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[Battersea Power Station]

Didn't watch the keynote -- only read the summary about Google TV. It sounds great. It's hilarious to me how Google seems to be run by cut-throat capitalists, but they're always geared towards improving shit or giving it away for free.

So this device will beam your viewing behavior straight to Google?

If that's true, and we no longer have to depend on Nielsen families, maybe good content will be more common and our favorite shows won't be cancelled, only to be resurrected by DVD sales.

 

[SimleuqiR]

in the short term it gives people access to more stuff. in the long term it will just cause more problems by maintaining adobe's monopoly and making the consumer rely on their shitty software.

I think Adobe knows they need to prep for HTML5 (which they are), but as a business they need to keep making money and can't drop their bread maker just because Steve wants them to.

 

[Talon]

If that's true, and we no longer have to depend on Nielsen families, maybe good content will be more common and our favorite shows won't be cancelled, only to be resurrected by DVD sales.

Getting a better read of audiences for more data and better targeted ads is absolutely the reason that Google TV exists.

Now it's a matter of adoption.

 

[Subliminal]

Can someone explain to me how Android updating works? Like, if I buy an HTC whatever, I can't just upgrade it to 2.2? I'd have to wait for my carrier to do it for me?

You have to wait for HTC to update it for all their 'sense' ui stuff

 

[alternade]

Can someone explain to me how Android updating works? Like, if I buy an HTC whatever, I can't just upgrade it to 2.2? I'd have to wait for my carrier to do it for me?

If the phone has a skinned UI ie HTC sense, you have to wait for the carrier and manufacturer to update the UI. But really even if your on stock android you still have to wait but depending on what phone you have (N1 vs Moment) you will get updates faster or be able to root your phone easier.

 

[MCX]

You have to wait for HTC to update it for all their 'sense' ui stuff

If someone were to upload a Nexus 2.2 image to a torrent site could a user download it to a Droid or Evo and have it work normally?

 

[jonnybryce]

Can someone explain to me how Android updating works? Like, if I buy an HTC whatever, I can't just upgrade it to 2.2? I'd have to wait for my carrier to do it for me?

You can with custom roms. Officially, you wait for manufacturers and carriers to have it ready. There's been one big leap, 2.1, which was infamous for taking a long time. Whether 2.2 for devices will take forever or be relatively speedy remains to be seen. From 2.2 on, you can update parts of the OS yourself from the market I believe, the idea being that if theres a new Gmail or Music or Browser app in the new updated OS, you can grab them off the market yourself. But that's the remedy Google cooked up for after 2.2.

 

[SimleuqiR]

The biggest let down was no talk about fragmentation or how they will get most phones onto 2.2.

 

[Subliminal]

If someone were to upload a Nexus 2.2 image to a torrent site could a user download it to a Droid or Evo and have it work normally?

No.

At least not straight away, The Kernel needs to be adjusted

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

The biggest let down was no talk about fragmentation or how they will get most phones onto 2.2.

I would have liked 2.2 to be available today, and I would have pulled my Nexus One off the ebay lot, but no word on it so far...

You think it's because they're still waiting on flash? As I was reading an article a few weeks ago and the Flash guys said they still have a few months left of developing :|

 

[Zabka]

Didn't watch the keynote -- only read the summary about Google TV. It sounds great. It's hilarious to me how Google seems to be run by cut-throat capitalists, but they're always geared towards improving shit or giving it away for free.If that's true, and we no longer have to depend on Nielsen families, maybe good content will be more common and our favorite shows won't be cancelled, only to be resurrected by DVD sales.

I didn't actually post that, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it publish web ads based on your viewing habits.

 

[jenov4]

http://tech.icrontic.com/news/android-2-2-is-official-froyos-features-and-phones-revealed/

You guys see this?

Nexus One owners will be delighted to learn that Android 2.2 is available as an OTA update beginning today. Google also confirmed that late model devices like the Motorola Droid, HTC EVO 4G, HTC Desire and HTC Incredible are scheduled to get the update soon.

 

[borghe]

Exactly. Choice.

we've been over this ad nausem.. there is no "choice" you droid guys keep insisting on. You are never given a "choice" to go to a non-flash version of the site. You are never given a "choice" to not use flash. there is no "choice". As correctly stated, it just perpetuates Adobe's near monopoly on dynamic web content display. If you actually went to a site and a box popped up every time saying "do you want to view flash items on this page" I would give you it's a choice. It has nothing to do with choice. It's google adding another bullet point to the box to attempt to gain market share. There is NOTHING good about it. GOOD would be forcing flash from existence and relying on open web standards that aren't controlled by one single company. Consumer choice is about giving customers the option of either getting Android with Flash or getting it without Flash. This is not choice, so please stop saying it is. Yes it's a feature, and yes it's a bullet point directly against apple.. it's competition which overall is great. But it has NOTHING to do with giving consumers a real choice.

The biggest let down was no talk about fragmentation or how they will get most phones onto 2.2.

there was likely no talk or mention about it because google doesn't have a firm solution in place (or close to in place). I've seen rumors that they want to offer phone updates on the store, but nothing even close to official. That they say nothing at their developer conference is a bit disconcerting. they definitely need to get it solved though, otherwise new apps will continue to trickle instead of explode onto the store. the fact that mobile apps are as big and prominent as they are now, the Android OS is shipping more units in America than iphone OS now, and apps to the google app store aren't even hitting the rate that the initially released at on the iphone app store (nowhere near it actually) is a bit frightening. I am all for competition, and thus me saying google NEEDS to figure this out.

 

[Zeppu]

So you guys didn't enjoy Google TV. Sure the last bit was useless crap but the idea overall is freaking amazing.

 

[nubbe]

http://tech.icrontic.com/news/android-2-2-is-official-froyos-features-and-phones-revealed/

You guys see this?

Sweet, I hope the Desire update only is a month or two away.

 

[kaching]

http://tech.icrontic.com/news/android-2-2-is-official-froyos-features-and-phones-revealed/

You guys see this?

That's not what the official Android blog is saying - where are they getting this info?

 

[jonnybryce]

we've been over this ad nausem.. there is no "choice" you droid guys keep insisting on.

Sigh. Because a guy in a turtle neck telling you that you can't use certain parts of the internet he doesn't like, from music players to video and car websites, is choice.

It's choice to use what you want to make what you want. It doesn't have to be X or Z. It can be both. And we shouldn't have to wait for X to die and Z to actually take off to have content. We can have both.

That's not what the official Android blog is saying - where are they getting this info?

I'm thinking Phonescoop got it wrong and everyone else is taking it from them. Google blog wouldn't be wrong, and Google would have announced that, for sure.

 

[jenov4]

we've been over this ad nausem.. there is no "choice" you droid guys keep insisting on. You are never given a "choice" to go to a non-flash version of the site. You are never given a "choice" to not use flash. there is no "choice". As correctly stated, it just perpetuates Adobe's near monopoly on dynamic web content display. If you actually went to a site and a box popped up every time saying "do you want to view flash items on this page" I would give you it's a choice. It has nothing to do with choice. It's google adding another bullet point to the box to attempt to gain market share. There is NOTHING good about it. GOOD would be forcing flash from existence and relying on open web standards that aren't controlled by one single company. Consumer choice is about giving customers the option of either getting Android with Flash or getting it without Flash. This is not choice, so please stop saying it is. Yes it's a feature, and yes it's a bullet point directly against apple.. it's competition which overall is great. But it has NOTHING to do with giving consumers a real choice.

Good point, look at it this way, Android users have Flash support, and Iphone users don't.

 

[Zombie James]

http://tech.icrontic.com/news/android-2-2-is-official-froyos-features-and-phones-revealed/

You guys see this?

Nice! I hope someone does battery life comparisons.

 

[Zeppu]

The choice is given to developers not to viewers.

 

[jonnybryce]

http://www.androidcentral.com/most-2010-htc-android-phones-will-get-froyo-2010

HTC says they'll have all 2010 phones, from Incredible to myTouch Slide, on Froyo by the second half of 2010. Other older phones, I suppose meaning the Hero, aren't announced yet.

The choice is given to developers not to viewers.

And when an app is made for iPhone, the choice is given to devs, not users, either. But a dev can make an app for iPhone, Android and webOS. A dev can make flash content, html5 content, or silverlight content. Its not up to one person to say "Nope, you can't use that to make things and everything that uses that today, nix it, drop it, convert it or people shouldn't be able to see it. Thanks."

 

[Bboy AJ]

Excellent stuff from Google. I await the day when I can use my Nexus One as a remote for everything in the house.

Now where's my FroYo update?

 

[Talon]

Can't wait to get my Evo 4G...especially if the 2.2 update is coming soon.

 

[borghe]

Sigh. Because a guy in a turtle neck telling you that you can't use certain parts of the internet he doesn't like, from music players to video and car websites, is choice.

nor did I ever say that what apple was doing was giving you a choice. the reason I am pro-apple in this stance vs. pro-google is because apple's solution requires the removal of a closed proprietary web solution, google's solution just further promotes it. if google said "fuck flash" i'd be rah rah'ing google, and if apple conceded to adobe I would /faceplam til the cows came home.

It's choice to use what you want to make what you want. It doesn't have to be X or Z. It can be both. And we shouldn't have to wait for X to die and Z to actually take off to have content. We can have both.

ah, but everyone keeps talking about consumer choice, not developer choice. As for development, with both systems having INSANELY competent APIs and SDKs, and code being pretty damn portable between xcode and c++ at this point in both's lives, the desire to limit yourself using flash hardly seems like a rational choice. basically along the lines of "you can choose this Audi, BMW, or a Honda Civic" and expecting anyone to reasonably choose the Civic.

And when an app is made for iPhone, the choice is given to devs, not users, either. But a dev can make an app for iPhone, Android and webOS. A dev can make flash content, html5 content, or silverlight content. Its not up to one person to say "Nope, you can't use that to make things and everything that uses that today, nix it, drop it, convert it or people shouldn't be able to see it. Thanks."

yet that's exactly what google did with android for the first year and a half of the OS' life. you honestly think they are primarily doing this to give honest to goodness options to developers? Really? You think "developer choice" has a single damn thing to do with why they are including Flash support? come on.. I get you arguing to argue, but tell me you don't actually believe that.

Google can do whatever they want.. and if it sells more units bully to them... but stop acting like there is any noble act behind this move. It's a bullet point to move more units. There is nothing intentionally noble or consumer/developer friendly about it. It's a fortunate bonus at best to be able to market it as such.

 

[Salaadin]

http://www.androidcentral.com/most-2010-htc-android-phones-will-get-froyo-2010

HTC says they'll have all 2010 phones, from Incredible to myTouch Slide, on Froyo by the second half of 2010.

Hopefully the Incredible is in the early part of the second half of 2010

 

[Davidion]

http://tech.icrontic.com/news/android-2-2-is-official-froyos-features-and-phones-revealed/

You guys see this?

Ugh, any older phones on the market won't be able to support Flash 10, which is bundled with 2.2?

There has better be some options to downgrade the flash. Not that any of this will matter until Motorola finally gets their heads out of their asses and fix that POS Motoblur.

 

[Hawkian]

Borghe, to me the consumer benefit seems pretty obvious in terms of "choice"...

With a suitably equipped Android phone, you can choose to go to sites with Flash or not go to them.

On an iPhone you can't experience any sites with Flash, even if you want to.

 

[kaching]

As correctly stated, it just perpetuates Adobe's near monopoly on dynamic web content display.

Because we can't possibly support existing technology and work on advancing new technology standards at the same time...

Open web standards, inlcuding HTML5, are deliberately designed to be extensible via standard *and* proprietary extensions/plugins. The fullest support for open web standards accounts for both.

 

[giga]

Flash hardware requirements, in addition to 2.2 (Nexus, Droid, Incredible, Evo)

Built in task killer

 

[Adamm]

Built in task killer

...

I though Google always said there are no need for task killers?

 

[kaching]

Built in task killer

Err, that's just a reworking of the current Manage Apps page into cleaner tabs. 2.1 already allows you to see which apps are running and allows you to shut them down individually.

 

[overthehill99]

Where can I watch todays press conference and learn about Froyo and Google TV? Sorry for being so stupid.

 

[borghe]

Borghe, to me the consumer benefit seems pretty obvious in terms of "choice"...

With a suitably equipped Android phone, you can choose to go to sites with Flash or not go to them.

On an iPhone you can't experience any sites with Flash, even if you want to.

I'd like to agree with you on principle, but 99.999999% of users won't be aware that they are going to a site with flash or not. Thus from a knowledgeable point of view it could be a choice, but hardly anyone is knowledgeable enough for that choice to actually exist. if you want to get technical, Apple actually gives you more of a "choice" in that regards. You can either NOT visit the flash site on your iphone because it won't work, or you can instead just visit it on your computer where it will work. IMHO that's a much more logical metric by which to gauge the choice. Yeah, not at all consumer friendly, but at least at that point they are given an entirely legitimate choice.

Because we can't possibly support existing technology and work on advancing new technology standards at the same time...

sort of not really.. when talking about the real web, yeah you sort of have a point. I mean even google has said that not many WebM browsers are out RIGHT NOW. but what are we talking about exactly? I mean if your goal is to create a web game accessible by all then yeah your options are limited as HTML5 is still young. But if your goal is to provide x content to users.. using and staying with flash hardly seems mandatory when at least for iphone and android you have technology equally as widely available on both platforms (i.e. native SDKs) and unarguably significantly more capable.

 

[Pimpwerx]

In a couple weeks I'll have an Evo with Froyo and some chicks with some big titties feeding me grapes. This is living. PEACE.

 

[prodystopian]

Hopefully the Incredible is in the early part of the second half of 2010

I know that saying 2H 2010 is a CYA thing, but I'm really hoping that doesn't mean the latter half.

 

[jonnybryce]

yet that's exactly what google did with android for the first year and a half of the OS' life. you honestly think they are primarily doing this to give honest to goodness options to developers? Really? You think "developer choice" has a single damn thing to do with why they are including Flash support? come on.. I get you arguing to argue, but tell me you don't actually believe that.

Google can do whatever they want.. and if it sells more units bully to them... but stop acting like there is any noble act behind this move. It's a bullet point to move more units. There is nothing intentionally noble or consumer/developer friendly about it. It's a fortunate bonus at best to be able to market it as such.

:lol

This is why I find this conversation annoying to have. Google is still a bad guy for supporting more standards. Ok, sure. I don't care WHY Google is doing it, or why you decided they are. I care that they ARE, and so is Palm, so they're cool by me, too. I know Apple ISN'T. The facts are more solid than "They're not noble so whatever they're doing doesn't matter, in the end everyone wants $$$."

I'd like to agree with you on principle, but 99.999999% of users won't be aware that they are going to a site with flash or not. Thus from a knowledgeable point of view it could be a choice, but hardly anyone is knowledgeable enough for that choice to actually exist. if you want to get technical, Apple actually gives you more of a "choice" in that regards. You can either NOT visit the flash site on your iphone because it won't work, or you can instead just visit it on your computer where it will work. IMHO that's a much more logical metric by which to gauge the choice. Yeah, not at all consumer friendly, but at least at that point they are given an entirely legitimate choice.

Wow. Well, that settles that.

 

[hope32]

I'd like to agree with you on principle, but 99.999999% of users won't be aware that they are going to a site with flash or not. Thus from a knowledgeable point of view it could be a choice, but hardly anyone is knowledgeable enough for that choice to actually exist. if you want to get technical, Apple actually gives you more of a "choice" in that regards. You can either NOT visit the flash site on your iphone because it won't work, or you can instead just visit it on your computer where it will work. IMHO that's a much more logical metric by which to gauge the choice. Yeah, not at all consumer friendly, but at least at that point they are given an entirely legitimate choice.

Wow, do you actually believe the shit you're spewing?

 

[prodystopian]

I'd like to agree with you on principle, but 99.999999% of users won't be aware that they are going to a site with flash or not. Thus from a knowledgeable point of view it could be a choice, but hardly anyone is knowledgeable enough for that choice to actually exist. if you want to get technical, Apple actually gives you more of a "choice" in that regards. You can either NOT visit the flash site on your iphone because it won't work, or you can instead just visit it on your computer where it will work. IMHO that's a much more logical metric by which to gauge the choice. Yeah, not at all consumer friendly, but at least at that point they are given an entirely legitimate choice.


sort of not really.. when talking about the real web, yeah you sort of have a point. I mean even google has said that not many WebM browsers are out RIGHT NOW. but what are we talking about exactly? I mean if your goal is to create a web game accessible by all then yeah your options are limited as HTML5 is still young. But if your goal is to provide x content to users.. using and staying with flash hardly seems mandatory when at least for iphone and android you have technology equally as widely available on both platforms (i.e. native SDKs) and unarguably significantly more capable.

1. So on Android, a better 'choice' would be popping a a big notice that says 'THIS SITE IS FLASH, YOU SHOULD TRY IT ON YOUR PC'?

2. Flash is on the web. You are not going to force developers to stop supporting and developing all flash related sites today. Google made its commitment to HTML5 clear yesterday, so why shouldn't they support Flash on their system now while HTML5 comes around?

 

[SimleuqiR]

Flash...blah, blah, blah

Seriously, the debate is getting tiresome.
Now a quick recap from BoyGenious.

In the 18 months since Android’s first debut, there are now over 60 Android devices. 21 OEMs, 48 countries, and 59 carriers have helped make Android what it is today. Google announced in February that it was activating 60,000 units. Today, Google is activating 100,000 Android devices. Google is now second only to RIM in U.S. smartphone sales. In terms of total web and app usage, Android is now first. Google was hoping to have 500 million miles navigated with turn-by-turn by the end of the year. Today they’re well over 1 billion. People love applications, and to help serve their needs there are now over 50,000 applications and 180,000 developers helping to keep Android front and center in the smartphone world. And now to the big news… Android 2.2 aka FroYo! Here’s what it’s all about.

* Google has done a lot of work. FroYo’s Dalvik virtual machine has a JIT compiler that’s good for a speedup anywhere from 2x to 5x.

* For corporate users, there are a bunch of new Exchange policies. You know, good stuff like auto-discovewrt, security policies, global address books, remote wipe, etc.

* Elsewhere, there’s a cloud-to-device messaging API. Developers can send messages to Google’s servers and it will send an Android intent to the device. For example, if you’re looking to get to a nice Italian bakery, you can hit up Google maps on your desktop and send the directions to your Android smartphone. It won’t send some crummy text message or email, though. Oh, no. It will open up Google Maps Navigation and send you on your merry way.

* Tethering and Hotspots The rumors were indeed true. Android will let you enable tethering at the platform level. Just open up the Wi-Fi settings, create a hotspot and you’re good to go.

* Browser FroYo brings major enhancements to the browsers. Javascript performs 2x to 3x faster. Google is working closely with standards bodies to make more capable and versatile browsers. Soon (and not necessarily in FroYo), you’ll be able to do things like use the camera, manometer and accelerometer from within the browser thanks to some clever APIs.

* Google has upped its game with voice recognitions. In the future, again, not with FroYo, voice recognition will be able to better understand human intention. So if you tell it to look up a picture, it will do that in browser. But if you tell it to call your favorite restaurant, it will do that, too. You’ll also be able to use voice commands with the Google Translate website. Just say whatever it is you want translated and Google will

* Google wants the most comprehensive mobile browser. “It turns out on the internet… people use Flash!” We saw a quick little demo of Flash running on Nickelodeon’s site, and truthfully, it looked to run fairly smoothly.

* The Quick Search box will allow you to easily search for applications. Developers can also tap into this. Say you bought something and plugged it into the Mint app. You can search for that particular transaction with the Quick Search bar.

* You’ll be free to shove games and apps to the microSD card and use them as if they were loaded on the devices on-board memory.

* There will be an update all button for apps in the Android Market. If that’s too much hassle, you can select any number of your apps to auto update. Very nice! Report feedback If an app crashes, you can send feedback directly to the developer and let them know what happened. Developers can view the entire stack trace and isolate the problem and fix it.

* You’ll be able to take advantage of a little known as the “internet” and have it push the app directly to your phone. The same can be done for music and videos. *drool* Streaming Music Thanks to Google’s acquisition of Simplify Media, you can now stream your non-DRM music collection from your computer straight to your Android smartphone.

I'm hungry for Froyo...mmmm...

 

[jonnybryce]

Flash...blah, blah, blah

Seriously, the debate is getting tiresome.
Now a quick recap from BoyGenious.



I'm hungry for Froyo...mmmm...

Do we know if the quick search categories is available when you hit the search button, too? From the actual search bar when you type? I don't use the widget and don't plan on starting.

 

[borghe]

:lol

This is why I find this conversation annoying to have. Google is still a bad guy for supporting more standards. Ok, sure. I don't care WHY Google is doing it, or why you decided they are. I care that they ARE, and so is Palm, so they're cool by me, too. I know Apple ISN'T. The facts are more solid than "They're not noble so whatever they're doing doesn't matter, in the end everyone wants $$$."

I never said they were a bad guy.. It's a corporate move.. it's not like they are doing something particularly horrible or whatnot. It's just annoying more than anything (also remember that I'm a web developer and talking about this from a development standpoint). Like I said... At the end of the day it doesn't come down to google vs. apple for me on this..
For me it comes down to "working to keep adobe on the web" and "working to get adobe off of the web". Anything that falls into the former camp for me gets boo'ed, anything falling into the latter camp gets cheered. I couldn't have been more ecstatic when google said they weren't going to be including Adobe... I loved it. When they turned around and said it was coming, I inherently disliked it... has nothing to do with brand loyalty or any bullshit like that.

Wow, do you actually believe the shit you're spewing?

I said right in there that it was not at all a consumer friendly choice.. not by a long shot.. but it's still closer to giving the consumer a REAL choice of using Flash or not, more so than people insisting Google including it is giving them the choice to use it (which it doesn't). If people don't have the ability to turn flash off nor have the ability to really know if they are using flash or not, how is it a choice? With iphone you don't have a choice on the platform and in the end it's incredibly inconvenient, but at the end of the day at least it's a real choice (go to the site with flash or not).

1. So on Android, a better 'choice' would be popping a a big notice that says 'THIS SITE IS FLASH, YOU SHOULD TRY IT ON YOUR PC'?

of course not, that would be stupid. But by that same token I'm not the one saying google is giving them a choice by including it.

2. Flash is on the web. You are not going to force developers to stop supporting and developing all flash related sites today.

you would if you left flash support out of a rapidly growing segment of the worldwide market.... :\

Google made its commitment to HTML5 clear yesterday, so why shouldn't they support Flash on their system now while HTML5 comes around?

Of course I know that, and again it needs to be reiterated.. I am NOT anti-Google, anti-android, pro-Apple, etc. I love Google and think the company is amazing, and while I prefer iphone I certainly acknowledge that competition is a beautiful thing and Android is the first true competition to iphone. but flash is the devil and the quicker it dies, the much better off the web will be for it. Like I said.. anything that speeds up the death of flash, hooray.. anything that slows it down, booohh....

 

[SimleuqiR]

Do we know if the quick search categories is available when you hit the search button, too? From the actual search bar when you type? I don't use the widget and don't plan on starting.

It most likely will. Don't see why not.

 

[Sh1ner]

is the day 2 stream over? I assume I missed it :| I checked the youtube google devs page and dont see a stream link.

 

[Zeppu]

I bet someone was dying a little inside each time Vic took a stab at Apple.

I lol'd tho.

 

[kaching]

sort of not really..

Plenty of real world examples where existing, entrenched technologies, standard and proprietary, were replaced by newer technology standards without the need to specifically attempt to kill the existing tech, speaks to the contrary.

 

[borghe]

Plenty of real world examples where existing, entrenched technologies, standard and proprietary, were replaced by newer technology standards without the need to specifically attempt to kill the existing tech, speaks to the contrary.

you should have quoted more... The "not really" part is because while you were talking specifically about web technologies, I was talking about delivery to the platforms in general. no it's not realistic to wake up tomorrow and see everything in HTML5 and flash dead. However, saying that including Flash is giving developers more options on Android is kind of ridiculous when the default API has far greater penetration on the platform and is infinitely more extensible. that's all I was referring to.

 

[giga]

Err, that's just a reworking of the current Manage Apps page into cleaner tabs. 2.1 already allows you to see which apps are running and allows you to shut them down individually.

Isn’t that just for third party apps?

 

[hope32]

I said right in there that it was not at all a consumer friendly choice.. not by a long shot.. but it's still closer to giving the consumer a REAL choice of using Flash or not, more so than people insisting Google including it is giving them the choice to use it (which it doesn't). If people don't have the ability to turn flash off nor have the ability to really know if they are using flash or not, how is it a choice? With iphone you don't have a choice on the platform and in the end it's incredibly inconvenient, but at the end of the day at least it's a real choice (go to the site with flash or not).

They can still choose not to go to a flash website regardless of what they're using. By using the iPhone they have no choice, they just simply can't. You're not making any sense here.

 

[kaching]

I'm hungry for Froyo...mmmm...

Push Intents is just about the sexiest thing I've seen for a mobile device. That plus the revamping of the market with OTA installs is how you do syncing with mobile devices in the 21st century. Can't wait.

Oh, and that new stuff shown for Google Listen in the TV segment better come to the phone version as well. She said same binary, but didn't confirm what would and wouldn't work on different devices with different screen sizes...as long as the phone version starts to support video podcasts, I'll be good.

 

[kaching]

Isn’t that just for third party apps?

No.