever. Not sure if they will continue the "Nexus" family of Google phones. I sure hope so.

AT&T has crippled any Android phone on their network...The Nexus is your best choice...but you have to pork $500.00 for it.

 

[Crisis]

No Next Nexus any time soon...if ever. Not sure if they will continue the "Nexus" family of Google phones. I sure hope so.

AT&T has crippled any Android phone on their network...The Nexus is your best choice...but you have to pork $500.00 for it.

I have to whore myself out for $500? I'll do it.

 

[jagowar]

GoogleTV would be great to have on PS3. It sure would be nice to have Chrome on there vs the current browser. I guess there'd be some optimisation work to be done, but...if a blu-ray player can provide a decent experience in this context, surely a PS3 can.

BTW, a journalist did ask this. The response:



http://media.venturebeat.com/2010/05/20/google-tv-openness/

Yes please.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs-google-tv-companion-box-hands-on/#3001294

Looks like its already being used with a 360.....

 

[SimleuqiR]

I have to whore myself out for $500? I'll do it.

Yes. Cue in the K-Y Jelly...

 

[gofreak]

http://www.engadget.com/photos/logitechs-google-tv-companion-box-hands-on/#3001294

Looks like its already being used with a 360.....

It doesn't look like it's running on the 360, more looks like the logitech googletv-running client can do universal remote duties.

 

[mj1108]

boy the next iphone better be kickass because i'm seriously considering android...

what's the best android phone for att? is google expected to come out with the next nexus soon?

The best Android phone on AT&T is the Nexus One. All the other Android phones have been crippled/bastardized on that carrier.

 

[andycapps]

I have to whore myself out for $500? I'll do it.

It'll only use Edge though on AT&T, they don't let it use 3G. Rethink that. :lol

 

[giga]

It'll only use Edge though on AT&T, they don't let it use 3G. Rethink that. :lol

Wait what?

 

[jagowar]

It doesn't look like it's running on the 360, more looks like the logitech googletv-running client can do universal remote duties.

And thats exactly how its going to work on ps3..... google tv is designed to run ontop of any CE device, not be integrated like some here think. It would be pointless to integrate it when it already works with the ps3 (and 360) via this method.

 

[andycapps]

Wait what?

I could have sworn there were some users here that said it'll only work on Edge.. I don't have one so I don't know. Running a lowly Blackjack II on AT&T until I get the EVO in a couple weeks.

 

[gofreak]

And thats how its going to work on ps3..... google tv is designed to run ontop of cd devices not be integrated like some here want. It would be pointless to integrate it when it already works with the ps3 (and 360) via this method.

Huh? It wouldn't be pointless. It would save you having to buy new hardware or a new TV to access it.

I think when people ask about 'will it come to ps3' they mean, will it run on PS3, in the same way these blu-ray players etc. will. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, Sony's probably too burned from its otheros escapades to entertain the idea :|

 

[Polari]

GoogleTV would be great to have on PS3. It sure would be nice to have Chrome on there vs the current browser. I guess there'd be some optimisation work to be done, but...if a blu-ray player can provide a decent experience in this context, surely a PS3 can.

BTW, a journalist did ask this. The response:

http://media.venturebeat.com/2010/05/20/google-tv-openness/

Yes please.

E3? :lol

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Google and Sony teamed up on this. It should just be a matter of porting Android to a Cell kernel. Considering Android already runs on x86 and ARM I assume the code is reasonably portable already. Sony could then just push it over a firmware update.

It's a win-win for both companies. Google gets 35 million Google TV devices overnight, Sony gets another selling point for the PS3 and they both get to stick it to their common enemies, Microsoft and Apple.

 

[RJT]

BECAUSE DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY DID WITH PUSH INTENTS?!?!? OMFG!

What did they do? (I didn't watch the conference)

 

[Macho Madness]

I could have sworn there were some users here that said it'll only work on Edge.. I don't have one so I don't know. Running a lowly Blackjack II on AT&T until I get the EVO in a couple weeks.

The T-Mobile version will only work with Edge.

 

[andycapps]

The T-Mobile version will only work with Edge.

Ah, so if you get the AT&T version from Google you're okay. Carry on then.

 

[gofreak]

E3? :lol

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Google and Sony teamed up on this. It should just be a matter of porting Android to a Cell kernel. Considering Android already runs on x86 and ARM I assume the code is reasonably portable already. Sony could then just push it over a firmware update.

It's a win-win for both companies. Google gets 35 million Google TV devices overnight, Sony gets another selling point for the PS3 and they both get to stick it to their common enemies, Microsoft and Apple.

If there's the slightest chance it would expose GameOS to hacking via android apps or whatnot, Sony wouldn't go near it with a ten foot bargepole.

Could you imagine them adding this, someone finding an exploit, and Sony then having to disable it in a future update? It would be the otheros fiasco x10 (cos a lot more people would actually use this vs linux!).

I don't know if there is or isn't a way to make a guaranteed secure environment for this...maybe the fact that Sony could update 'their version' of it would make all the difference compared to the situation with Linux where there was no capability to patch out vulnerabilities or unwanted snooping.

 

[kaching]

What did they do? (I didn't watch the conference)

The idea is that you can do something on a PC that can activate the phone and launch an app. There were two examples: 1) go to google maps on PC, look up driving directions, click a button to send those directions to the phone and have them automatically open up in the app, and 2)Open a web page on a PC, click a button to read it on the go by sending it to the phone and having it open in the browser.

"Intents" on Android are basically the architecture built to allow individual Android apps to talk to each other on the same device. Now they've extended that to allow other apps on other devices to talk to Android apps on your phone.

 

[Jim]

Huh? It wouldn't be pointless. It would save you having to buy new hardware or a new TV to access it.

I think when people ask about 'will it come to ps3' they mean, will it run on PS3, in the same way these blu-ray players etc. will. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, Sony's probably too burned from its otheros escapades to entertain the idea :|

The Logitech Google TV box takes the HDMI input from the cable box, which then passes through to your TV. It's sandwiched between. The PS3 has no way to take HDMI in, so I doubt it can serve as the same kind of integrated Google TV client.

 

[gofreak]

The Logitech Google TV box takes the HDMI input from the cable box, which then passes through to your TV. It's sandwiched between. The PS3 has no way to take HDMI in, so I doubt it can serve as the same kind of integrated Google TV client.

That's true, although in some territories there's peripherals available to let you pass a TV signal to your PS3...whether they could be made to work with GoogleTV though, I'm not sure.

There might be options to use it with IPTV too...

(TBH, forget the TV stuff, I'd just love to have chrome on ps3 over the current browser :lol )

 

[RJT]

The idea is that you can do something on a PC that can activate the phone and launch an app. There were two examples: 1) go to google maps on PC, look up driving directions, click a button to send those directions to the phone and have them automatically open up in the app, and 2)Open a web page on a PC, click a button to read it on the go by sending it to the phone and having it open in the browser.

"Intents" on Android are basically the architecture built to allow individual Android apps to talk to each other on the same device. Now they've extended that to allow other apps on other devices to talk to Android apps on your phone.

OMFG!!!!! That's... kinda useless... Cool, I guess, but nothing you can't easily do by emailing the article you want to read to yourself, or adding a note do Evernote, or adding a file do Dropbox...

 

[SimleuqiR]

OMFG!!!!! That's... kinda useless... Cool, I guess, but nothing you can't easily do by emailing the article you want to read to yourself, or adding a note do Evernote, or adding a file do Dropbox...

How about you are at your PC reading Google Reader. Have an article open, but have to head out...just click the sync "Button" on the page and when you open the Google Reader page (on your Android) it takes you directly to that article. Why bother with evernote, or e-mail...Dropbox?

 

[Zeppu]

The Logitech Google TV box takes the HDMI input from the cable box, which then passes through to your TV. It's sandwiched between. The PS3 has no way to take HDMI in, so I doubt it can serve as the same kind of integrated Google TV client.

What if they just use chrome as a browser

 

[RJT]

How about you are at your PC reading Google Reader. Have an article open, but have to head out...just click the sync "Button" on the page and when you open the Google Reader page (on your Android) it takes you directly to that article. Why bother with evernote, or e-mail...Dropbox?

Well, I see where you're coming from. Maybe I'm more of a TV guy... Carry on with your discussion of Flash and OMFG PUSH INTENTS!!!!!!

 

[Hawkian]

How can anyone hate flash?! It gave us many wonderful things! Like Homestarrunner and Weebl. And who could forget Nanaca Crash! or Hapland? The Impossible Quiz wouldn't have been possible and neither would we have ever smacked penguins away with a yeti were it not for Flash.

Flash is awesome.

Agreed.

I want it to die as much as the next guy, but not because I hate it. It's an Old Yeller situation.

 

[gofreak]

What if they just use chrome as a browser

He's right that without a TV signal, launching GoogleTV just to use Chrome would be rather silly...you'd want the TV signal for it to be 'googletv' and to make sense.

And Chrome's been sitting there, open-source, for a long time (I believe?). Sony could have taken it and ported it to Cell and popped it in as a replacement for their current browser if they wanted...alas, no sign of that happening.

If and as more ways of getting TV into your PS3 emerge, it might build the case for letting you integrate your chosen source with something like googletv...but then again, some other iptv providers, for example, might not want to allow integration with things like this if they're viewed as competition. A slightly complicated picture :|

 

[Solideliquid]

2.2 Froyo on Moto Droid fall 2010. Believe.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Well, I see where you're coming from. Maybe I'm more of a TV guy... Carry on with your discussion of Flash and OMFG PUSH INTENTS!!!!!!

Not downplaying Google TV. But the "OMFG PUSH INTENTS" can work in favor of Google TV too. It has much potential.

 

[Macho Madness]

2.2 Froyo on Moto Droid fall 2010. Believe.

If the OTA comes out in June, I would probably faint.

 

[Talon]

How the hell would Google TV work with a PS3? Presumably the set top box has the cable/satellite tunneling through it. Same thing would work with the TV.

I just have a hard time seeing Sony - who has stuck with proprietary software (awful, awful software at times) through thick and thin is going to relinquish that any time soon. Hell, they pulled Linux support at a whim - hard to see 'em going back.

 

[Solideliquid]

If the OTA comes out in June, I would probably faint.

If 2.1 was any indication, three months after N1 gets Froyo. Makes me want to get an iPhone. At least everyone gets the OS update same day.

 

[Hawkian]

Screw OTA, I want to know when the custom ROMs are gonna start making the rounds

 

[Macho Madness]

Screw OTA, I want to know when the custom ROMs are gonna start making the rounds

Presumably the day that the source for 2.2 is made available.

 

[giga]

How about you are at your PC reading Google Reader. Have an article open, but have to head out...just click the sync "Button" on the page and when you open the Google Reader page (on your Android) it takes you directly to that article. Why bother with evernote, or e-mail...Dropbox?

http://www.instapaper.com/

And as confirmed before:

Phonescoop is stupid.

 

[SimleuqiR]

http://www.instapaper.com/

That's on android?

 

[giga]

That's on android?

Hm, not sure if there’s a native client but users should be able to just browse to the site with their browser?

 

[Withnail]

That's on android?

Instafetch is an Android app that pulls articles from Instapaper. It works pretty well.