SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
All nuns are CG lesbians
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Schmendrick
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this is your next forspoken moment, I can see that. Did your dad also think that one looked like a movie?
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TheKremlinBossMan
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This is forspoken all over again. These screenshots dont look as good as you think they do. They actually disprove your point they look so mediocre lol
And these are PS4 games.
Come on
SlimySnake
I already posted these shots but am reposting for the sake of this conversation. This game isn't going for a photorealistic art style. It is highly stylized and can look as good, better, or worse than the games you posted. There are screens that I am not going to post because the game isn't out yet but there are areas that smush the games you posted. A late city in particular is jaw dropping. The game is really pushing the hardware as far as geometry and lighting. Funny the lighting solution everyone says is flat is because it's realistic. I think people are going to be surprised at Digital Foundry analysis. The green hued lighting in these shots is coming from me casting a charged garuda shot.
As far as I know all of the cutscenes are also rendered in real time. If any are offline I can't tell.
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nemiroff
Gold Member
Come on
These are all from performance mode. Different art style and it is pretty damn amazing for what it is trying to accomplish.
As far as I know all of the cutscenes are also rendered in real time. If any are offline I can't tell.
Nevermind the screens 80% filled with DOF.. I'm still completely lost about what I'm supposed to see here. Reminds me of Kingdom Come I guess..?
TheKremlinBossMan
Banned
Same as the character shots slimy posted what is your point? It is just to show character models.
I thought the same thing about the first The Division trailer...
Horizon characters are better. The lighting is what makes characters in FFXVI look so good, specially in that first shot.no need to bother. I've played the demo twice. The characters look amazing.
Sure, at times can look flat but any game can look worse at times.
You cannot post anything to say that these are bad character models.
Nah, Horizon's are better. But as with FFXVI, ND has much better lighting artists than Guerilla.TLOU 2 remains untouched for faces.
Theres only 1 game that tops TLOU 2 faces. And thats TLOU Part 1.
They look even better. Not just about how they look (they look the best too though) but how they animate. When you put the two together, no one is in the same league.
This is a goddamn PS4 game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Honestly those barn screenshots look very bad to me. But not going to lie, the era thread on this opened my eyes and they look stunning. i didnt play this part of the demo with Clyde because i want to go in fresh but the definitely look better than anything with young clyde. I've always said Joshua's character model looks next gen, but the mom, sister, dad and young clyde? yeesh.
Come on
These are all from performance mode. Different art style and it is pretty damn amazing for what it is trying to accomplish.
As far as I know all of the cutscenes are also rendered in real time. If any are offline I can't tell.
Apparently these are gameplay shots. These era members are doing a better job making the point than you guys are lol
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Soft lighting galoreHonestly those barn screenshots look very bad to me. But not going to lie, the era thread on this opened my eyes and they look stunning. i didnt play this part of the demo with Clyde because i want to go in fresh but the definitely look better than anything with young clyde. I've always said Joshua's character model looks next gen, but the mom, sister, dad and young clyde? yeesh.
Apparently these are gameplay shots. These era members are doing a better job making the point than you guys are lol
Lethal01
Member
Honestly those barn screenshots look very bad to me. But not going to lie, the era thread on this opened my eyes and they look stunning. i didnt play this part of the demo with Clyde because i want to go in fresh but the definitely look better than anything with young clyde. I've always said Joshua's character model looks next gen, but the mom, sister, dad and young clyde? yeesh.
Apparently these are gameplay shots. These era members are doing a better job making the point than you guys are lol
Sounds like you are talking about how nice particular shots look rather than how good they are on a technical level and conflating the two.
The shots posted here were mostly just as technically impressive but with worse shot composition.
Looks like a blurry PS4 game in these screenshots. People posting FF16 cutscenes and ignoring how last gen these characters look in-game is doing my head in.
Come on
These are all from performance mode. Different art style and it is pretty damn amazing for what it is trying to accomplish.
As far as I know all of the cutscenes are also rendered in real time. If any are offline I can't tell.
twinspectre
Member
If I was them, I would invest time and money into improving A.I, instead of "Look how great it looks", because these games have 10/10 graphics -10/10 gameplay and -10/10 enemies A.I
For me: PS4 characters with next-gen lighting > next-gen characters with PS4 lighting.
Japanese Hair is always so much better handled than from alot of western devs.Honestly those barn screenshots look very bad to me. But not going to lie, the era thread on this opened my eyes and they look stunning. i didnt play this part of the demo with Clyde because i want to go in fresh but the definitely look better than anything with young clyde. I've always said Joshua's character model looks next gen, but the mom, sister, dad and young clyde? yeesh.
Apparently these are gameplay shots. These era members are doing a better job making the point than you guys are lol
Alex11
Member
They look awesome overall, but when you start to break each area you see at the chin and the hair strands, they look a bit outdated, the lips too and the skin around them also.Honestly those barn screenshots look very bad to me. But not going to lie, the era thread on this opened my eyes and they look stunning. i didnt play this part of the demo with Clyde because i want to go in fresh but the definitely look better than anything with young clyde. I've always said Joshua's character model looks next gen, but the mom, sister, dad and young clyde? yeesh.
Apparently these are gameplay shots. These era members are doing a better job making the point than you guys are lol
The hair, yes it looks very nice so are the eyes and the general tone and color.
But yeah, IMO those are the negatives for what I think most don't consider this very next-gen.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Some HFW or tlou2 characters will look better.
but this single shot from the prologue is the best graphics I've ever seen.
Cut it out without rest of the game if you will but I've never seen something better.
I am beyond impressed. Not that maybe this character is doing anthing more than HFW or tlou characters. Probably not.
But as an end result. This isolated shot is something that I would never ever believe is a screenshot from a final fantasy video game.
If this leaked last year, we would think it's a leak from cgi trailer.
(which granted, it might still just be a cgi cutscene lol)
ChiefDada
Member
Honestly those barn screenshots look very bad to me. But not going to lie, the era thread on this opened my eyes and they look stunning. i didnt play this part of the demo with Clyde because i want to go in fresh but the definitely look better than anything with young clyde. I've always said Joshua's character model looks next gen, but the mom, sister, dad and young clyde? yeesh.
Apparently these are gameplay shots. These era members are doing a better job making the point than you guys are lol
The game's visuals/lighting truly shine at night, no pun intended. But daytime remains consistent albeit less spectacular. As far as character rendering, If you can keep in mind the stylistic choice for anime (which I've always loved) I think people will appreciate more. Facial animation couldve been much better though. If they had ND level animation it would be perfect.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
100% if you take the style out of the equation, ff16 looks better here."CGI looking character"
"Videogame looking character"
So Ratchet & Clank matched CGI from 2005 and HFW beats CGI from 2023, GG are wizards.
The shading, soft liht and soft shadwing is on another level.
HFW looks like a video game at high resolution.
FF16 looks like a cgi at a bit lower resolution. Maybe it's some post processing doing work too.
HFW looks like a ps4 game with a very polished normal rendering tech.
ff16 looks like a beginning of a next step in video game graphics. Finally looks like a game on ps5 SHOULD LOOK LIKE 2 YEARS AGO.
OR AGAIN, AS WITH THE OTHER GUY I AM POSTING, This is a cgi cutscene. We don't know yet.
I do not with to be ridiculed any further. You don't have to agree but laughing laughing at my opinions is very blind of you.
ChiefDada
Member
Some HFW or tlou2 characters will look better.
but this single shot from the prologue is the best graphics I've ever seen.
Cut it out without rest of the game if you will but I've never seen something better.
I am beyond impressed. Not that maybe this character is doing anthing more than HFW or tlou characters. Probably not.
But as an end result. This isolated shot is something that I would never ever believe is a screenshot from a final fantasy video game.
If this leaked last year, we would think it's a leak from cgi trailer.
(which granted, it might still just be a cgi cutscene lol)
It's the realistic grounded lighting around the environment that makes it pleasing coupled with perfect HDR execution which make colors look very natural (should fix the misleading HDR toggle though). I would imagine anyone who takes issue with Horizon's often obnoxious/busy/overwhelming lighting setup would appreciate whats going on here. Dark filmic tone as if you're watching a movie in the theater. Nice change of pace.
I would like to get confirmation of what's real time vs cg soon because I'm hearing conflicting reports. Bring on the DF or NX Gamer developer interview.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
"should fix the misleading HDR toggle though"
? There is hdr toggle in the game ? I was under the impression is uses ps5 settings and yeah - looks better with hdr than on screenshots
Next gen characters with next gen lighting > PS4 characters with next-gen lighting > next-gen characters with PS4 lighting.
ChiefDada
Member
Well there's a "screen brightness" toggle which has the standard 3 sample screens for highlight detail, shadows detail and midtones as a typical HDR toggle would. As someone playing on OLED, the toggle would have you believe that you should pump brightness all the way up to avoid black crush but you are better off staying in the 4-5 default range. I've never seen more perfect blacks in a game until now. Intro/outro battle scenes is what HDR was made for.
I agree with the overall point. That shot is the most next-gen thing I've seen so far. Goes to show how important advanced lighting and shadowing is to really get the best of a PBR rendering pipeline.Some HFW or tlou2 characters will look better.
but this single shot from the prologue is the best graphics I've ever seen.
Cut it out without rest of the game if you will but I've never seen something better.
I am beyond impressed. Not that maybe this character is doing anthing more than HFW or tlou characters. Probably not.
But as an end result. This isolated shot is something that I would never ever believe is a screenshot from a final fantasy video game.
If this leaked last year, we would think it's a leak from cgi trailer.
(which granted, it might still just be a cgi cutscene lol)
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
ah ok. I played at default 5. All good then
Wishmaster92
Member
But they don't? Also to the person that said RE4 had better character models?
Lighting looks damn near cg at times
E-Cat
Member
You want to have your cake and eat it, too.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
There is lighting which I will concede is dependent on lighting conditions and then there is asset quality, level of detail, character models and other visual effects that are equally important. There is lots of work that needs to be done here to make it look next gen.
That said, it looks fine for a last gen game and its doing some amazing things with the setpieces so i am happy with it. I dont need every game to look like the Matrix as long as its doing something that last gen games werent doing. I just disagree that the character models look next gen.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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Why do people keep posting ingame-cutscene screenshots as "gameplay screenshots". They are like photo mode for car games, more polished than an actual gameplay and this has been going on forever. Uncharted 4, TLOU 2 and now FF16. I think FF16 looks great but no, it doesnt look like the above shots while im controlling the character. Yes Ellie's facial feautures and skin texture look great but no, they dont look as high quality when you take control of the character. Forget the slight blurrines of the first photo, I couldnt find a better shot but facial details and skin texture are nowhere near what the in game cutscene shows, and this is an actual hameplay shot.
Lol, you used RE4R as an example because it has one of the worst character models in-game. I mean Leon in RE2R looks way better. That FF16 screenshot looks on par with some of the better PS4 character models. And those FF16 character models in the screenshots to which I replied to you look absolutely horrendous, as bad as anything on PS4. You just cherry picking one or two nice shots, but really character models in-game look very poor and last gen almost all of the time. Sure it looks CG, CG from around 20 years ago that is. I mean common, Aloy from a cross gen Horizon Forbidden West looks way better in-game and I've never heard anyone say Aloy looks like CG level character, lol.But they don't? Also to the person that said RE4 had better character models?
Lighting looks damn near cg at times
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Alex11
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To be honest the FF one I believe is from a cutscene and the RE4 one is from gameplay by the looks of it.But they don't? Also to the person that said RE4 had better character models?
Lighting looks damn near cg at times
This is a screenshot that I took from a cutscene, and it's another tale. It isn't even the best image with him or maxed, shadows and that hair tech is turned down a notch.
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TheKremlinBossMan
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All of my shots were in game. No cutscene pictures and the character model looks the same.To be honest the FF one I believe is from a cutscene and the RE4 one is from gameplay by the looks of it.
This is a screenshot that I took from a cutscene, and it's another tale. It isn't even the best image with him or maxed, shadows and that hair tech is turned down a notch.
ResetEraVetVIP
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You see why I call TLOU 2 the graphics king…TLOU 2 remains untouched for faces.
Theres only 1 game that tops TLOU 2 faces. And thats TLOU Part 1.
They look even better. Not just about how they look (they look the best too though) but how they animate. When you put the two together, no one is in the same league.
This is a goddamn PS4 game.
ResetEraVetVIP
Member
People just ignore how good Aloys character model is. Her model actually looks good IN GAME, not just cutscenes etc.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The guys saying ff16 looks like a ps4 game are just blind. No need to explain them. The difference is huge and evident. No idea how can they not see past the art style
01011001
Banned
It's easy to see past the artstyle... but seeing past the motion blur, now that is a harder task
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You don’t know anything about graphics thenIt's easy to see past the artstyle... but seeing past the motion blur, now that is a harder task
01011001
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what you just said makes no sense...
Yah I was about say.
Negotiator101
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Outside of cutscenes it's starting to show its age buddy.
Re3makes character quality >>> Re4makes.But they don't? Also to the person that said RE4 had better character models?
Lighting looks damn near cg at times
Nah its just having standards.
mansoor1980
Member
the hair looks bad in re4But they don't? Also to the person that said RE4 had better character models?
Lighting looks damn near cg at times
really nice mix of tech and art in ff16
daninthemix
Member
It's naive of you to assume that AMD will be able replicate the AI methods of a trillion-dollar company that is a leader in the field. You're in cloud cuckoo land. Frame Gen relies on AI to be good.
Negotiator101
Member
Isn't one a cutscene and the other in-game?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Hair looks great in re4. At least on pc. Consoles are missing some ao pass on the hair
Lol, I see someone hasn't seen the announcement from AMD that they are working on frame generation without the need for machine learning. And if you think consoles in 2028 or thereabouts won't have machine learning than I think the naive one is you.
TheKremlinBossMan
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Damien Crowley
Member
In game, cutscene, all fine and good, but why is nobody calling out his shitty walk cycle going up that slight slope at the beginning of the Demo? Looked like he fucking moonwalked!
