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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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CamHostage
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Yeah, but dinosaur can destroy trees (preset destructibles) in Horizon too.
The way I read the quote you posted, he's talking about a variety of game systems at once. NPC behavior, destruction, accumulated environment change. Different systems at work in the flow of the game.
Maybe he really did mean that all of this works dynamically and in realtime, maybe? But then we've seen in the extended gameplay demo that these effects are not acting the way that would facilitate such mechanics. (However, big creatures may have different rulesets, or certain areas may be rigged for more activity, sort of like Horizon encounter spots.) We'll see, but so far, that's how I understand their systems would would make sense.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I didn't realize that the cinematic trailer for Avatar had gameplay footage. This looks stunning and very close to that original reveal.
You can see them blur out the draw distance with fog/haze but its pushed way back in the distance compared to horizon which does it far close to the player.
You can see them blur out the draw distance with fog/haze but its pushed way back in the distance compared to horizon which does it far close to the player.
Represent.
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This game has the best facial animations ever in a game. Like I don't think anything else is even its class. Not just the way the models look, but how they actually animate. The eyes are insane. And its the only game where you can look at a characters lips and know what they're saying via lip sync. The facial animations are unreal. For that reason alone its next gen.
Also, the ambient lighting and hit reactions are both best in class.
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mxbison
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Naughty Dog are the absolute animation gods, nothing comes close IMO. Especially since they have all these details in character animation while keeping responsive and fluid controls. (Hello Rockstar)
I haven't played TLOU1 Pt.1 but even TLOU2 on PS4 is still ahead of everyone else in that regard.
This is also why I don't consider games like Plague Tale Requiem in these discussions. On a screenshot yes, but as soon as movement is involved everything falls apart.
The new Star Wars game which is being handled as a contender for graphics king doesn't get anywhere close to ND animation either.
GymWolf
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Imagine the cunnilingus with that bitch tho.Same
M1987
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After watching the gameplay overview or whatever it's called on YouTube,I actually don't think Avatar looks better than hfw at all.It still looks incredible obviously,especially the cutscenes,but the gameplay looks much better on hfw imo.Also the game has definitely been downgraded from the trailer 2 years ago
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Yes, my bad it was LA Noire, correct. I remember everyone losing their mind over this tech back then as it was dubbed "revolutionary" and it kinda was, we didn't have any game that correctly emulated facial animations and expressions, so in essence it was revolutionary. What I didn't know that it was such a pain to do that it got abandoned. This was news to me. If it got abandoned then what do Rockstar use nowadays to capture facial animations and expressions?
What about character rendering? I don't care about facial movements as much as I care about character rendering and models. Surely that's easier to do? If a character is rendered almost realistically then I won't care as much about facial animations.
Oh man, reading your post depressed me a little as it showed we are still a ways away from achieving realistic facial movement. Seems like it is way harder that I thought.
Also the link you posted was a great read. Interesting stuff.
Boy, have we been having some bad takes on this forum lately. I thought HFW was hella underrated and very hated on GAF, people were killing it with their reviews and mocking it. But now, the opposite is happening, it is seriously being overrated and overhyped by people to the point where I am starting to hate the game even though I am a big fan of it.
No way does HFW look better than Avatar, people are either too faithful to Sony (I am a staunch Sony fan myself btw) or too blind or both. You watch Avatar you instantly feel there is something next gen about it, the same cannot be said about HFW. As gorgeous as HFW is, when I see it I immediately recognize it as a a cross gen game, there is this cross-gen feeling about it.
M1987
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I actually said it blew hfw away when I watched the trailer the other day,but after seeing the gameplay video I just don't think it looks as good imo.
I gotta watch that video
Edit: you talking about the overview trailer? Yeah that’s the one I saw. It still looks incredible to me and better than HFW honestly
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Go play horizon. The upgrade will become immediately clear.
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Crispy Gamer
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The environments/scale are clearly next-gen and above HFW but every gameplay section with shooting that I've seen looks so painfully average that I'm reserving final judgment until the game releases
I see you havent played control then?
Even The Punisher...a 2004 "AA" ps2 game has way better physics that 99% of AAA games today.
Havok should have been mandatory ever since then.
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mrMUR_96
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PC hardware is stupidly priced currently and most ports have egregious stutter. I'd give it another year or two and hopefully the situation will improve.
This gutted me. Because of this shit I havent played a far cry game since FC2.
Which i keep playing periodicly.
I wouldnt worry about it. Japan loves that look. They wont stop. The most realistic they will go outside of Capcom will be Kingsglaive quality.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Control was last gen. I was talking about the last three years.
I actually mentioned control in another post.
I think we are all aware that some PS2 and PS3 era games had better physics, but I thought we were all on the same page about destruction and physics missing entirely from AAA games these past couple of gens. Zelda and Control are obviously exceptions. But 99.9% of the games dont feature any kind of physics based destruction. RE4 had me excited because someone posted gifs of breaking bookshelves, but that turned out to be canned physics because you could throw a grenade in a room and all these wooden chairs and tables would just sit there. TLOU Part 1 also has those similar bookshelf physics, but the rest of the game has very little destruction and no physics whatsoever. Horizon has just the palm trees that fall and only from dinobot collisions. You can throw all kinds of stuff at those trees, and nothing would happen.
All I want to do in video games is to go in a room, throw a grenade and have chairs, tables, windows, pots and pans, and other objects react realistically to it. Same thing when I go in a pretty foliage area. Lets throw a grenade and see what happens.
I honestly dont know what he's talking about. The faces look really bad in this game with Joshua being the only exception.
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Yes it looks more like its proper scale. Not like a vast majority of open worlds games up until now which you Forced Perspective FOV tricks to exaggerate distances.I didn't realize that the cinematic trailer for Avatar had gameplay footage. This looks stunning and very close to that original reveal.
You can see them blur out the draw distance with fog/haze but its pushed way back in the distance compared to horizon which does it far close to the player.
We are on the same page. I just think we should reserve giving significant props to physics systems that arent next gen.
100% with ya.
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PeteBull
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From those para-e3 conferences so far the Star Wars Outlaws is what definitely looks top notch to me.
Ofc its ubisoft trailer so might be target render, not actual gameplay, but if we assume its actual real gameplay instead of bulllshot trailer, it looks above anything else graphics wise, once again i wanna underline it- we talking real gameplay, aka u gotta controll ur character while looking at that footage, not in engine/ingame/cinematic/real time cutscenes coz i couldnt care less for those, like always, actual gameplay always is the most impressive thing.
Here the vid so ppl dont need to search for it again.
Ofc its ubisoft trailer so might be target render, not actual gameplay, but if we assume its actual real gameplay instead of bulllshot trailer, it looks above anything else graphics wise, once again i wanna underline it- we talking real gameplay, aka u gotta controll ur character while looking at that footage, not in engine/ingame/cinematic/real time cutscenes coz i couldnt care less for those, like always, actual gameplay always is the most impressive thing.
Here the vid so ppl dont need to search for it again.
arkhamguy123
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Maaaaan… that was like the most impressive thing in it from what I saw on YT :/ so what’s left that’s impressive? I haven’t downloaded the demo cause I wanna go in the full game 100% fresh and blind.
Thoughts?
SlimySnake
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The demo is the first two hours. It's the full first two hours and your progress carries over so download it now and enjoy the game a week early.Maaaaan… that was like the most impressive thing in it from what I saw on YT :/ so what’s left that’s impressive? I haven’t downloaded the demo cause I wanna go in the full game 100% fresh and blind.
Thoughts?
And yeah, i figured they were realtime because of the way they transitioned from gameplay to cutscenes and then back. But honestly, its pretty nuts. Its probably the most next gen thing ive seen, but of course its just a cutscene and I would like them to put me in there in the middle of that battle at some point.
arkhamguy123
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Well they were saying it actually wasn’t real time is what caught my eye. They claim the battle was pre rendered.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ah ok. Thats disappointing.
The other setpiece i wont spoil was still very impressive though.
AtomicStarving
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This is the game that caught my eyes... Looks too good to be true IMO 
Lethal01
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Already too far, we need Guilty Gears strive to be the visuals they all strive far.
Lethal01
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Hopefully people won't look at this and go "Realistic facial animation is now solved and easy" because of a twitter video.
Lethal01
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Your opinion is wrong, you can still extremely easily create a scene that's too hard to render in engine.
I mean this game is literally showcasing it, you want to maintain cutscene level of quality with a thousand or ten thousand characters? you need CG.
Also I think want there to be a scene where you aren't distracted by how far behind all realitime rendering is from modern CG is would also be a decent excuse.
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M1987
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I'm playing it right now(the base game) and it looks better than the Avatar gameplay
ResetEraVetVIP
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Also way higher geometric density, offline CGI uses ALOTTT alot of geometry.
ResetEraVetVIP
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Exactly this.
It certainly ain’t easy but creating such fidelity with a pc and an iphone? That’s mighty impressive
The Infectious Paradox
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You know, the more I read threads like this the more I can't wait til people stop caring about graphic fidelity and get more focused on what's important - immersion worlds with AI and physics
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Why are you here this is a graphic fidelity thread, visuals are important and we can have all of those things together. Let’s not derail my thread. Thx!
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simpatico
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I don't think there's a shooter with better particle effects than FEAR. Sad state of affairs. Control probably comes closest.
The Infectious Paradox
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Wesleyalucard
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What happened to Santa Monica? God Of War 2 is probably the most impressive game I've played on PS2, Gow 3 and ascension are at the top of PS3 along with The last of us, PSP games are at the top as well, while Gow 2018 and Ragnarok are good, they are not on the same technical level as other Sony games. I hope they build Kinetica 2.0 and again impress the world technically and graphically.
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mansoor1980
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damn
