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GOP to try to repeal and replace Obamacare after republican party reconciliation
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Darryl M R
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Sure, take another legislative L.
Transistor
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If a single person will lose coverage because of this, it will lose. Simple as that
ElectricBlanketFire
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Preserving bans on discrimination?
GOP will never pass it.
GOP will never pass it.
GoldenEye 007
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I thought the reconciliation deadline passed already. What is the actual date?
RPGCrazied
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If its the same plan it will fail again. No moderate Republican will vote for this, specially if the freedom caucus gets what it wants.
Aaronrules380
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I mean, isn't it impossible for them to pass it now without democratic votes since they can no longer use the budget reconciliation to force a vote with a simple majority? What's the point of even trying now lol
BoogieWoogie
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Blame the Democrats when the vote fails instead of their own in-fighting? That's all I got.
benicillin
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I don't see how any of them can look at the results of the special elections so far and have a moderate Republican *not* worry about their seat in the midterms.
I was wondering this too. Dems want single payer and that's all they will vote for.
Saucycarpdog
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Their final revised version, which basically tore out every single popular provision to get appeal from the freedom party, couldn't pass, what could they possibly do different this time?
Four_Chamber
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Since they can't use reconciliation, they'd need 60 votes to get this to pass.
No chance in hell this will get through the Senate even if it gets through the process of placating the cluster that is the House GOP.
No chance in hell this will get through the Senate even if it gets through the process of placating the cluster that is the House GOP.
Patients will illnesses who would get segregated into high-risk pools because of this new health plan are basically getting condemned to a life of fear and poverty because their plans would be caught in a spiral, no? And the rest of us would get sold "too good to be true" plans because the mandatory minimum coverage requirements would get removed. It sounds awful at first blush. This is a "moderate-friendly" solution?
If true, the OEP this year is going to be such a clusterfuck. As someone who works in health insurance IT, this is the time of year where insurance companies are trying to come up with rates to offer for on-Exchange plans. Those plan rating details (which are incredibly complex) need to be hashed out early enough in the year so they can be loaded into Federal/State Exchanges with enough time for the companies to verify everything has been loaded correctly.
If there is no clear guidance on what EHB's are even required at this point, or if they will change from state to state, issuers will potentially have to make massive actuarial changes to their plan data if their are regulatory changes. If Republicans try to make any of these changes effective this year, I am positive they will completely destroy Issuers ability to logically price any of their rates for 2018.
There are valid critiques about how the democrats handled the ACA but the Republicans have proven themselves to be intellectually dishonest and destructive participants of crafting health insurance legislation.
If there is no clear guidance on what EHB's are even required at this point, or if they will change from state to state, issuers will potentially have to make massive actuarial changes to their plan data if their are regulatory changes. If Republicans try to make any of these changes effective this year, I am positive they will completely destroy Issuers ability to logically price any of their rates for 2018.
There are valid critiques about how the democrats handled the ACA but the Republicans have proven themselves to be intellectually dishonest and destructive participants of crafting health insurance legislation.
It's so weird trying to have the House start this discussion because when it reaches the Senate, it's deader than a door nail. If Republicans want to have any sort of appeal, it'll have to start there with McConnell and Schumer negotiating something together so there would be some bipartisan deal that can muster some votes.
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ElectricBlanketFire
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Also, I was told in the last thread by a few people they couldn't try to pass a new bill until around midterms. What changed?
Aaronrules380
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It's irrelevant since they now need democrats as well since we're past budget reconciliation
Spehornoob
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Wait, has there actually been talk of a government shutdown?
When the Republicans control every wing of the government?
Oh my.
When the Republicans control every wing of the government?
Oh my.
reconciliation would/is going to be a shit show and i think the intent of the party's leadership is to try to use that to force democrats to the table
my hope is that, instead, democrats force the GOP to own said shit show
They start from there and then try to find things to cut further.
Remember, their code word is access, for it gives the illusion of freedom, of choice, and accessibility.
They want to actually offer none of those things.
Aaronrules380
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I mean they can try, they just have no chance in hell of succeeding.
ryutaro's mama
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Who knew all this winning could be so complicated?
RPGCrazied
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Let them pass this, then get slaughtered in mid terms. I dare them to pass this.
Dead Prince
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i can't take all this winning.
balladofwindfishes
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There were rumors the original bill was going to fail by over 100 votes, so they're going to need a bit more than 20 addition votes to pass.
This bill is disliked by 75% of people. After the last two weeks of elections, Republicans in districts where they only win by 5-10 points are not going to want to vote on something so hated by their constituents.
Especially since the vote would be nothing more than symbolic, as they still need Democrat senators to vote on this to pass the senate.
It's a party where a large majority of their voters vote against their own best interests.
If anything, doing tons of harm to their electorate will only serve to strengthen their party.
See, what a lot of people don't get is that there are really multiple Republican parties within the main party, and they don't have much in common other than being general shitheels.
Too bad for all of them when this crashes and burns again they'll all get the blame (hopefully).
Surely something has to break the camels back, they can't be that dense. Isn't it obvious.
Historically, politicians do actually try to accomplish what they promised to do, and the GOP had promised to "repeal Obamacare" for years and years. So trying to tilt at windmills one more time isn't that surprising considering their rhetoric.
But I remain unconvinced the GOP will ever be able to craft some major health care overhaul that could get through both the House and Senate.
Without the reconciliation loophole I do wonder if they'd seriously aim for this. Part of the problem for them with the original AHCA failure is it never got to a vote and could only be blamed on Republicans.
With the Democrats in Senate able to block, the GOP can go back to Obama era pushing of repeals they don't have to worry about actually happening. All the buzz of "keeping promises" and repealing Obamacare without having to actually worry about the backlash it would generate.
Dude Abides
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I think it's bad word choice in the article. I think it means the GOP's factions are reconciling, not that they will try to pass it through the reconciliation process.
balladofwindfishes
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BoogieWoogie
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It is actually sort of possible if they do what they seem to be suggesting here: leave even more of the original law up to the states.
As I understand it, tax reform is much harder than health care reform with a lot more moving parts involved. It took Reagan until his second term to finally get tax reform passed, that's how hard it was. So I don't see how it'll be possible, especially without the budget "savings" made possible by throwing millions of people off health insurance.
OG Shaka Zulu
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These assholes need to get over undoing Obama and look forward.
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