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[Big Baller]

It’s still going to sell gazillions, but the Internet Army is going to put up a good fight

Is that Sweet Baby inc's CEO?

 

[MSduderino]

Crazy how many overreactions there are in this thread in response. I thought the Trevor character from V was offensive to a fault and saw some Gaffers sharing that opinion in another thread. Guess they and I in the minority.

 

[Pop]

Ya they'll avoid making "offensive" content regarding minorities and trans but will shit on white people all day

We all know its going to happen

 

[semiconscious]

gotta admit, these woke obsessed 'conversations' have left me in the dust. smh...

 

[AJUMP23]

Im offended.

 

[Hugare]

GTA games have always made fun of everyone. They should continue on the path imo.

If they go a more serious route (ex RDR2) I'm good with that, but they better not do anything stupid.

We'll just have to wait and see.

My point is: dont remember them joking about trans people in GTA IV or V.

Maybe on some radio dialogue that I havent heard during my playthrough. Wasnt relevant on my playthrough.

So would anything of value really be lost here?

Fuck off with your political correct comment.

I don't care for GTA, but generally speaking my enjoyment of games has never relied on offending transgenders.

However, this game series is satirical and makes fun of everyone. If a particular group is exempt from this ridicule, especially by executive order, it puts into question everything they do or do not decide to make fun of.

Also, not being able to joke about certain people... I'd call that censorship or even a dictatorship.

They arent censuring you. The game is theirs. They cant do whatever they want with it. How is that censorship or even dictatorship (lol) if they arent imposing what you should or shouldnt talk about?

And again, do you remember the last trans joke you've heard in GTA? I dont

They will still make fun of a bunch of stuff. It will be fine.

 

[Kurotri]

Since it was discussed already not long ago, I'll just copy/paste.

"It's not just Sadie (which is a borderline protagonist) being a literal fucking cartoon, completely out of place in an otherwise somber game, and immune to any kind of consequence from her dumbass actions always putting the gang at risk just because "She's badass", that when put in constrast to female characters in that truly mature and colossal masterpiece of the first RDR (strong female characters, like Bonny or Luisa which are light years ahead as characters, other being actually believable and organic) is the embodiment of pure cringe..

It's also the amount of social commentary, all the random "he's the best of us all, we're lucky to have him" Lenny asslicking, and things of this nature scattered across camp dialogues and from random NPC you would never in a million years find in a product that's a result from creative vision ONLY, like the first one was.

You can feel the interference in RDR2 from miles away. And I've spent literal thousands of hours in it, I love the game, but I would have to turn completely blind in order to not perceive the colossal difference."

If this is the level I'm fine with it. RDR2 is one of my fav games of all time. So be it. I just hope that VI isn't *too* watered down.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Outlets putting Veilguard in their top ten games of the year, Polygon talking about how it was the biggest snub in The Game Awards nominations, or Bloomberg reporting - without even hinting at a source - that Rockstar gave its writers a "do not offend" mandate.

They're whipping you all up in a frenzy so you share the article or references to the article on forums and social media, driving more traffic to their site and generating more revenue for them.

And you fall for it every single time.

Also, Bloomberg "reported" on this two fucking years ago. There's no update on this. This is Jason Schrier writing a pointless "no shit" article that would otherwise have gotten no traction and adding this in there because he knew that you would all spread it to the ends of the earth with your rage fueling it.

you sound a little upset and i dunno why.

as you state, gaming media has been doing this BS for a decade or so. Fortunately, they have lost a lot of relevance and authority. as of right now there is a clear mediatic war between established media and YouTubers/Influencers. (which are acting as a counterweight).

It's just bad PR/noise.

 

[Singular7]

I don't care if they stop making fun of X, Y or Z... just don't replace those jokes with "white Christian men are inherently evil" content.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Is that Sweet Baby inc's CEO?

too white

 

[havoc00]

Ya they'll avoid making "offensive" content regarding minorities and trans but will shit on white people all day

We all know its going to happen

This 100%

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

I thought the Trevor character from V was offensive to a fault and saw some Gaffers sharing that opinion in another thread.

they lost their creatively insulting satirical edge, and tried to compensate with that "extreme" retard trevor

 

[Loomy]

you sound a little upset and i dunno why.

as you state, gaming media has been doing this BS for a decade or so. Fortunately, they have lost a lot of relevance and authority. as of right now there is a clear mediatic war between established media and YouTubers/Influencers. (which are acting as a counterweight).

It's just bad PR/noise.

Not upset at all.

It is, however, strange how people keep falling for these obvious attempts to farm engagement.

 

[Represent.]

Dont care in the slightest. As long as the dark humor is still there in other places, I dont need it to target one specific group.

 

[PeteBull]

Did GTA 5 have less offensive material than the past games in the series?

Nope but it was launched in 2013 aka 11years ago, for comparision that is game sony launched in 2015 and we know how fucking woke it is now:

 

[Zeusexy]

A franchise built on satire and being offensive towards everyone, now folds like a chair.
Kinda scary how these mental midgets now control what can and cannot be said by writers.

 

[Represent.]

Ya they'll avoid making "offensive" content regarding minorities and trans but will shit on white people all day

We all know its going to happen

Who cares, it's mostly white people making the game anyways, no one is going to stop you from shitting on yourself.

No one would care if a Trans was making fun of another trans. Black on black. Asian on Asian. Etc, White on white is ok too.

People need to be less sensitive in general.

FUCK it just make fun of everybody. everybody should be a target.

The game takes place in Miami, I think everybody will get made fun of, except for Trans people and maybe other small minorities like certain religious groups.

 

[LordCBH]

In addition, Rockstar is asking its scriptwriters to be less offensive towards transgender people and other minorities, who used to be frequent targets of jokes in previous games.”

Gotta protect the most coddled and protected classes of people who have ever lived.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Not upset at all.

It is, however, strange how people keep falling for these obvious attempts to farm engagement.

that's how the internet works. but the amount of clicks this website is going to make is miniscule compared to the amount of viewers those influencers are going to make talking about it.

remembered that before this article came out, a youtuber "leaked" related information.

 

[Tokio Blues]

RDR2 wasn't offensive, and it did good.

 

[Kabelly]

Ya they'll avoid making "offensive" content regarding minorities and trans but will shit on white people all day

We all know its going to happen

I thought it was all just satire and jokes, though. Why are you getting offended then?

 

[bitbydeath]

 

[RetroGamingUK]

No doubt the actual reason…

 

[Gamer79]

They are still doing this woke shit?

 

[R3TRO]

Hopefully it’s nearly as good as RDR2.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Ya they'll avoid making "offensive" content regarding minorities and trans but will shit on white people all day

We all know its going to happen

Or maybe they’ll shit on all kinds of people, just not directed at their race?

I still have high hopes for the game having a lot of offensive content.

 

[loktaiextatus]

You guys have to remember this game has been neck deep in development for years, especially during the years the pendulum was swinging hard towards LGBTQ+ inclusiveness on Twitter and the rest. I bet "the message" has infected all sorts of facets of this game... expect many, many jokes cracked towards far right individuals and many villains to be Trump-a-likes.

THIS IS EXACTLY why it should be able to POKE FUN at the left... GTA should be able to POKE FUN at whatever the zeitgeist is and if that is left learning insanity - the extreme forms glorified on social media etc... Nobody will care or rally if they poke gun at christians/jesus freaks, nobody will bat and eye if they poke fun at republicans or if they make more "white people" jokes as they always have- Nobody cares. but then you have a minority on the left wing and in the "inclusive" crowd who want to THRUST themselves into the spotlight... and then we cant make fun- we cant offend them? They are SO important that this minority gets to dictate content in movies, games, and more - and cant be excluded without it being hateful- but they are still somehow "punching down" and above critique? I hope to F people wake up- NOBODY was ever going to insert hateful of violence inciting speech into these games, no PREVIOUS rockstar game showed harming or hurting a minority group as a good thing but now suddenly we have to walk on eggshells?

 

[Hypereides]

If this is how its going to be, then there has to be some other studio out there that has the guts to pick up the "bad boy of gaming"/"bad attitude" mantle that modern Rockstar has dropped.

 

[Moochi]

The problem won't be woke narratives. It will be that every other aspect of the dev culture got poisoned along the way. You don't invite the devil in for just tea.

 

[Fake]

My point is: dont remember them joking about trans people in GTA IV or V.

Maybe on some radio dialogue that I havent heard during my playthrough. Wasnt relevant on my playthrough.

So would anything of value really be lost here?

Wasn't the same the other way around? Wasn't removing the others silly joke getting the same results?

If those jokes was like 0,1% of the game content, why remove? People don't even notice if folks like you point out.

Really hate this kinda of mentality. 'Will make no difference, but we will remove anyway'.

Or either make difference or not. If they really think is offensive, of couse will make difference.

RDR2 wasn't offensive, and it did good.

Did? I mean, no 60fps patch and RDR1 got a remaster while getting a second patch for native 4k60.

 

[GloveSlap]

Meh, even if the game had pronouns, bros gargling each others balls and lady boy dongs in your face every other scene, it would still sell record numbers.

Based on the reputation of previous games in the series though. Bad decisions tend to affect the reception of future installments.

GTA is an insanely strong brand, but it's not bullet proof. They have to be careful because a big part of the appeal of the game is an astronomical amount of money and man hours being put on screen. All of that is only possible because it currently also sells an astronomical amount of copies.

 

[rofif]

Lol so even gta will sucks.
As Ive stated many times.. gta 4 is the last good one

 

[Rambone]

I'll want a hot ladyboy character to be one of the characters where you won't suspect is trans at first but later finds out she has a tree trunk down there. Way better and more interesting than the typical ugly blue hair freaks, demon looking drag, or, it's madm, or land whale.

A similar scenario happened to a RL friend of mine once, absolutely cracks me up to this day.

 

[Hugare]

Wasn't the same the other way around? Wasn't removing the others silly joke getting the same results?

If those jokes was like 0,1% of the game content, why remove? People don't even notice if folks like you point out.

Really hate this kinda of mentality. 'Will make no difference, but we will remove anyway'.

Or either make difference or not. If they really think is offensive, of couse will make difference.

I'm obviously saying from my perspective. They clearly are bothered enough to change it.

But me, as a customer, dont give a damn about it.

I ask: does it bother you ? Do you remember an instance of laughing from a joke aimed at a minority? How relevant was it to your enjoyment of the game?

I wouldnt be ok if dissing minorities was a big part of the GTA games stories or something. But they werent. Some jokes that sometimes played in the radio while driving, and that's it. Cant even remember of one. Can you?

 

[Chuck Berry]

Oh no, no tranny jokes? Whatever will I do?

 

[Rambone]

Based on the reputation of previous games in the series though. Bad decisions tend to affect the reception of future installments.

GTA is an insanely strong brand, but it's not bullet proof. They have to be careful because a big part of the appeal of the game is an astronomical amount of money and man hours being put on screen. All of that is only possible because it currently also sells an astronomical amount of copies.

I'm sure whatever happens with GTA 6 will be a big nothing burger.

 

[Stuart360]

Was always going to happen, like i said in one of the other threads. Saints Row was even more 'up PC' than GTA, and look what happened with the Saints Row reboot.

Its crazy to think that Trevor was only 11 years ago. How fast the world has collapsed.

 

[InterMusketeer]

They arent censuring you. The game is theirs. They cant do whatever they want with it. How is that censorship or even dictatorship (lol) if they arent imposing what you should or shouldnt talk about?

Of course they're not censoring me. They're censoring themselves. Their own product. If the higher-ups the writers to make edgy satirical content but not about those people, then yes that's censorship. And if the progressive movement is so influential that they can alter the course of even the most popular game series in the world, then yes I'd call that a form of dictatorship.

 

[Buggy Loop]

RDR2 wasn't offensive, and it did good.

They are maybe not making LGBTQ the butt of the joke, you know, like gays used to be in the 90's.
If they don't shove the LGBTQ agenda down our throats but also don't throw daggers on that community, it's almost for the better.

If a game success or humor cannot strive without not making fun of these peoples, then I'm not sure we play videogames for the same reasons.

GTA doesn't have to stop being offensive anyway. Does anyone think there's a lack of source material out of Florida man? In fact, are you guys ready for a "The Boys" realization where the typical Florida man gets to be the butt of the joke with political comparisons with modern days? GTA has always had anti-conservative satire, the radio shows especially. Does nobody remember Republican Space Rangers? Will it be woke now even though it's been in almost every GTA games?

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

I'm 70€ richer. That's fine.

 

[nush]

This game will only be good if they make a Trans joke.

 

[Fake]

I ask: does it bother you ?

Yes. Is either everyone get insulted or not. Thats the point of the franchise, believe you or not.

Do you remember an instance of laughing from a joke aimed at a minority? How relevant was it to your enjoyment of the game?

You kinda trying to avoid the main point of the conversation and at the same time trying to appealing to this kinda of rhetoric about 'the game will not stop being fun because of "X"

Dude, I don't fall so easy to this kind of argument. Try harder.

I wouldnt be ok if dissing minorities was a big part of the GTA games stories or something. But they werent. Some jokes that sometimes played in the radio while driving, and that's it. Cant even remember of one. Can you?

Yes I can. And I aslo remember those kinds of joke being completely ignored until folks like you start to flood the social media with complains all over the place.

Lets not pretend this game is juvenile. Is not for everyone. Or you can choise the Dragon Age approach; Everything is purple, no more insults, no more blood, no more fight between folks of your party. And you will get the game you want.

But hey, you are saying to me that nothing will change, so I believe. Is just some things that will be no be anymore presented in the franchise, right? No big deal.

Was a time ago I get into a similar discussion about the same Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of Rings rhetoric, making the franchise more safety. Almost identical as your reply, the same excuses. Powerful IPs that not even big changes would make an impact, 'WilL sElL AnYwAy'.

 

[AtomicStarving]

 

[Stuart360]

They are maybe not making LGBTQ the butt of the joke, you know, like gays used to be in the 90's.
If they don't shove the LGBTQ agenda down our throats but also don't throw daggers on that community, it's almost for the better.

If a game success or humor cannot strive without not making fun of these peoples, then I'm not sure we play videogames for the same reasons.

GTA doesn't have to stop being offensive anyway. Does anyone think there's a lack of source material out of Florida man? In fact, are you guys ready for a "The Boys" realization where the typical Florida man gets to be the butt of the joke with political comparisons with modern days? GTA has always had anti-conservative satire, the radio shows especially. Does nobody remember Republican Space Rangers? Will it be woke now even though it's been in almost every GTA games?

Rockstar also banned that RDR2 Youtube vid that went viral, with the guy lasooing (sp?) that femenist, and dragging her through the city lol.

The writing was on the cards.

 

[Makki]

Even if the default is a reddit they/them mod character, everyone in here will still buy the trainwreck. All aboard the inclusion train!!!!

 

[Bernardougf]

> Be Rockstar
> your next game will be a guaranteed hit
> will sell a bazillion copies
> literally the only studio in the entire world that doesn't have to fear anything
> still scared to upset transsexuals

How do they do it?

By having them and co. In the development team.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Not that I've ever particularly been a GTA fan, but this is beyond dumb. The games thrive on edginess, just like Saints Row used to (and we know how that went). And it's not just "oh, they're not going to make a bunch of trans jokes so now the game sucks," - it's that this suggests a clearly different attitude towards the game's tone that frankly, isn't in GTA's character.

Not that this will have any effect whatsoever on sales or critical success. Either way, though, I'm out.

 

[gaming_again]

I've been buying these games since the very first one. It's been real, but see ya.

 

[Fake]

Rockstar also banned that Youtube vid that went viral, with the guy lasooing (sp?) that femenist, and dragging her through the city lol.

The writing was on the cards.

You mean Shirrako?

That was probably the most stupid ban I ever saw. They like give player the ability, but don't want them to do it so. Is so beautiful.

I not expecting the same to happen in GTA6. There sure take a lesson after RDR2.

Probably killing cops will be the far you can go.

 

[Strategize]

Since it was discussed already not long ago, I'll just copy/paste.

"It's not just Sadie (which is a borderline protagonist) being a literal fucking cartoon, completely out of place in an otherwise somber game, and immune to any kind of consequence from her dumbass actions always putting the gang at risk just because "She's badass", that when put in constrast to female characters in that truly mature and colossal masterpiece of the first RDR (strong female characters, like Bonny or Luisa which are light years ahead as characters, other being actually believable and organic) is the embodiment of pure cringe..

It's also the amount of social commentary, all the random "he's the best of us all, we're lucky to have him" Lenny asslicking, and things of this nature scattered across camp dialogues and from random NPC you would never in a million years find in a product that's a result from creative vision ONLY, like the first one was.

And yet both Sadie and Lenny were two of the most liked characters by the larger fanbase. Which just confirms, lets face it, nobody had an issue painting minority characters in a positive light before they were told to be offended by it by grifters.