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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Honestly I just wish Sony go back to Nvidia and ditch AMD. I reckon price was at the forefront of this move since Nvidia sell jewelry and not GPUs so they went with the cheaper option to reduce cost and price.
H . R . 2
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I am still grieving for Evolution and RAD. Jim Ryan must be held accountable
GymWolf
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That could be achievable with a small, not demanding, 30 fps make everything way lighter.Remember, the PS5 was advertised as an 8K 30 fps capable machine
I can see the next astro platform doing 8k30 just to let df moist their panties.
PeteBull
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Some games it will do 4k60, in those base ps5 does now 4k30 ;D
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Need to see more of this game. If fucking Blooper Team can pull off these faces then UE5 needs to be mandated industry wide.
GymWolf
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Unfortunately nvidia doens't make cpus.
Intel is the next best choice, by their next 2 iterations of gpu they are gonna surpass amd most probably, and they make cpu aswell.
rofif
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Medium looked amazing but this is CG me thinks
Need to see more of this game. If fucking Blooper Team can pull off these faces then UE5 needs to be mandated industry wide.
GymWolf
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Depends on the budget, remnant 2 is ue 5.3 and it only looks decent (great locations, meh characters)
Need to see more of this game. If fucking Blooper Team can pull off these faces then UE5 needs to be mandated industry wide.
GymWolf
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I don't think it is, at worse is an ingame cutscene.
What's this, Alan Wake?
Need to see more of this game. If fucking Blooper Team can pull off these faces then UE5 needs to be mandated industry wide.
Must the CPU and GPU come from the same manufacturer in a console? Mixing it up isn't an option? I have zero faith in Intel whatsoever.
Be careful when you mention location
GymWolf
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The game doesn't have a city, we are safe.Be careful when you mention location
GymWolf
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You are not gonna have amd AND nvidia, so intel or intel+nvidia is the next best choice.
Schmendrick
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highly integrated SoCs are unbeatable in cost efficiency usually if the tech itself is at all comparable.
And AMD has them SoCs? Apologies I am not tech savvy like the rest
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Robbinhood
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What other games besides Spidey 2 are rendering full cities this gen?
SlimySnake
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I mean you yourself literally posted a realtime cutscene from Bloober that is clearly better than what ND managed in their PS5 only game. We have seen Epic's engineers produce two, one playable, demos that look a generation ahead of TLOU2. You are ignoring Hellblade 2 from Ninja Theory. You are ignoring Fable, Horizon FW and downplaying Death Stranding 2 which looks like this. You are dismissing the Ubisoft games even though Avatar was already downgraded, shown running on PS5 and looks better than TLOU Part 1 despite being open world. Besides, ND are the king of downgrades and fake trailers. You dismiss cyberpunk because it only looks good on PC, well ND is now doing dev on PC so there is nothing stopping them is there?
It turns out a lot of devs have topped ND but you are using arbitrary reasons to dismiss every other dev. When in fact you should be dismissing ND for not even adding RT reflections to TLOU when even this B Tier Insomniac studio managed it in 2020 and 2021 with Miles and Ratchet. Euro jank studios like the Metro dev have got RTGI working on consoles at 60 fps no less. This tech powerhouse with the ICE Team working internally couldnt even get a 40 fps mode working in TLOU Part 1.
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SlimySnake
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Cannot wait to see more of DS2, man. It’s been a while!I mean you yourself literally posted a realtime cutscene from Bloober that is clearly better than what ND managed in their PS5 only game. We have seen Epic's engineers produce two, one playable, demos that look a generation ahead of TLOU2. You are ignoring Hellblade 2 from Ninja Theory. You are ignoring Fable, Horizon FW and downplaying Death Stranding 2 which looks like this. You are dismissing the Ubisoft games even though Avatar was already downgraded, shown running on PS5 and looks better than TLOU Part 1 despite being open world. You dismiss cyberpunk because it only looks good on PC, well ND is now doing dev on PC so there is nothing stopping them is there?
It turns out a lot of devs have topped ND but you are using arbitrary reasons to dismiss every other dev. When in fact you should be dismissing ND for not even adding RT reflections to TLOU when even this B Tier Insomniac studio managed it in 2020 and 2021 with Miles and Ratchet. Euro jank studios like the Metro dev have got RTGI working on consoles at 60 fps no less. This tech powerhouse with the ICE Team working internally couldnt even get a 40 fps mode working in TLOU Part 1.
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I love The Matrix demo, it blew my mind.I mean you yourself literally posted a realtime cutscene from Bloober that is clearly better than what ND managed in their PS5 only game. We have seen Epic's engineers produce two, one playable, demos that look a generation ahead of TLOU2. You are ignoring Hellblade 2 from Ninja Theory. You are ignoring Fable, Horizon FW and downplaying Death Stranding 2 which looks like this. You are dismissing the Ubisoft games even though Avatar was already downgraded, shown running on PS5 and looks better than TLOU Part 1 despite being open world. You dismiss cyberpunk because it only looks good on PC, well ND is now doing dev on PC so there is nothing stopping them is there?
It turns out a lot of devs have topped ND but you are using arbitrary reasons to dismiss every other dev. When in fact you should be dismissing ND for not even adding RT reflections to TLOU when even this B Tier Insomniac studio managed it in 2020 and 2021 with Miles and Ratchet. Euro jank studios like the Metro dev have got RTGI working on consoles at 60 fps no less. This tech powerhouse with the ICE Team working internally couldnt even get a 40 fps mode working in TLOU Part 1.
But we have to be real. It ran at 20fps and has like zero gameplay. It's all on-rails and is like 15 minutes long.
We have yet to see anything on the scale of an actual game come close to that. And I don't think any studio except R*, ND or GG can deliver such a thing.
And no, none of those devs have surpassed ND. TLOU 2 was a marvelous technical achievement only matched by RDR 2 last gen. That game is like 30 hours long and straight up looks like a PS5 game on 1.8 a TF machine. Both games today are still basically benchmarks, as in, if it doesn't blow those games away, it isn't next gen. And I'll bet all my money that their next SP game will wipe the floor with whatever most other devs put out. Thats just how it works with ND. And TLOU Part 1 was made mostly by VSG and Bend, it's hardly a ND production, just by name.
I absolutely am not downplaying HFW/Burning Shores, I go to war for those games harder than practically anyone here lol.
The Silent Hill gif I posted, if it comes out and looks like that, I'll eat my words - But these devs, time and time again, have proven me right, it will be downgraded.
HellBlade II looked amazing in its first reveal, then they showed it again and it was downgraded to hell. Still a good to great looking game, but not the showstopper the reveal was.
I am absolutely going to downplay all Ubisoft games until release. They simply do not deserve the benefit of the doubt after all of the HISTORIC downgrades they've pulled off over the past decade. They brought that on themselves. Like, we're talking Killzone 2, E3 level bull-trailers, multiple times. And to me Avatar still looks worse than Burning Shores in every department.
If SW Outlaws actually looks like that I will buy 5 copies of it because I'd be so fucking happy.
That leaves us with CDPR and Kojima. CyberPunk looks amazing on PC, but only on PC. To be fair, Witcher 3 looked great on consoles. So perhaps Cyberpunk was just a one off. Im looking forward to the Expansion coming out. It should look great on all platforms.
Kojima Productions is also up there. Death Stranding looked amazing, as does DS2. Decima engine is fantastic, it has yet to produce an ugly game.
All I'm really saying is... There is the truly elite (Naughty Dog, RockStar, Guerilla Games, Crytek) Then the Great (CDPR, Kojima, Santa Monica, Playground Ninja Theory, etc) Then the rest (Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Blooper, etc) Everyone can make an amazing looking game, but other than the elite devs I listed, they have to prove they can - until it becomes a forgone conclusion that any game they release will be elite looking.
With R*, ND, etc, we never have to wonder if their next game will look incredible, its a forgone conclusion, they never miss.
I hope more devs join their ranks by the end of this generation.
SlimySnake
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i dont know what matrix demo you played but i played the open world demo where i flew and drove around for hours in a fully simulated city with NPCs and traffic numbering in the tens of thousands.
The 20 fps drops are concerning but thats mostly due to the demo being CPU bound. i was able to get a smooth 30 fps by reducing traffic and NPC density by half. When walking around, the game didnt drop any frames. During the chase scene the average fps was 29.5 fps.
ND has been downgrading for just as long as Ubisoft. In fact, the same year Watch Dogs was revealed, ND revealed TLOU 1 with AI that was simply absent from the final game. Then two years later they released that fake Uncharted 4 teaser at 1080p 60 fps that they couldnt even match in cutscenes at 30 fps. Then 4 years on, they revealed TLOU2 with prerendered animations and character models that were not in the final game. they are the king of downgrades.
If you are going to dismiss Ubisoft which went out of its way to show the game running on a PS5 then why trust ND?
I will give you that ND are king at animations, facial rendering and cutscene direction, but other than that, their games during gameplay dont really look generation ahead of even Sonys own studios. go play that seattle day one open world level then try any horizon level. its not even close.
Except for when they missed with TLOU part 1. I dont know man. People said the same thing to me about Spiderman 2, how insomniac never misses and will be the first true next gen game. I kept warning you guys that insomniac is a b-tier studio but you didnt listen and now you have them in the C-tier. ND is clever, they will release a fake Uncharted 4/Spiderman 2 style reveal trailer with insane graphics then show us the real game. Or if they are dishonest like GG, they will create a fake vertical slice then downgrade that as well.
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rofif
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I swear, Death Stranding 2 better have Monster energy drink in it.I mean you yourself literally posted a realtime cutscene from Bloober that is clearly better than what ND managed in their PS5 only game. We have seen Epic's engineers produce two, one playable, demos that look a generation ahead of TLOU2. You are ignoring Hellblade 2 from Ninja Theory. You are ignoring Fable, Horizon FW and downplaying Death Stranding 2 which looks like this. You are dismissing the Ubisoft games even though Avatar was already downgraded, shown running on PS5 and looks better than TLOU Part 1 despite being open world. Besides, ND are the king of downgrades and fake trailers. You dismiss cyberpunk because it only looks good on PC, well ND is now doing dev on PC so there is nothing stopping them is there?
It turns out a lot of devs have topped ND but you are using arbitrary reasons to dismiss every other dev. When in fact you should be dismissing ND for not even adding RT reflections to TLOU when even this B Tier Insomniac studio managed it in 2020 and 2021 with Miles and Ratchet. Euro jank studios like the Metro dev have got RTGI working on consoles at 60 fps no less. This tech powerhouse with the ICE Team working internally couldnt even get a 40 fps mode working in TLOU Part 1.
GymWolf
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Memory lane moment, when i saw this trailer for the first time, the scene when the final punch made the cheek vibrate was one of the most "holy shit this is next gen" moment i ever experienced, that ps3 presentation was magic and they were selling enough bullshit to fertilize a desert
This was way, way beyond anything we had before in terms of graphic, one real step into photorealism, it looks good even today.
This was way, way beyond anything we had before in terms of graphic, one real step into photorealism, it looks good even today.
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ResetEraVetVIP
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I agree, but my point STILL stands…
GymWolf
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Well we don't have to worry anymore about who is right or not, apparently the dude that does the precision correction work after the face scan of the female real life models is the same guy who filmed jimbo during the e3, i think his name is Shaky Mcparkinson
Quite the promotion in role for him.
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I don't know what happened, but characters in cutscenes IMHO looks better in the first game, here the skin looks very off.
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They made her look like a 40 year old woman.
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Yeah but in that open world there was no combat, no interactivity, NPC's did nothing, if a game released in that state it would score 1/10's all around.
And you know me, I dont give a damn about framerate. I would legit take a 20fps game if it looked like that demo.
Sure, every single developer has downgraded their game. ND included. But there's downgrade and then there's Ubisoft downgrade where it's literally an entirely different game. Rainbow Six comes to mind. Watch Dogs, Far Cry, Division, etc. Just egregious. I don't know why you have any faith in them at all? What have they done to suddenly be trustworthy?
I want to believe in SW Outlaws SO badly but I just cant yet. Like how is Ubisoft just going to suddenly produce better graphics than the entire industry when they have never done that before
And ND will downgrade their game, sure yes, but the final product will still look better than anything out at the time (Uncharted 4, Last of Us Part II). When Ubisoft downgrade their game, the final product isn't even the best looking game of the month.
And I know you hate TLOU Part 1 lol, but what don't you like about it? To me it's not a miss, its right up there with Horizon FW, Demons Souls, Ratchet, etc as the best looking games of this mediocre gen.
Like... I don't know how this isn't one of the best looking games of the gen. It speaks for itself. The environments look incredible. And then you add in the incredible faces and it takes it to an even higher level.
Like thats easily one of the best looking games this gen
VeganElduderino
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I would destroy that 40 year old woman !They made her look like a 40 year old woman.
nemiroff
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Good job I'd say. They made her hotter and better looking than the original modelThey made her look like a 40 year old woman.
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Lol. Compare it to miles morals. I’m telling you. There’s no upgrade. There’s cutscenes with miles with SSS in Miles Morales, that look better than any miles model shown in SM2
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Are you serious?
ResetEraVetVIP
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It’s lacking SSS in Spiderman 2. The first two Spiderman games on PS5 had awesome details in cutscenes, blew me away on my OLED…Lol. Compare it to miles morals. I’m telling you. There’s no upgrade. There’s cutscenes with miles with SSS in Miles Morales, that look better than any miles model shown in SM2
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Yes.
You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Time to accept the facts.
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3 months? Common man. At this point mods need to do background check on you to see if you don't work for Insomniac, lol.
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Robbinhood
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Bruh you can't even make out his hair due to the compression, literally has no detail. Y'all obsessed with Spiderman btw.Lol. Compare it to miles morals. I’m telling you. There’s no upgrade. There’s cutscenes with miles with SSS in Miles Morales, that look better than any miles model shown in SM2
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This is wat i expected from a PS5 only Spiderman game
Bro, I would have been happy what they showed with the first SM2 reveal. That fidelity was more than enough for me. That IS what we should have gotten for a PS5 only spider tbf.
Of course I am. I loved the first game and miles morales. I played it day one on PS5 launch. Still looks good.
Just because I’m a PS fan, doesn’t mean I’m deluded into think a game looks next gen because it has a PS5 only stamp.
We both know which picture looks better…
rofif
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She looks like HR department bossThey made her look like a 40 year old woman.