GymWolf
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Yeah, it's not like they did the same with aloy, abby and who knows how many other times...
Look at aloy and abby real life model dude.
I don't really trust sony when it comes to female characters face scan.
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Look at aloy and abby real life model dude.
I don't really trust sony when it comes to female characters face scan.
GymWolf
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Not sure about that, her eyes just look wrong.
GymWolf
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I mean, it's not doom or half life, but i think 2 was good enough and the gunplay still looks better than many modern shooters.
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Be honest with me. On your OLED, does this look next gen, compared to Miles Morales? Be honest.
Negotiator101
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Magic OLED?
GymWolf
Gold Member
She is fucking mary jane, she has always been an example of hot redhead in comics and movies, you don't need to go realistic on a fucking spiderman game...
I didn't had a problem with the dude in the fable trailer because i understand the joke and the intention of the developers, in here is different, mary jane should be smokin hot, at least to counter a little how bitchy and annoying she is if she is written like the first game.
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PeteBull
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In that gif it looks like bunch of teens and peter parkers mum (mj ;/)
Johnny Concrete
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Why even use meshes for chest hair when it would look 10x better if it was just a texture with detail maps.I wonder if this game was being developed with the ps4 in mind & then dropped at the last minute. It looks 100% like a ps4 game.
I mean, she doesn’t look bad per se but she does give me Kris Jenner vibes.
This, this is exactly my opinion. Just like A arkhamguy123 said it’s like FF16 some parts look straight out of a ps3 and some look next gen it is polarizing as hell. But I do think this trailer looked better than the first previous one.
GymWolf
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It looks a bit better because it's mostly cutscene.
Yeah, could be that as well. But if I compare it to Miles’ cutscenes the ones here look better.
The game is polarizing as hell some aspects of it look straight out of a PS3 and some look next gen. It could be one of the two, the game was intended to be cross-gen at one point or Insomniac’s engine is in need of a massive upgrade and cannot push next-gen stuff in its current state.
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GymWolf
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I think the difference is minimal.
But i save the final word for when we are gonna play the game in our oleds.
sncvsrtoip
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For me its example how top notch apparently lighting is not enough, game looks mediocre on consoles (blurry, low quality textures and rough characters models and animation).I'm playing Metro Exodus on PS5 and the lighting is very good, I wish more studios would go the way of global illumination and not so much with raytracing reflections.
This creature looks great too.
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ChiefDada
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Yes. I'm always honest especially in this thread. Look guys, I got what I wanted from a current gen only Spider-Man. High quality shadow rendering is featured in almost every scene shown, day and night. The depth it gives to these scenes is awesome. I'm not here to convince anyone and God knows SM2 doesn't need any boosting from me. The trailer is sitting at 3 million and counting. What sucks is that some of you didn't get the next gen feel you've been craving and that's a real bummer. I'm not sure what you guys are looking for but I hope you find it soon.
Something about his face looks off in SP2. Maybe it's the added weight.
Hugare
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In comparison, this is how a bear look in crossgen ragnarock
Apple and oranges, but still...
Bear in a linear narrative focused game looking better than a bear hide from a grunt NPC from an open world game?
Wow, lazy devs
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is kinda embarrassing. Gg had a bigger upgrade going from hzd to hfw on ps4. Same goes for nd with uncharted 4 and tlou2.
How they were able to upgrade character models and other visuals for the same gen while insomniac is struggling to do it on next Gen is proof that insomniac is no where near Sonys own A tier studios.
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The mofo been chugging down them donuts in those 9-10 months that Insomniac said Spidey 2 takes place in.
Bizarre honestly. Yeah he looks a tad better but not a whole gen better than PS4 Spidey let alone PS5 remastered Spidey. It’s weird cuz I always thought of Insomniac as one of Sony’s most talented, most valuable studios hands down. They are proving me wrong at the minute.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yep. i have run the game at native 4k and 4k dlss, rt on and rt off, and its just a flat looking game in general. the problem like you said is everything else from bad asset quality, chararcter models and animations. literally everything about the game screams B euro jank. lighting alone cant save a game.
GymWolf
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Crossgen vs nextgen and if you don't like that example, then check enemies and unimportant npcs in horizon, another crossgen game with probably way more npcs that the 3 spidey games combined.
Even the fucking (literally) bear in bg3 looks better than that horrible bear-hat.
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I think it's the lighting giving Peter P in SM2 an almost hyperreal look,like Tintin.
One thing I haven't seen others mention is how plasticy everyone looks in Spiderman 2. It's a real strange regression in terms of skin rendering. This whole Spiderman 2 thing is super weird, it's almost like Insomniac are purposefully sabotaging themselves. The only explanation I can come up with is that at some point this game must have been cross gen, they then abandoned last gen version and upgraded certain aspects of the game.
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This is not true, in cutscenes you can clearly see bunch of added lights that lit the characters. In MM photomode you can literally do the same thing and it makes a big difference.
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I feel like i am taking crazy pills because this looks virtually identical to Miles. I dont even think they upgraded the Peter model. At least, MJ got an upgrade. i have no idea how anyone can look at these character models and think next gen.
the lighting looks so last gen even in cutscenes.
The lightening is super wierd almost like there's no bounce lighting in the first picture. In the second pic it looks like lighting from the sky light is cranked up, but its not GI so that's why everything looks all even and weird.
Certainly NOT next-gen lighting. Under the bridge at sunset should look more like this and as its sets further. Things get progressively darker in a gradient like look. But its not pitch black.
GymWolf
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Real life model
MAUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.
not only uglier but older, where is the dude that thought it was impossible??
Sony never fucking miss a beat, incredible.
Looks like they added fresnel to their cloth and hair shader and also added better dithering to their hair and finally better eye rendering (iris). But that's about it.
Negotiator101
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The character rendering is not much better from the previous game but from the footage shown they seem to have improved the detail within the environments significantly but it's certainly not a next gen moment.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sorry to quote this pic again, but i wanted to post some comparisons from last gen games.
I could understand Insomniac being behind last gen because they had to make a full open world game while ND and SSM didnt, but GG has proven that you can squeeze more of out even the PS4 hardware. This is simply unacceptable.
Thats no excuse. GG has already proven that you can be cross gen and still upgrade every single aspect of your graphics piepeline from better lighting to more detailed foliage and character models. Insomniac has simply phoned this in like SSM did with ragnorak.
GymWolf
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And people in the story trailer topic has the nerve of asking me why i'm not impressedSorry to quote this pic again, but i wanted to post some comparisons from last gen games.
I could understand Insomniac being behind last gen because they had to make a full open world game while ND and SSM didnt, but GG has proven that you can squeeze more of out even the PS4 hardware. This is simply unacceptable.
Thats no excuse. GG has already proven that you can be cross gen and still upgrade every single aspect of your graphics piepeline from better lighting to more detailed foliage and character models. Insomniac has simply phoned this in like SSM did with ragnorak.
We officially live in bizarro world.
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We will never be impressed if the bar is Naughty Dog.
I keep telling you all that no one is messing with them when it comes to facial animations. But yet we keep comparing. And getting disappointed. No one is on their level. Only UE5 tech demos.
I keep telling you all that no one is messing with them when it comes to facial animations. But yet we keep comparing. And getting disappointed. No one is on their level. Only UE5 tech demos.
I went to those threads (there’s a couple of them) and boy are these people easily impressed by anything. One guy said it doesn’t look that good and he got destroyed. They should come over here, they’ll be eaten up alive, lol.And people in the story trailer topic has the nerve of asking me why i'm not impressed
We officially live in bizarro world.
Gotta say though GymWolf you got toyed with over there. If I were you I wouldn’t let that slip, just sayin
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
She is literally 57 house wife in this screenshot. what the fuck sonySony continue to hate good looking women
They managed to make her even derpier than spidey 1...
Hopefully the hunter dude kills her quickly so i don't have to listen to her telling me how she doesn't need to be saved while i saver her for the 5th time.
Hugare
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Comparing to the industry's best and saying that anything less is unacceptable is the unacceptable part
GG, Rockstar, ND and etc. are anomalies. Imagine comparing every open world game with RDR 2. Not everyone can be Rockstar, and thats ok.
Horizon had Decima engine powering it, arguibly one of the top 3 engines available today. Also had 5 years of dev time fully committed to it, while Insomniac also was making R&C and MM while developing S2
Horizon has huge dinos, but not a full modern city to render, so they have totally different priorities to render stuff
There's so much more to it than just "lazy devs". And again, even if it were just Insomniac lacking tech talent, comparing it to the industry best wouldnt be fair 'cause again, being among the best aint easy
The game will still look better than any other 3rd party open world game, I imagine
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That post contains pics from SSM, GG and freaking Quantic Dream. ND isnt that far ahead and has been topped by other studios since TLOU2. Thats why TLOU Part 1 felt so dated when it came out last year.
Her hair was the best thing about the trailer, as sad as that sounds.
And I don't get how people are calling MJ ugly. She's not a supermodel, but she's far from ugly.
Real life model
MAUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH.
not only uglier but older, where is the dude that thought it was impossible??
Sony never fucking miss a beat, incredible.
Source? She looks nothing like MJ...
GymWolf
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They quoted me, and when i answered they didn't quoted me anymore, not sure how is that toying with me and not the opposite but okI went to those threads (there’s a couple of them) and boy are these people easily impressed by anything. One guy said it doesn’t look that good and he got destroyed. They should come over here, they’ll be eaten up alive, lol.
Gotta say though GymWolf you got toyed with over there. If I were you I wouldn’t let that slip, just sayin
GymWolf
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Why are you surprised? This is based sony work.
Someone posted her in the story trailer topic.
Why are you surprised? This is based sony work.
Curiously, who were ND topped by? And damn are those GIFs impressive.That post contains pics from SSM, GG and freaking Quantic Dream. ND isnt that far ahead and has been topped by other studios since TLOU2. Thats why TLOU Part 1 felt so dated when it came out last year.
I'm just sayin' man. Don't hate the messengerThey quoted me, and when i answered they didn't quoted me anymore, not sure how is that toying with me and not the opposite but ok
Just messin' with ya!
Schmendrick
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Spiderman 2 is just another blow for anyone hoping for decisive visual upgrades of native PS5 stuff over last gen offerings.
It looks like PS4 Spidey`s tech with some tacked on details and slightly improved lighting.
3 years into the gen and with something like the Matrix Demo promising so much more.....well, that result sure is a bummer.
Still looks great, but nothing "next gen" about it.
Starting to think that no engine developer besides Epic actually has the tech to make something really impressive with the power we got, and even the examples we`ve seen from that corner have just been PR slices so.........
It looks like PS4 Spidey`s tech with some tacked on details and slightly improved lighting.
3 years into the gen and with something like the Matrix Demo promising so much more.....well, that result sure is a bummer.
Still looks great, but nothing "next gen" about it.
Starting to think that no engine developer besides Epic actually has the tech to make something really impressive with the power we got, and even the examples we`ve seen from that corner have just been PR slices so.........
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Hugare
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Since I've quoted you before and havent answered you yet: see my post below, 'cause it also fits your postThey quoted me, and when i answered they didn't quoted me anymore, not sure how is that toying with me and not the opposite but ok
GymWolf
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Bend is gonna do what insomniac is not doing, can't wait to see their game.Curiously, who were ND topped by? And damn are those GIFs impressive.
I'm just sayin' man. Don't hate the messenger
Just messin' with ya!
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Im just saying, if we have ND, R* and SSM as the bar then we will likely always be disappointed. No one has proved talented enough to match their output.That post contains pics from SSM, GG and freaking Quantic Dream. ND isnt that far ahead and has been topped by other studios since TLOU2. Thats why TLOU Part 1 felt so dated when it came out last year.
Because even SSM with ragnarok featured last gen looking models. And FF16. Death Stranding was good looking but the game was abysmal. Days Gone inconsitent as hell.
And for me, TLOU Part 1 wipes the floor with all of those games when it comes to facial animations. It was not dated in that department at all. Still the best looking faces out by farr
