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[giga]

No.

Ah, forgot about the menu button filter option.

 

[jonnybryce]

I wish Google would keep the web store open. Days like today show why they should have a flagship phone, whether or not it's the cheapest, easiest to obtain or most popular Android phone. There should be a powerful stock Android phone to demonstrate what Google intends Android to be. And some people want the newest things the fastest, and the way Google intended. If there was a N1 for Verizon, I'd be very tempted to order it right now.

I'm not even sure why, it's just "weeks," but still. I want to be an Android user who gets things the quickest. I'm jealous.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Push Intents is just about the sexiest thing I've seen for a mobile device. That plus the revamping of the market with OTA installs is how you do syncing with mobile devices in the 21st century. Can't wait.

Oh, and that new stuff shown for Google Listen in the TV segment better come to the phone version as well. She said same binary, but didn't confirm what would and wouldn't work on different devices with different screen sizes...as long as the phone version starts to support video podcasts, I'll be good.

Yup! I can already see myself planning a whole trip via PC on Maps and then just heading out with my phone . That whole reading an article on the PC and then continuing it on the phone....drool.

 

[giga]

Recent app switcher looks diff.

 

[radioheadrule83]

God I can't upgrade from the Hero until April next year... why do I see spending a shitfuck load of money on a phone in my future?

 

[kaching]

while you were talking specifically about web technologies,

But, I wasn't, not in the first sentence of that post. It was a general statement about how we transition between technologies, without ever requiring a deliberate attempt at assassination of the old to bring in the new. There's plenty of examples of this.

And the second sentence was just meant to highlight how the open web standards we have now and in the near future are specifically framed around rapid innovation through extensibility and slower evolution through standardization. This is the way it's always been on the web.

 

[jonnybryce]

YES.

I'd love it the recent moved up and it showed as many apps as you have running that fit on the screen...but if that's all there is, 8 makes more sense than 6. Hot.

 

[SimleuqiR]

Recent app switcher looks diff.

http://kttns.org/flnwj[IMG][/QUOTE]

giga....Thank you and Fuck you at the same time!
You are killing me here. :D

 

[Korey]

if you want to get technical, Apple actually gives you more of a "choice" in that regards. You can either NOT visit the flash site on your iphone because it won't work, or you can instead just visit it on your computer where it will work. IMHO that's a much more logical metric by which to gauge the choice. Yeah, not at all consumer friendly, but at least at that point they are given an entirely legitimate choice.

Nice!

 

[overthehill99]

Is Google going to put the conference up on their Youtube page? I really want to watch this.

 

[Zeppu]

Anyone wanna (please) take a stab at this?

Should be fun. I'm working on mine:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395895

 

[Hawkian]

They can still choose not to go to a flash website regardless of what they're using. By using the iPhone they have no choice, they just simply can't. You're not making any sense here.

Yeah I don't know how he missed that.

 

[Sh1ner]

Is Google going to put the conference up on their Youtube page? I really want to watch this.

I assume so, the Day 1 part 1 was uploaded about 24 hours ago according to youtube so I assume it will appear soon.

 

[Subliminal]

God I can't upgrade from the Hero until April next year... why do I see spending a shitfuck load of money on a phone in my future?

I'm in the same boat as you.

I've been shafted by htc and google and now have to shell out for a sim free phone


I'll get the one - after the Incredible. (wasn't there a 1.5ghz, 2.2 device leaked before?)

 

[jdub03]

They can still choose not to go to a flash website regardless of what they're using. By using the iPhone they have no choice, they just simply can't. You're not making any sense here.

Yeah I know he keeps saying he's not a fanboy but the nonsense he's spewing sure does make him look like one.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Since I use the Nexus as my Blackberry for work, This news makes me decide to keep it..:

Exchange support
Improved security with the addition of numeric pin or alpha-numeric password options to unlock device. Exchange administrators can enforce password policy across devices.

Remote wipe: Exchange administrators can remotely reset the device to factory defaults to secure data in case device is lost or stolen.

Exchange Calendars are now supported in the Calendar application.

Auto-discovery: you just need to know your user-name and password to easily set up and sync an Exchange account (available for Exchange 2007 and higher).

Global Address Lists look-up is now available in the Email application, enabling users to auto-complete recipient names from the directory.

 

[VanMardigan]

I assume so, the Day 1 part 1 was uploaded about 24 hours ago according to youtube so I assume it will appear soon.

An iPhone fanboy trumpeting the need for choice by slamming the OPTION of flash on a phone is just about as hypocritical as you can get. That line about using flash on a desktop as true choice was especially cringeworthy.

 

[Zeppu]

I'm in the same boat as you.

I've been shafted by htc and google and now have to shell out for a sim free phone


I'll get the one - after the Incredible. (wasn't there a 1.5ghz, 2.2 device leaked before?)

HTC's probably gonna be leaking like a fucking sieve over the next couple of months after this.

I bet we'll be getting two decent phones around October/November with 2.2 and current(ish) hardware. That'll be just before Gingerbread.

Next proper upgrade will probably be with phones in March next year. I'm betting we'll have awesome Gingerbread enabled phones with a new Sense and powerful (Moorestown?) cpus which would be able to run blazingly fast.

Android is seriously amazing me because every iteration seems to be getting faster even on the same hardware. Vanilla 2.1 is freakishly fast on the Hero (Sense UI does kick it in the balls though) and FroYo should further improve on that.

 

[borghe]

Yeah I don't know how he missed that.

because for the layman out there, they have no idea what a "flash site" is. hell, I guarantee people right here in this thread have used a navigation that they thought was flash but wasn't, or vice versa. it's not like there is some clear de facto identifier of a flash site or not (aside from it not working, which was kind of my point). For the choice you guys are suggesting to be real, it would require something as ridiculous as johnnybryce posted "Hey guys this is a flash site are you REALLY sure you want to go here!!???". Of course that's stupid, and thus there is no indication to people that, "hey, this site uses flash, do you want to see the non-flash version?" and thus no choice. You can argue the merits of including it or not and it's an argument based 100% in opinion.. I absolutely acknowledge that. But factually there is no consumer choice and this is not built on consumer choice. arguing for either of those points is just stupid. in the end it will sell more units. My only hope is that it will at best slow down Flash's decline on the web and not actually stabilize or reverse it.

anyway, this is a google thread, not adobe thread.. sorry about that. I'm done just get fired up when people say "god google's awesome for giving people the choice that evil apple took away from them!!!" or such. android is a great OS and should be praised on the merits and innovation to the smartphone world. It just seems asinine to include an aged and dying development platform as one of those innovations. :\

hooray VP8, WebM and Android 2.2!

An iPhone fanboy trumpeting the need for choice by slamming the OPTION of flash on a phone is just about as hypocritical as you can get. That line about using flash on a desktop as true choice was especially cringeworthy.

I never said I anything about a need for choice. Get your head out of your ass. I love the competition brought by Android. I just want to see Flash die a horrible death. Check your fanboy war at the door. so being anti-flash now automatically promotes someone as an apple fanboy? jesus christ.

 

[SimleuqiR]

HTC's probably gonna be leaking like a fucking sieve over the next couple of months after this.

I bet we'll be getting two decent phones around October/November with 2.2 and current(ish) hardware. That'll be just before Gingerbread.

Next proper upgrade will probably be with phones in March next year. I'm betting we'll have awesome Gingerbread enabled phones with a new Sense and powerful (Moorestown?) cpus which would be able to run blazingly fast.

Android is seriously amazing me because every iteration seems to be getting faster even on the same hardware. Vanilla 2.1 is freakishly fast on the Hero (Sense UI does kick it in the balls though) and FroYo should further improve on that.

2X-5X speed improvement is not bad at all. This should give older hardware a bit more life.

 

[andycapps]

because for the layman out there, they have no idea what a "flash site" is. hell, I guarantee people right here in this thread have used a navigation that they thought was flash but wasn't, or vice versa. it's not like there is some clear de facto identifier of a flash site or not (aside from it not working, which was kind of my point). For the choice you guys are suggesting to be real, it would require something as ridiculous as johnnybryce posted "Hey guys this is a flash site are you REALLY sure you want to go here!!???". Of course that's stupid, and thus there is no indication to people that, "hey, this site uses flash, do you want to see the non-flash version?" and thus no choice. You can argue the merits of including it or not and it's an argument based 100% in opinion.. I absolutely acknowledge that. But factually there is no consumer choice and this is not built on consumer choice. arguing for either of those points is just stupid. in the end it will sell more units. My only hope is that it will at best slow down Flash's decline on the web and not actually stabilize or reverse it.

anyway, this is a google thread, not adobe thread.. sorry about that. just get fired up when people say "god google's awesome for giving people the choice that evil apple took away from them!!!" or such. android is a great OS and should be praised on the merits and innovation to the smartphone world. It just seems asinine to include an aged and dying development platform as one of those innovations. :\

I think you're still missing the forest for the trees. I don't see why a simple option can't be in the settings to default to a non-flash site if one is available but to use flash if one is not. Or if you REALLY like the Apple way, which is no flash at all, then you could just disable Flash and then you have choice, the Apple way.

And yeah, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you that Flash needs to die a horrible death, but most people, myself included, would prefer to access a site that uses Flash than not be able to view it at all. The minimal hit it's going to take on my battery versus the wifi, GPS, surfing on the internet, or playing games is really not going to be that substantial.

 

[Subliminal]

2X-5X speed improvement is not bad at all. This should give older hardware a bit more life.

But its a question of whether HTC can be bothered to do it for no money.

 

[Ermac]

When today is Froyo dropping for the N1? I bought your betaphone Google, give me froyo!!

 

[kaching]

It just seems asinine to include an aged and dying development platform as one of those innovations. :\

Yeah, HTML and Javascipt are getting long in the tooth.

 

[Zeppu]

2X-5X speed improvement is not bad at all. This should give older hardware a bit more life.

Yep sucks in a way cause I've been waiting for my Hero update for ages and that's just for 2.1. Now that it's really close to coming out all this FroYo stuff starts turning up which means I have to wait aaaages for an official 2.2. Mainly because HTC have to rewire everything with Sense UI. I think if a good vanilla rom appears I'll manage to ditch Sense UI. Some of the launcher apps I've seen from the Tasty Desserts thread look brilliant.

 

[borghe]

I think you're still missing the forest for the trees. I don't see why a simple option can't be in the settings to default to a non-flash site if one is available but to use flash if one is not. Or if you REALLY like the Apple way, which is no flash at all, then you could just disable Flash and then you have choice, the Apple way.

yes, that would be an actual choice. however that doesn't exist, and thus there is no choice.

as for me liking the "apple way", considering I was doing that long before I ever got an iphone (i.e. not installing flash on my PC) again I don't get how being anti-flash now suddenly makes someone an apple fanboy. tons of people have hated flash since long before apple ever made a circus event out of it.

Yeah, HTML and Javascipt are getting long in the tooth.

oh come on now.....

 

[VanMardigan]

I think I dislike flash as much as the next guy, but there is a special level of hatred for flash that seems exclusive to jobs followers. Its the "flash ran over my dog, lets kill it NOW" attitude that you have to absolutely question the source, which most often eminates from those who drink the apple kool aid.

 

[kaching]

I think you're still missing the forest for the trees.

He's not missing anything, he's just towing a line.

oh come on now.....

Not a fan of sarcasm, I guess.

 

[Bboy AJ]

When today is Froyo dropping for the N1? I bought your betaphone Google, give me froyo!!

No news as of yet.

Streaming music is on FroYo, right? That's my biggest wow!

 

[giga]

I think I dislike flash as much as the next guy, but there is a special level of hatred for flash that seems exclusive to jobs followers. Its the "flash ran over my dog, lets kill it NOW" attitude that you have to absolutely question the source, which most often eminates from those who drink the apple kool aid.

Jobs followers? More like Mac OS and Linux users. Shit is terrible.

 

[andycapps]

yes, that would be an actual choice. however that doesn't exist, and thus there is no choice.

as for me liking the "apple way", considering I was doing that long before I ever got an iphone (i.e. not installing flash on my PC) again I don't get how being anti-flash now suddenly makes someone an apple fanboy. tons of people have hated flash since long before apple ever made a circus event out of it.

Well the "Apple way" with Flash and with a lot of their decisions is that they're going to make a decision, and that is just the way it is with their hardware. They make the decision for the end user, or remove that decision so it's not even on the table. So you deciding not to install Flash on your PC is entirely up to you.

And I didn't know that Flash wouldn't be there as an option on Android 2.2.. Seems like something they can add to make people like you happy that aren't interested in it. FWIW, people that saw the Flash demonstration today at the conference said it ran pretty smoothly, which isn't bad for beta software.

 

[VanMardigan]

Jobs followers? More like Mac OS and Linux users. Shit is terrible.

And since Linux users are such a small group, I think saying Jobs followers is accurate.

Edit: don't you have to install flash 10.1 separately anyway? Why is this option a bad deal? Did everyone miss yesterday's announcements or something?

 

[borghe]

I think I dislike flash as much as the next guy, but there is a special level of hatred for flash that seems exclusive to jobs followers. Its the "flash ran over my dog, lets kill it NOW" attitude that you have to absolutely question the source, which most often eminates from those who drink the apple kool aid.

I would say there's a special level of hatred for it reserved for developers also..... of which I'm one of. it was a necessary evil 10 years ago when a dynamic HTML meant at best rollovers and basic animation. video streaming????? YEAH RIGHT! It had it's required uses. But he majority of those uses IMHO (the navigation ones) have been gone for around 5-6 years now, and the video ones have been starting to dwindle over the past 18 months. And yet it's viewed as a major success when the technology is introduced to a platform. Seems like a valid annoyance to me, especially when the wife bitches about not being able to play farmville on her iphone and knowing "Yeah, there's really no reason this piece of shit needs to be in flash today"

He's not missing anything, he's just towing a line.

a line I've been towing proudly for 5+ years on here. Look through my post history, I promise you there are plenty of instances of me bashing flash long before the introduction of the iphone, and certainly LONG before I got my first iphone last june.

 

[Zeppu]

How can anyone hate flash?! It gave us many wonderful things! Like Homestarrunner and Weebl. And who could forget Nanaca Crash! or Hapland? The Impossible Quiz wouldn't have been possible and neither would we have ever smacked penguins away with a yeti were it not for Flash.

Flash is awesome.

 

[VanMardigan]

Seems like a valid annoyance to me, especially when the wife bitches about not being able to play farmville on her iphone and knowing "Yeah, there's really no reason this piece of shit needs to be in flash"

Your wife shouldn't have to suffer your personal vendettas (or Jobs'). Get her an Android phone big guy.

 

[Subliminal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Bir6OldNM


OH MY GOD YES PLEASE BE TRUE

 

[borghe]

Your wife shouldn't have to suffer your personal vendettas (or Jobs'). Get her an Android phone big guy.

doubt she's a big enough farmville addict to take that big of a downgrade....




I kid I kid

Spoiler

sort of.. IMHO and all that

 

[SimleuqiR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Bir6OldNM


OH MY GOD YES PLEASE BE TRUE

Hello nurse!

 

[radioheadrule83]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Bir6OldNM

OH MY GOD YES PLEASE BE TRUE

He might be running a vanilla build included with the new SDK or something... it wouldn't surprise me if it crashes the moment you try and do anything hardware specific (camera etc) and if it generally runs like ass.

Hopefully people at XDA Developers do a port pretty quickly though. Some of the 2.2 features are just too damn hot not to have

 

[hope32]

I would say there's a special level of hatred for it reserved for developers also..... of which I'm one of. it was a necessary evil 10 years ago when a dynamic HTML meant at best rollovers and basic animation. video streaming????? YEAH RIGHT! It had it's required uses. But he majority of those uses IMHO (the navigation ones) have been gone for around 5-6 years now, and the video ones have been starting to dwindle over the past 18 months. And yet it's viewed as a major success when the technology is introduced to a platform. Seems like a valid annoyance to me, especially when the wife bitches about not being able to play farmville on her iphone and knowing "Yeah, there's really no reason this piece of shit needs to be in flash today"


a line I've been towing proudly for 5+ years on here. Look through my post history, I promise you there are plenty of instances of me bashing flash long before the introduction of the iphone.

Why are you getting so worked up about Andriod getting Flash then? Like it would somehow extend the life of Flash for 5+ years or something.

You deny being an Apple fanboy but your post about Apple giving more "choice" and the constant illogical posts really show your true colors.

There's nothing worse than a fanboy who doesn't know they're one.

 

[kaching]

a line I've been towing proudly for 5+ years on here. Look through my post history, I promise you there are plenty of instances of me bashing flash long before the introduction of the iphone, and certainly LONG before I got my first iphone last june.

I'm not talking about flash bashing, I'm talking about the rhetoric you keep towing for why we need to actively get rid of it.

 

[Mudkips]

stuff

 

[borghe]

You deny being an Apple fanboy but your post about Apple giving more "choice" and the constant illogical posts really show your true colors.

where did I say they were giving you a choice? I said "technically it's more of a choice" but never did I commend them or applaud them for doing anything like that. hmm.. what's more annoying? The apple fanboys who became anti-flash because apple made it cool or the android people accusing everyone who hates flash of being an apple fanboy. nope, they're both equally annoying.

I'm not talking about flash bashing, I'm talking about the rhetoric you keep towing for why we need to actively get rid of it.

eh, I don't get how equally or more capable technologies based on open and readily available standards is rhetoric. to each their own though. my thought is that once WebM takes off (wait, I thought I was anti-google????) the need or desire for flash in a mobile device will probably be cut down by over 50%. as both iphone and android app stores continue to grow, that should polish off the remaining 50ish%... no need to get salty.

edit - and I'm really really really done on this subject. hooray google. hooray android (for competition and innovation). hooray chrome. hooray VP8. Hooray free web fonts. Hooray our google overlords. Fuck flash.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Yeah that Hero build is nothing to get too excited about:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6539313&postcount=28

 

[Tworak]

Yeah that Hero build is nothing to get too excited about:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6539313&postcount=28

aww

 

[Macho Madness]

I got an advance look at Google’s latest treat for Android phones, Android 2.2 (more deliciously known as Froyo) on the Nexus One. Announced this morning at Google I/O in San Franisco, the update will initially be available to Motorola Droid and Nexus One owners in June. Android users will definitely be happy with this update, which delivers faster performance, tethering/mobile hotspot and of course, Flash support.

So, Droid and Nexus should get the update in June. June 1st maybe???

 

[VanMardigan]

June is no good. I need this today.

 

[andycapps]

edit - and I'm really really really done on this subject. hooray google. hooray android (for competition and innovation). hooray chrome. hooray VP8. Hooray free web fonts. Hooray our google overlords. Fuck flash.

That's more like it. :lol Actually yeah, I can't wait until flash is completely done.. But I'll take the flash support until it's completely gone.

 

[hope32]

where did I say they were giving you a choice? I said "technically it's more of a choice" but never did I commend them or applaud them for doing anything like that. hmm.. what's more annoying? The apple fanboys who became anti-flash because apple made it cool or the android people accusing everyone who hates flash of being an apple fanboy. nope, they're both equally annoying.

It's not "technically" more of a choice.. it's not a choice period. This is where your fanboy mindset comes in and why everyone else can see it but you can't. You rationalize something to fit your viewpoint but it doesn't make sense.

I don't think most people care about "anit-flash" or "pro-flash" like you believe. Most people who have Andriod phones are just glad to hear they can visit any website on the internet without someone saying if they're allowed to or not. Or "choice."

Btw, I have a Blackberry and love it, so I'm not really an "Andriod" person or even an Apple hater like you want to believe.

 

[Polari]

I'll probably get Google TV once no-name Chinese manufacturers are knocking them out for $50 a pop.

It's going to be interesting to see the effect this has on the next Xbox. Microsoft must be shitting themselves. Google are hitting them on every front.