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Gran Turismo 6 Review Thread
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Mohonky
Member
So are they still using PS2 cars? Same ropey crash and collision effects and vacuum sounds. Its one thing to not improve something or add extra features, but to keep using the same broken shit again and again.
If I was Kaz I would be giving them up a kick up the ass and auditing them to find out wtf it is they do and where all the time and money goes.
If I was Kaz I would be giving them up a kick up the ass and auditing them to find out wtf it is they do and where all the time and money goes.
The USGamer review goes into more depth on the MTs.
symmetrical
Member
Yup that person is not remotely interested in cars, reviews a game that is dedicated to people who love cars.
-10 for the human race.
Exactly, the biggest issue I had with Venturebeat's review was that the author didn't even give a crap about learning the terms and details of the game even tho it's available. Wouldn't you at least give it a try? They were lazy fucks. At least put some effort into it. Even a new person might wanna learn a lil bit of the details of a game they never played just outta curiosity.
RPS' review for Barbie Dream House was more informative than Venturebeat's GT6 review.
H3avyM3tal
Banned
I was half joking. but for the past couple of years, I read reviews as essays, and the mark at the end is for the review itself.
i.e. A good review gets a high mark because the writing is somewhat logical, and a bad review gets a low mark, as if the 'teacher' says "try harder next time".
Although it does get harder with the years for me to get a 'point' out of it. So to speak...
Sorry if I'm confusing. I'm just confused.
symmetrical
Member
Yes they are. Still disappointing. But probably like GT5 I'll end up just playing with mostly "premium" cars.
My only problem is people reviewing this game who are obviously and admitently not interested it's genre or premise.
I hate JRPGs. I do not care for Japanese art style or game mechanics. Even if I have amazing writing skills it would not be appropriate for me to review this game.
Reviewing GT is like reviewing a mid range sports car (BRZ, STI, 370z, etc). In order to be a customer of a sports car you have to at least have some interest and knowledge about cars. So when you read a review for a sports car or a game like GT you expect the reviewer to be aware of the same things.
Also can't be bothered to read the description of what a manifold is when you click on the manifold upgrade... come on son, that is like saying you can't be bothered to read the a stop sign when you pull up to an intersection. How do people this lazy get by in life?
I hate JRPGs. I do not care for Japanese art style or game mechanics. Even if I have amazing writing skills it would not be appropriate for me to review this game.
Reviewing GT is like reviewing a mid range sports car (BRZ, STI, 370z, etc). In order to be a customer of a sports car you have to at least have some interest and knowledge about cars. So when you read a review for a sports car or a game like GT you expect the reviewer to be aware of the same things.
Also can't be bothered to read the description of what a manifold is when you click on the manifold upgrade... come on son, that is like saying you can't be bothered to read the a stop sign when you pull up to an intersection. How do people this lazy get by in life?
I disagree. I think it's good to get opinions from all perspectives.
phosphor112
Banned
Dude is part of the game industry and he can't even get the name of the company right.
What kind of shit is this?
MikeE21286
Member
So am I.
I won't afford them a pass this time. Firsr GT I won't buy.
Wake me when a ps4 gran turismo arrives.
djplaeskool
Member
Absolutely.
Then let another n00b reviewer (of that genre) play the game for a little bit and throw in a paragraph about it in the review from an alternate perspective of someone who knows what they're doing.
Would you really take an opinion of someone's critique on a game wholeheartedly if they never played a game before? It'd make a good case study like the Wii, but not something of an opinion enthusiasts and those who want to find in more detail about said game would take seriously.
SolidSnakex
Member
H3avyM3tal
Banned
If I love car games, why should I listen to a review from someone who hates car games?
Also, can someone who just dislikes car games have the same opinion as someone who never tried them?
It just doesn't click with common sense.
symmetrical
Member
Yeah maybe he was playing on one of them Playnation 3s designed by Sonee?
Giant Panda
Member
That Venturebeat review is a disgrace, otherwise about what I expected.
That's his opinion, I want that kind of info. If he felt that the game doesn't do a good job of presenting that info or motivating the players to seek it out, then yeah I don't mind hi voicing his thoughts.
Who cares? If you want a more car/GT enthusiast review, there's a ton out there.
Venturebeat doesn't.
Sure, if you want to take one person's word for it. Instant access to a bunch of different reviews is infinitely better, though.
Whatever man. If you want to base your future purchases based on a streamer, go ahead. I would never do that, but its your money.
jakonovski
Member
Regarding newb friendliness, I started out with GT1 in 98, knowing nothing about cars or racing. The game wasn't any more accessible then. It's just that back then it was normal that you had to put some effort into understanding a complex game. It was part of the experience and what made it so great.
SolidSnakex
Member
Seriously? You want the kind of info in which people review a game and can't be bothered to actually allow the game to explain what certain things mean? This isn't even about car enthusiasts or GT fans. I don't have a single problem with those 5/10 or 6/10, they stated why they don't like it and that's perfectly fine. But that Venture Beat is another beast entirely. It's not helpful on any level to any one.
QuicheFontaine
Member
I actually agree with this, anyone's experience with the game can be interesting to read about. Provided they preface the review with "I'm not an expert / I haven't played many of these games before", something like that. I don't think it's helpful for beginners to make authoritative statements about higher level game-functioning and strategy if they don't know what they're talking about, or to compare it to previous iterations if they haven't played them.
Regarding, the example some people are giving about someone who hates JRPGs reviewing the next Final Fantasy game - well that review could still have value. If they said "Generally I can't stand these types of games, but this one really drew me in because of x,y,z...", I'd read that and it might be useful to me, because I also generally dislike JRPGs. Would it be useful to a big fan of the genre, who played all the previous FF games? No, probably not. But that's not always the target audience.
Edit: I also agree with that post above this one. I'm not talking about lazy reviews, e.g. one where they can't be arsed to check the name of the dev.
Exactly, good comparison there.
"Great Avatar as well! looking forward to our new pitching staff"
No they don't have to toe the line neither does everyone have to agree to every review, but how am I supposed to get an analysis of the game's ins and outs and where its standards are in the broad spectrum of other racing games, if the person doesn't play racing games period and can't be arsed to try and learn?
Nightengale
Member
I also think that a perspective that is taken from the opposite end of the spectrum is ultimately a wasteful effort.
I can understand a reviewer from the perspective of a casual driving gamer, arcade racing gamer, or what-not, and I can understand how Forza gets points from said reviewers because the game is more accessible in their opinion compared to GT. Those are valid perspectives because there is potential for the audience to extend from those titles over to GT/Forza.
But from someone with zero appreciation, or attempt to understand why the the genre is a driving simulator, I do think that it's a perspective that does not give respect to the review of the game.
It's not even constructive from a 'give a complete casual a hardcore experience and let the person know how different it is" perspective. At least those perspective normally entails a casual trying to understand what makes sims different and more hardcore about physics, not a 'I don't care for games like this, and I won't try to understand either."
Agreed. Basic fact checking is appreciated however. Like knowing the name of the developer.
And he didn't bother to read the instruction booklet.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That review wasn't even a very well-considered viewpoint from the perspective of a non-racing fan like myself. It's a waste of time to read. The reviewer didn't even try to understand the sim aspects, they just marked it down. Those sorts of conclusions can be drawn from just staring at the words "racing sim" and putting down the box. It's sloppy, uninformed, clueless writing.
Divergent viewpoints are good, but that VentureBeat review is simply bad writing, undercooked, devoid of any real effort to come to terms with the game or its genre. It helps no one and its silly conclusions do not enlighten us on any aspect of the game. Its different perspective does not excuse the writing for being poor and uninformative of both the game itself and the writer's viewpoint.
That's inexcusable.
H3avyM3tal
Banned
Problem with professional review are just that. Most people treat them as reviews written by experts in gaming. True or false is out of the question here - the uninformed gamer treat them like experts.
SolidSnakex
Member
Have you ever heard about IGN's review of World Soccer Manager 2009? You can see some quotes about it here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344523
I point out quotes that you can read about it instead of the actual review because the review itself no longer exists anymore and IGN even went as far as to apologize to Sega and the readers for the review
http://www.ign.com/articles/2008/12/06/worldwide-soccer-manager-2009-review-removed
The VB review is the racing version of that review.
Yes because Sim racing games aren't all about that driving experiences...... That's why it's a good Idea to lock some of the more interesting experiences behind a huge grind..... It still something that irks me with both GT and Forza. Just give me the cars to drive I'm here for the driving not to see a Credits go up....
I have no issues with a career mode, just give me a mode where I can just drive those cars around any track I like.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
That sort of perspective on reviews seems relatively outdated these days, and I wouldn't put much stock into it. I wouldn't worry about the impact of such a review; most people will be able to see it offers no worth.
The problem is that it's like reviewing a book poorly because English is too inaccessible of a language to learn. Being critical of viewpoints like that is necessary. Not every viewpoint is made equally.
I guess I don't find this bad either; they shouldn't have apologized- what is there to apologize for? The score? The fact that he hates the genre?
It's just one dudes opinion, Ive got no issue with that. I can't read the review though, so I can't tell how well/poorly it's written. My main issue with reviews is that they're boring to read as they come off as checklists in paragraph form. I don't mind a review that just takes a specific stance as long as the writing is good enough to hold my attention.
But I get that I might be in the minority w my view, so I'll just let this thread move on.
phosphor112
Banned
The game tells you what PP's are. It even tells you "you have to pay attention to it often" in the fucking tutorial.
I always appreciate an outsider viewpoint, but you typically expect that means the reviewer actually does some research to actually get perspective. Like at work, if my boss tells me to do something I don't know how to do, I can't just say, "I don't understand this!" My boss would say, "well why don't you do a little leg work and get some perspective."
Obviously a game is slightly different. It shouldn't be esoteric to the point of being obscure or difficult to play. But at the same time I don't think the game should have to explain what torque is. Use google. It's a car game. Shooters don't explain basic real world expectations of physics.
Obviously a game is slightly different. It shouldn't be esoteric to the point of being obscure or difficult to play. But at the same time I don't think the game should have to explain what torque is. Use google. It's a car game. Shooters don't explain basic real world expectations of physics.
Risk Breaker
Member
Not even bothering to READ WHAT IS ON SCREEN is inexcusable as well.
I've had to review games in which I had little interest personally (because nobody else wanted to) like Football manager 2014, but I still know how to try to get into the game and review it from the perspective of someone who is at least slightly interested in the title.
Reviewing something from the perspective/position of someone who would actively dislike or loathe a game serves no purpose at all, imho. I wouldn't write a Dark Souls review from the PoV of one of my friends who complains they have to "walk too much" in the game or that "dieing so much sucks" when in fact they only die like twice per hour. I write it from the PoV of someone who is interested in the world of the game, in the mechanics and the atmosphere and tell them if what is there, in that regard, is good or not.
You may like or dislike a game but you still need to be able to appreciate what it's trying to do and if it's good at doing it or not.
Honestly, it was a simple enough mistake but I agree they do need to ALWAYS get it right. Not just to show professionalism in an industry that inspires so little of it in today's gamers, but also out of the respect for the developer. Despite what some people are saying, Polyphony Digital worked their asses off for 3 damn years at least on this game and they deserve proper credit for that work.
On another note, I suppose the decrease in review scores for both Forza and Gran Turismo are an awesome thing. They are still excellent games, but now I'm sure they will be more determined than ever to really push boundaries on their next game. It is easy to shove metacritic aside, but the fact that we know developers take metacritic seriously into account is awesome, as they must already be planning on how to blow us away next, and I honestly do think that GT7 and Forza 6 will blow gamers away. Can't wait. In the mean time, we have GT6 to play and for those who are lucky enough Driveclub and F5. Sim racers and racing fans in general should be grinning with excitement as I am right now.
I know it has been said to death, even by me, but GT7 is going to look too good to be true on the PS4. Words cannot describe the epic-ness people are going to feel when they announce the game and show off real gameplay that peope think is actual reality. It's going to happen
BloodMoney
Banned
Just read the venturebeat review.... what an assclown.
"My first time on the track was a disaster. I hit the wall three times. I spent more time off the track than on it. I even wound up driving the wrong way at one point. My lack of digital driving skills is without question. Yet, here I am reviewing Gran Turismo 6, Polyphony Digitals latest entry in its long-running Real Driving Simulator franchise. I got to spend some time with the games single-player content recently, and Im here to give a newbies perspective. Did my time with Gran Turismo 6 make me a racing game convert?
Eh not exactly."
Great intro... cool story _ _ _ .
"My first time on the track was a disaster. I hit the wall three times. I spent more time off the track than on it. I even wound up driving the wrong way at one point. My lack of digital driving skills is without question. Yet, here I am reviewing Gran Turismo 6, Polyphony Digitals latest entry in its long-running Real Driving Simulator franchise. I got to spend some time with the games single-player content recently, and Im here to give a newbies perspective. Did my time with Gran Turismo 6 make me a racing game convert?
Eh not exactly."
Great intro... cool story _ _ _ .
What do you take issue with in that paragraph?
Very well said, ykev. This a professional writing a review for his/her job. You have to at least do your research before you work on anything. If i approached my job with that attitude, made a mistake if something went wrong and then used the excuse, "i didn't know anything about the subject anyway"? I'd get fired on the spot.
I think, though VentureBeat's writer is defiantly ignorant to no end (could have been a funny piece), the real issue is one of editorial oversight. This isn't in line with the outlet's voice and that's why it comes off as so jarring. If they actually wanted an "outsider's" opinion of this game, they would've done well to do a comparison between Forza and Gran Turismo. Something, anything interesting. As is it's just a supremely ill-informed write-up that reads like the Amazon reviews my boyfriend and I make fun of when it's late, and we're very bored. Poor form, but I'm sure it's generating traffic.
Yea, wait for Mario Kart U instead.