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Gran Turismo 5 Super GT League, presented by Mush & the NeoGAF Racing League.
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What's player points? Something similar to BP/PP for ranked mode in SSF4? :/
Honestly, the only thing I want out of GT5 is the leaderboards for the reasonably priced car so it isn't awkward and every GAF person can get in without having to wait for MM to be online (I think that's why the event is so damn dead and I'm the only one hassling for people to do it. :/). Along with A/B-spec EXP increase But if they do weekly seasonals, A isn't going to be a problem. Just slightly time consuming. B-spec is where the problem is without seasonal events. It's just a drag and boring grind. :/
Speaking of which: I need to sit down and practice SSR5Reverse since that's my intro point for the league. Oh boy, I'm going to let Dead Man down since I'm splitting time between GT5 logins, LBP2 community levels and creations and BC2 GAF. hah.
Honestly, the only thing I want out of GT5 is the leaderboards for the reasonably priced car so it isn't awkward and every GAF person can get in without having to wait for MM to be online (I think that's why the event is so damn dead and I'm the only one hassling for people to do it. :/). Along with A/B-spec EXP increase But if they do weekly seasonals, A isn't going to be a problem. Just slightly time consuming. B-spec is where the problem is without seasonal events. It's just a drag and boring grind. :/
Speaking of which: I need to sit down and practice SSR5Reverse since that's my intro point for the league. Oh boy, I'm going to let Dead Man down since I'm splitting time between GT5 logins, LBP2 community levels and creations and BC2 GAF. hah.
InEffectMode
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Yeah, that's just almost about as good a time the car will give you. :[Metalmurphy said:
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Mush said:
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Unless something works out this weekend, that's likely going to be my intro to the league as well. I ran a few laps in my car when I found out I was in.TheSeks said:
Considering I don't even think I'd ran the course at all prior to this, it was a bit of a doosey, but all in all it shouldn't be THAT bad. I am curious what it will be like with a bunch of other drivers at night though. It could get messy.
blu
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If we decided power was crucial (which often it is) we can do power normalization. That is, if the nominal power we are gravitating around is 500, we can use a factor of 500/actual_power_of_the_particular_car, which we then multiply that car's race points by.Mush said:
As good as that sounds I don't think it'll work. Mush will have to do a lot of calculations and there's the problem of BHP fluctuations as well. BHP of the start might be one value and another after the race. And Mush will have to ask every driver what their BHP was as there's no way AFAIK to check this from the lobby.blu said:
There definitely is a difference in power (and torque) in cars, which is also influenced by the fact that the cars are from different years, ie. different regulations. I think I read somewhere that the '06 Fairlady Z is the fastest car out there, but even if you compare the Bandai Lexus and the Eneos Lexus you'll see that they have different aerodynamics - the Eneos is slightly longer and wider than the Bandai.
IMHO, there's nothing that can be done about it since it's all a part of racing - someone always has a better car (unless you're lucky), you just have to try to make up for it by being a better driver. Real-world touring car championships have success ballast - the best drivers get extra weight onboard, it's a shame this can't be done here.
IMHO, there's nothing that can be done about it since it's all a part of racing - someone always has a better car (unless you're lucky), you just have to try to make up for it by being a better driver. Real-world touring car championships have success ballast - the best drivers get extra weight onboard, it's a shame this can't be done here.
ashk said:
yeah but if put a good driver in the best car it's almost impossible to beat him (ferrari f1 2001-2004)
the first round at suzuka I did the cleanest race that day but the gap between my lexus and the GTR was around 2, 3 second per lap ... and it was worse with worn tires, salacious did a lot of mistakes during the race which allowed me to take the lead but he managed to catch up 22 seconds in 5 laps
it's unfair
It's also racing. Maybe look for a better car next season?Toxa said:yeah but if put a good driver in the best car it's almost impossible to beat him (ferrari f1 2001-2004)
the first round at suzuka I did the cleanest race that day but the gap between my lexus and the GTR was around 2, 3 second per lap ... and it was worse with worn tires, salacious did a lot of mistakes during the race which allowed me to take the lead but he managed to catch up 22 seconds in 5 laps
it's unfair
Edit: Maybe that came off a bit harsh, I didn't mean that. Without a power to weight ratio stat for the cars that previous GT's had, and without ballast, which previous GT's had, there is not much to be done about it.
Course Map
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-21 Laps/64.51mi/103.82km
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Preview write-up by Mush
The 3rd round of the NeoGAF Super GT League takes place at Grand Valley Speedway, a staple of the GT series since the very first entry. The circuit is something of a Works burger, featuring a large variety of different sections. Sector 1 starts with a 200kph+ straight, leading uphill into the first corner; a medium-speed hairpin. From there, the speed climbs above 200kph into a sweeping left-right which is very reminiscent of Spa's famous Eau Rouge. The right aero setup is key here, for 2 reasons. Taking the wrong line could send you wide into the Armco, and the hairpin at the end of the straight presents an excellent opportunity to pass. Sector 3 is the slowest section of the track, featuring no less than 3 hairpin-tuns, with the last 2 back-to-back, leading on to the front straight.
With 4 out of the Top 5 positions in the points standings taken by Nissans, the rest of the field have their work cut out. With the Lexus' drivers starting to find their feet, is it too late for the NSX to stage a fight back before the mid-season break?
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gutterboy44
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Nice write up Mush. I am excited for this weekends race at GVS. Need to redeem myself from Suzuka.
Same here. I've been practising a lot more this time and I hope it pays off. As long as I can avoid spinning out in the second hair pin I think I will do all right.
Great preview mush!
Who will race for each team this saturday?
I know Toxa, Gutterboy and h3ro will be racing. Who else?
Edit - Juicy Bob as well it looks like from his post. Ufra too I think.
And Dead Man too?
Ok, so that's:
Angst Team Ni-San
Toxa Capsule Corp Racing
Gutterboy44 Team Gang Green
h3ro Team SMANG
Dead Man (Un)Dead Seks
Juicy Bob Juicy Beef
Ufra Foxtrot Oscar
ashk Flaming Deers
Mush(?) NZGR
MetalMurphy (?) Team TBA
Great preview mush!
Who will race for each team this saturday?
I know Toxa, Gutterboy and h3ro will be racing. Who else?
Edit - Juicy Bob as well it looks like from his post. Ufra too I think.
And Dead Man too?
Ok, so that's:
Angst Team Ni-San
Toxa Capsule Corp Racing
Gutterboy44 Team Gang Green
h3ro Team SMANG
Dead Man (Un)Dead Seks
Juicy Bob Juicy Beef
Ufra Foxtrot Oscar
ashk Flaming Deers
Mush(?) NZGR
MetalMurphy (?) Team TBA
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
I feel dirty knowing my car is inherently faster than some others, especially Toxa's
Metalmurphy
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NSX @ 489 BHP and I'm still doing 1.48s... WTH oO
seattle6418
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In GT4 i´ve done three seasons of JGTC championships over at GTP, and one of the most difficult aspects of the game was balancing the cars.
Some cars were faster than the others even with less HP. The NSX would always be faster than the rest of the pack if it had the same number of HP.
Since the series was done in the arcade mode, we used the + and - values for weight and power, and tested the cars to get equal laptimes.
I don´t know how can this be adressed here, since the options are pretty much slim. Maybe the Lexus can be matched with the GT-R by letting the drivers use engine tuning stage 3? Maybe the NSX can be matched letting the user put chassis rigidity?
I don´t have money to buy the other two right now, but i have a hard time believing the NSX is that slow. This car was always a beast and it´s neutral handling and tire wear always made a difference.
I raced one season with the Xanavi GT-R ´03 and i got murdered with front tire wear, always a problem with those Skylines... i ended up always using mediums up front and softs in the back.
What i´m saying is, there´s a lot of things to consider when "pairing up" the cars. One other solution is to open the selection to the older JGTC cars, to give players more options and maybe not letting the top ranked drivers in season one get those GTR´s.
I think we all be here for season two, so we should use this season to learn and test things so we can have a great season.
I´ll try to do some testing when i´m able to buy the Lexus and the NSX, but in the meantime i´ll test my older JGTC cars to see how they match up.
Some cars were faster than the others even with less HP. The NSX would always be faster than the rest of the pack if it had the same number of HP.
Since the series was done in the arcade mode, we used the + and - values for weight and power, and tested the cars to get equal laptimes.
I don´t know how can this be adressed here, since the options are pretty much slim. Maybe the Lexus can be matched with the GT-R by letting the drivers use engine tuning stage 3? Maybe the NSX can be matched letting the user put chassis rigidity?
I don´t have money to buy the other two right now, but i have a hard time believing the NSX is that slow. This car was always a beast and it´s neutral handling and tire wear always made a difference.
I raced one season with the Xanavi GT-R ´03 and i got murdered with front tire wear, always a problem with those Skylines... i ended up always using mediums up front and softs in the back.
What i´m saying is, there´s a lot of things to consider when "pairing up" the cars. One other solution is to open the selection to the older JGTC cars, to give players more options and maybe not letting the top ranked drivers in season one get those GTR´s.
I think we all be here for season two, so we should use this season to learn and test things so we can have a great season.
I´ll try to do some testing when i´m able to buy the Lexus and the NSX, but in the meantime i´ll test my older JGTC cars to see how they match up.
Mush said:
Who said I was Gryffindor?
My Draco/Harry fanficion writing goes unabated.
Honestly, I'm only in to see if I want to do a league. I haven't done too many clean races and I'm more worried about screwing up people by blocking their lines than I am winning (as I know I have no chance against someone like Crumb).
InEffectMode
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The Epson is completely different from the '06 NSX's. I'd say on average 4-6 seconds slower.Niks said:
Did you add turbo for testing purposes or is this allowed?Toxa said:
seattle6418
Member
But no one would want to play in such a un even field. If some turbo matches up the Lexus with the GTR´s, why not? Something we might consider...
As for oil changes, there´s no way we can do the league without them. If we don´t, the first time we change the old oil we will get the bump over the HP cap.
I kind of like the PP system, as long as it is like in prologue and you can still set up the car.
In GT4 if you were using + and - system you couldn´t set up the car, which is BS.
Using a G25 here, btw.
Now i´m itching to test some things, seeing that things are really all over the place regarding car performance.
As for oil changes, there´s no way we can do the league without them. If we don´t, the first time we change the old oil we will get the bump over the HP cap.
I kind of like the PP system, as long as it is like in prologue and you can still set up the car.
In GT4 if you were using + and - system you couldn´t set up the car, which is BS.
Using a G25 here, btw.
Now i´m itching to test some things, seeing that things are really all over the place regarding car performance.
InEffectMode
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Almost race day. Let's decide on a strategy and team nameMetalmurphy said: