Got an F on a college essay for swearing?

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Best thing about doing science in college is that you don't have to write essays. Fuck that nonsense.

Wheeeeeee

Aren't college essays supposed to be rather objective and provide "facts"?
Swearwords are mostly used to emphasize subjective feelings and have therefore nothing to do in a college essay imo.

Eh, lots of papers should be about interpretation. But people generally adopt a reserved tone, because the academy's institutional history is that we're a bunch of somber monks trying to find good knowledge. It's more a problem because he fundamentally misjudged his audience in a really massive way, then complained about it.

This thread shows how idealistic understandings of 'censorship' can play havoc. There's nuance and then there's this.

Edit: 100% what EvilLore said. And anyway, even if you could achieve 'true' creative freedom (free from what, and how, it doesn't mean anyone wants/needs to pay attention, and it doesn't make it 'good' by default. Or even comprehensible, actually. But that's art, not academic writing.

He had total and unrestricted freedom with that paper. It's not censorship to give a paper an F. No one is telling him he can't talk about his innovative take on The Necklace.
 
Was just thinking this too. I can remember doing those in middle school. Shit, even before that if you count book reports.

The first paper in my 101 class was a boilerplate 5 paragraph essay. I assume it's to gauge where the students writing skills are at and to transition you into the more rigorous essays that you will be writing in college.
 
You know you've fucked up when the mods and Evilore join the rest of the mob to pile on you.

OP, on the flipside I'm almost certain your next written assessment is going to be awesome.
 
The first paper in my 101 class was a boilerplate 5 paragraph essay. I assume it's to gauge where the students writing skills are at and to transition you into the more rigorous essays that you will be writing in college.

It's mostly because they are easy to grade and because standardized tests use them. The approach isn't that bad in itself, though it's obviously not good, but somehow students have this format hammered into them so much that they have an incredibly hard time deviating from it in the manner that decent writing requires.
 
Artistic expression throughout human history has thrived within the constraints of censorship, peer review, and cultural acceptability rather than absolute freedom. Leonardo and Michelangelo took patronage from the Catholic Church under myriad requirements and expectations. Dickens, Dostoevsky, Dumas, and many others among history's most celebrated authors published their great works in serialized format subject to strict censorship and relentless pressure to maintain audience engagement from one chapter to the next. All of our celebrated films and TV series and video games were creatively beholden to numerous masters, from ratings boards to financiers to consumer reception to Metacritic scores.

Fewer rigid constraints exist for typical creatives today, but it's no less important than it has ever been to adapt to whatever parameters you're presented with and excel in that space. Take ownership of that space. Even if you manage to find a Patreon audience keen on throwing money at you for being you in all your brilliant unfiltered fuckery, if you let your ego take the wheel and ignore your audience and your platform, eventually you'll change and alienate them or they'll change and alienate you, or likely both, and you'll be able to pat yourself on the back for how real you are to an empty room of no one gives a damn.

Adapt to your circumstances. Know your audience. Deliver accordingly. Creative expression isn't just a matter of shitting out whatever's in your head unapologetically and expecting a reward for it. You're not grading yourself or paying yourself at any point in this journey. Your prof graded you an F and you self-graded an A? More concisely: you got an F. Work toward the real A instead of sheltering your ego from the reality of your failure.

This. This is good.
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Was for me. What would be the point in writing an essay in a science course?

It'd be a great way to get students engaged with the history and philosophy of science. Moreover, it'd be a great way to push the average natural science students to be able to write above a 6th grade level. Science is interpretive as much as people like to pretend it's not. Writing is a good way to develop the framework of one's thought. The requirements of clear communication ensure that ideas are connected and used in their proper places, as opposed to a big jumble of random loosely, and generally implicitly, connected thoughts.
 
Essay?

I've seen more content in ebay listings.

You're not being "censored". You're quite rightly being chastised for the quality of your overall work.

Grow up and start being serious about what you claim is the thing that will sustain you through your life.
 
It'd be a great way to get students engaged with the history and philosophy of science. Moreover, it'd be a great way to push the average natural science students to be able to write above a 6th grade level. Science is interpretive as much as people like to pretend it's not.

When you are snowed under with 50 page lab reports, it would be a massive waste of time to have to write nonsense about your thoughts and feelings on history of science. Also, almost all science documents are written in an impersonal tense, developing a writing style is also pointless.
 
Just talk to her and let her know that no one has before told you that that language in an essay is unacceptable. As well as mention that neither she nor the materials she provided to you informed you of that either. Let her know you'll be glad to censor the essay if she will regrade it without penalty.

Or tell her to go fuck herself.
 
When you are snowed under with 50 page lab reports, it would be a massive waste of time to have write nonsense about your thoughts and feelings on history of science.

Oh bullshit. As an English major turned into the sciences, it is just more concise. You still need to know the fundamentals of good writing.
 
When you are snowed under with 50 page lab reports, it would be a massive waste of time to have write nonsense about your thoughts and feelings on history of science.

Writing more could also help you see that such charged words are cheap rhetorical tricks that anyone with half a mind can see through.

Berating thoughts is funny though. What do you think science is, does it not involve thinking? Are you a human machine devoid of any ability to critically understand anything around you?

Lay people that fancy themselves scientists, and to a lesser extent actual scientists, thinking it's a waste of time to be aware of the history and philosophy of science and math is a major part of why the general understanding of those fields is so piss poor, and part of the reason why many in those fields, though mathematicians are usually better, have no idea how to situate their ideas and work in a broader framework.
 
Just talk to her and let her know that no one has before told you that that language in an essay is unacceptable. As well as mention that neither she nor the materials she provided to you informed you of that either. Let her know you'll be glad to censor the essay if she will regrade it without penalty.

Or tell her to go fuck herself.

Don't do this.

It looks to me like you wrote an F essay full of conjecture and few examples of textual support and the coarse language was just icing on the cake.
 
It'll pass in time OP. The cultural stigma of all words that aren't used as slurs will die out as more kids grow up with phones and data and wi-fi.
 
I sort of needed this thread myself today. Not for the same reason, but just gotta learn how to take my lumps better and deliver to my audience.
 
Oh bullshit. As an English major turned into the sciences, it is just more concise. You still need to know the fundamentals of good writing.

I mean I think it's undeniable that the Humanities and the Social Sciences require significantly higher levels of writing skill, but that's mostly because scientists as a rule lean too heavily on their methodology. Humanists and Social Scientists generally have to make much more explicit arguments in their work, and that ends up being most of what papers in these fields are. Of course I think scientists could stand to do better on this front, but that's an institutional failing.

It'll pass in time OP. The cultural stigma of all words that aren't used as slurs will die out as more kids grow up with phones and data and wi-fi.

Don't think of it as cultural stigma, think of it as the OP fundamentally not understanding what the project is and then failing it because of that. You have to write for your audience. Drunkenly writing whatever comes to mind isn't doing that very well.
 
Writing more could also help you see that such charged words are cheap rhetorical tricks that anyone with half a mind can see through.

Berating thoughts is funny though. What do you think science is, does it not involve thinking? Are you a human machine devoid of any ability to critically understand anything around you?

Critical thinking is essential in science, obviously. You develop this skill when you are interpreting data that you obtained in your lab. Your job is then to deliver this data as clearly and precisely as you can. Natural writing skills can help, especially if you are writing an academic paper (some are better than others at this), but a writing class in a science course is a waste of time/resources that would be better spent elsewhere. In my experience in both writing and correcting reports, most scientists possess a high enough average intelligence to get their point across sufficiently enough.
 
Was for me. What would be the point in writing an essay in a science course?

The ability to write well is generally a useful skill in life. If you pursue a career in science, you'd be surprised at how much day-to-day writing you have to do, whether its grant/research proposals, academic papers, reports, technical documentation, etc. The ability to write well and communicate to other scientists and administrators is often under-appreciated.
 
Have you read his subsequent posts? I don't really get the feeling he takes this ordeal to heart. 2 hours in total for a paper? lol

I live in hope.

Regardless, 13 pages of savagery is probably enough, no?

He's getting mauled because he is proud of his F

He was getting mauled well before that. We had people on the first page requesting the entire paper in the incredibly transparent hope that there'd be more things to make fun of in it.
 
Was just thinking this too. I can remember doing those in middle school. Shit, even before that if you count book reports.

Yeah, this thread has blown my mind a few times. The basic 5 paragraph essay was literally fourth grade.
EDIT: And I don't post this to dogpile on the OP, I think they've gotten the picture by now, but rather just that I think it's kind of crazy that such basic essays are a thing in any college, either that or there was a RUUUUDE awakening on that front too. I went to community college to start with and even there I don't think I wrote anything I would consider an 'essay' or 'paper' that was shorter than a 10 pages or so. I can't imagine trying to bang one out in 2 hours, and considering that anything but the most hacked up rushjob in the world, and I'm an obscene procrastinator who often wrote papers the night they were due - it was still usually an all nighter though.
 
People still write 5 paragraph essays in college? That shit is like training wheels for academic writing.

You want talk about academic whiplash? The five paragraph method was taught all throughout high school where I'm at and then you get to college and you're tasked with a 8-10 page paper right out of the gate.
 
Critical thinking is essential in science, obviously.

I wonder what the most distilled form of critical thinking as practice is.

You develop this skill when you are interpreting data that you obtained in your lab.

That's a very basic part of critical thinking. You've observed something. You now have a fact, and maybe an extrapolation. Going further with that is the core of good thinking.

Your job is then to deliver this data as clearly and precisely as you can.

Ah, the great lie of the natural sciences, well and economists. Your job is to convince people to believe what you want them to believe. The difference between a historian and a scientist on this issue is that historians have to make their arguments clear. Scientists generally do not because they lean on implicit ideas about their methodology much more heavily. The fact that scientists can do this obscures what their goal actually is. It also is a major explanation for why so many scientists understanding of the philosophy of science is bafflingly horrible.

Natural writing skills can help, especially if you are writing an academic paper (some are better than others at this)

The bolded is the absolute core of what it means to be a scientist.


but a writing class in a science course is a waste of time/resources that would be better spent elsewhere.

You haven't made an argument for this. You've just relied on the implicit one, though I suppose you actually made it explicit, that writing is stupid and pointless.

If I understand what you mean by "writing class", then I'm also against it because I don't believe writing should be taught in isolation from other things. Good writing is inherently contextual, and thus differs greatly. But that's an argument for science instruction to involve more, not less, writing exercises.

Of course this is all still ignoring the fact that you think the history, and maybe philosophy you just ignored that one, of Science is based on "nonsense about your thoughts and feelings".

I get that you're a lay person and shouldn't be taken as indicative of the field you studied as an undergraduate, but this blind superiority complex is a massive problem. Ironically just as much for the natural sciences as for everyone else.

This knowledge makes me profoundly sad.

Did it drive you to drink? Because it would definitely drive me to drink.

I can only grade when drinking.

What "science" are you talking about?

All vaguely defined "science" is the same don't ya know. I mean don't ever ask a chemist what his method is as a physicist because that won't end well, but I'm sure they are all the exact same.
 
The ability to write well is generally a useful skill in life. If you pursue a career in science, you'd be surprised at how much day-to-day writing you have to do, whether its grant/research proposals, academic papers, reports, technical documentation, etc. The ability to write well and communicate to other scientists and administrators is often under-appreciated.

You should have to. I had to. And grade them.
Written communication is pretty important in scientific, or any field really.

Ok, maybe you aren't writing essays, but I had to do plenty of writing in my Comp. Sci. program.

Getting to learn how to write a proper scientific article?

All skills you learn over time. You will read a tonne of academic research papers in your time which will more than prepare you to begin to write one. Corrections from supervisors whip you into shape usually. Like I said, most scientists at this level can write at a decent enough level anyway.

What "science" are you talking about?

I did an honours degree in Chemistry, followed by a PhD in Materials Chemistry. I now work as a development scientist in the plastics/paint industry.
 
Reading this thread made me realize that I haven't had to write a research paper in over three years. Post-school life is aiight.

I have to make cartoons and shit on time though, so that sense of being overwhelmed all the time by what's required of me is still there.
 
In my experience only old dudes with a stick up their butt about oxbridge care about using the first person. It clearly has a specific effect, and when that effect is the intention it's a useful move.



I don't care that much about tone, but the essay is bad, trivial in its content, and reads like he spent 45 minutes writing it while drunk.

I guess then my opinion makes sense since I was trained by one of them XD. I totally agree with you. However, the advice I give my ESL students is to avoid it unless an assignment explicitly requires them to either state their opinion or personal experience. That's mostly when it comes to academic English exams though, as the students I have are mostly interested in taking those (ie IELTS).

Also, I agree with you on the other part, but what the OP brought up was language and that's why I did not address anything else.
 
Reading your examples OP, I'm a bit disappointed. I was hoping for something like this:

"Shit, a unilateral understanding of contemporary discourse of elderly care is fucking essential."
 
All skills you learn over time. You will read a tonne of academic research papers in your time which will more than prepare you to begin to write one. Corrections from supervisors whip you into shape usually. Like I said, most scientists at this level can write at a decent enough level anyway.



I did an honours degree in Chemistry, followed by a PhD in Materials Chemistry. I now work as a development scientist in the plastics/paint industry.
Are you stealth bragging on a thread about a freshman?
 
I get that you're a lay person and shouldn't be taken as indicative of the field you studied as an undergraduate, but this blind superiority complex is a massive problem. Ironically just as much for the natural sciences as for everyone else.

Perhaps I am? It's irrelevant as I have done well in my field and really enjoy my job, and I am not the only one. You seem to be projecting a lot of your issues with science onto me. I'm not going to attempt to refute them as I have no opinion on these matters.

The bolded is the absolute core of what it means to be a scientist.

You are confusing scientist with academic scientist. I know people that have worked and excelled in the industry that have never published a paper.

Are you stealth bragging on a thread about a freshman?

Stealth bragging? You asked what kind of science I was involved in, I told you.
 
Swearing in an essay is poor form, because in every case where you use swearing, there is a better word. Swear words are easy words and don't show off your written talent.

I do think you shouldn't have gotten an F and I think you should dispute it if the swear words are the only reason. I would chat with your teacher and find out what problems they had with it.

For an F you'd probably need to have a very strange essay structure, poor grammar or failure to cite sources, ect....
 
Reading your examples OP, I'm a bit disappointed. I was hoping for something like this:

"Shit, a unilateral understanding of contemporary discourse of elderly care is fucking essential."

“The moral dampening of Dostoyevsky‘s setting were straight up fucked, shit man.”
 
Writing more could also help you see that such charged words are cheap rhetorical tricks that anyone with half a mind can see through.

Berating thoughts is funny though. What do you think science is, does it not involve thinking? Are you a human machine devoid of any ability to critically understand anything around you?

Lay people that fancy themselves scientists, and to a lesser extent actual scientists, thinking it's a waste of time to be aware of the history and philosophy of science and math is a major part of why the general understanding of those fields is so piss poor, and part of the reason why many in those fields, though mathematicians are usually better, have no idea how to situate their ideas and work in a broader framework.

Agree completely, and thanks for fighting the good fight.

Critical thinking is essential in science, obviously. You develop this skill when you are interpreting data that you obtained in your lab. Your job is then to deliver this data as clearly and precisely as you can. Natural writing skills can help, especially if you are writing an academic paper (some are better than others at this), but a writing class in a science course is a waste of time/resources that would be better spent elsewhere. In my experience in both writing and correcting reports, most scientists possess a high enough average intelligence to get their point across sufficiently enough.

Writing, like speaking and other forms of communication, is a skill that requires practice and refinement, and isn't something that so-called intelligent people can simply get by on. Most scientists are able to get their point across to others not because of their innate intelligence, but because being able to communicate to other people their work is a core part of their job, and by the time they leave graduate school they will have had quite a bit of practice in this.
 
Savage thread.

Learning to take criticism is an important skill to learn at college/university. I spent 4 years doing foundation art and then an illustration degree and a huge portion of that was group critique sessions. Everything you had drawn for the assigned brief was put up in front of the class (20 odd people), you had to explain what you had done and why and then respond as everyone gave you constructive criticism.

It was brutal at times, it's never nice having something you're proud of being ripped apart. One option was to bury your head and insist that they just didn't understand your creative voice, the other option was to learn from the experiences and views of others. Obviously the latter is how you improve, and I did improve.

Various professional courses since university have continued to teach me the value of correct academic writing and once you understand the rules you can excel.
 
Writing, like speaking and other forms of communication, is a skill that requires practice and refinement, and isn't something that so-called intelligent people can simply get by on. Most scientists are about to get their point across to others not because of their innate intelligence, but because being able to communicate to other people their work is a core part of their job, and by the time they leave graduate school they will have had quite a bit of practice in this.

I agree. From pretty much the second week of my science course they had us writing lengthy reports to whip you into shape. I'm not saying writing isn't important, it absolutely is, just that time writing essays is better spent writing lab reports. That's the kind of document that 90% of graduates will spend the rest of their lives writing.

I would drop the holier than thou attitude. You came in refuting writing skills as a success in the sciences. Plural.

Mate your the one that asked what kind of 'science' I do. And I refuted the need to write essays, not all writing. Writing lab reports is a huge part of it and time should, and is, rightly allocated to it.
 
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