ChiefDada
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Fair, I mean this is the best looking graphics on console. No backtracking at all. This looks near pre-rendered to me.
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Fair, I mean this is the best looking graphics on console. No backtracking at all. This looks near pre-rendered to me.
Negotiator101
Member
I think it looks terrific as I did the gameplay at the showcase, few issues here and there but the big improvement I'm seeing is in the environments. As an overall package though I'm seeing some subpar alpha effects, last gen character models and a last generation lighting engine.
Let's say for instance it's not Horizon forbidden west levels and obviously if it ends up looking like it does now when it releases Hellblade 2 is a generation ahead. 2024 IMO will have games that really are next gen looking but although impressive I'm not sure Spider-Man 2 is.
Schmendrick
Member
Back to pretending cutscene graphics, real time or not, are representative of the actual game, are we? And even if they were...lol for moving the goalposts from "next gen" to " up there with the best(last gen) stuff we had so far"....
Not sure if I should post a Lou comparison which looks ridiculously better than this but is also absolutely not representative of the real game or just post the actual gameplay from SP2 which also looked..." Not next gen" ... Decisions decisions...
Keep on shilling.
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Not gonna lie this does look fire
ChiefDada
Member
I've always appreciated/valued real-time cutscenes, especially in story driven games. This thread is "Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen"; no exclusive qualifier for discussions to be about gameplay only. What exactly is your argument here?
Schmendrick
Member
That's the question you should answer. We got to see gameplay which looked highly disappointing from a visual next gen expectations standpoint, then they release a cutscene trailer and you're acting as if that would somehow make up for how the actual gameplay, as far as we've seen it so far, looks... It's ridiculous how hard you're trying here based on nothing.
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That GIF looks like it could be from Miles Morales and nobody would think otherwise (except the fact that it's not taking place in winter of course). I mean we can all agree the game looks better than MM, but it's more of an upgrade you'd see on the same system when going from early gen to late gen, not a game on a whole different console.
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ChiefDada
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Lol, no. Why would you expect a large amount of gameplay from a story trailer? Sounds like a you problem.
People (myself included) were complaining about the cutscenes from the story trailer 2 months ago; difference being that I said quality would improve, while most (all?) of you in this thread said it wouldn't. I am now comparing story trailer cutscenes from the gameplay cutscenes shown 2 months ago. Are you up to speed now? Again, please don't make me pull receipts.
Schmendrick
Member
Nonsense....
ChiefDada
Member
Lol, I bet.
With all due respect, this scene has no car traffic on bridge and streets and Major parts of buildings are cutoff due to aggressive culling. Not surprised because its for boasting the close up rendering for this marketing piece.
I'm sorry to tell you but even with this looking last gen, it won't even look like this in cutscene or gameplay at release.
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ChiefDada
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That's not aggressive culling, that's a product of the game still being in development.
I'm sorry to tell you but even with this looking last gen, it won't even look like this in cutscene or gameplay at release.
It will look better.
arkhamguy123
Banned
Yeah dumpster fire. Haha no I’m kidding I’m kidding. It’s alright but Chiefdada saying the best graphics on console? Oh hell no.
It looks good. That’s it. Demon Souls and HZ2 already look better. And don’t even make me bring up the fantastic 4 of avatar, Star Wars, fable, starfield that just dunk on this from the international space station
arkhamguy123
Banned
Looks good but best graphics on console…? I don’t know man
Nice find, lol. That's straight up COVID traffic (or lack thereof) right there. This is how they sell you dreams with these cutscenes, before you snapped back to reality.With all due respect, this scene has no car traffic on bridge and streets and Major parts of buildings are cutoff due to aggressive culling. Not surprised because its for boasting the close up rendering for this marketing piece.
I'm sorry to tell you but even with this looking last gen, it won't even look like this in cutscene or gameplay at release.
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Be real my guy, 3 months is only enough time to polish what you already have, not upgrade overall visuals and fidelity. You trying to sell people pie in the sky and doing yourself a major disservice.
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It aint best graphics for sure but that scene he posted looks really good. Might still be a cutscene mind you, and I think it is. But credit where credit is due.
Starfield?
DuduIsDisappointed
Banned
I like that frame
it seems to me that the City feels much more full, with more objects if that makes sense, and things are very detailed once you are on the ground
I think we will realize that the final game IS like the vídeo annoucement once we are playing it and moving peter/miles while walking on the streets under the same condicions (night with fog)
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
WRONG. its because there was a coronavirus curfew when this gif was taken. Get your facts straight!With all due respect, this scene has no car traffic on bridge and streets and Major parts of buildings are cutoff due to aggressive culling.
ChiefDada
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The WGP was designed in part so that RDNA 3 CUs would have access to more bandwidth by grouping 2 CUs for every WGP instead
3 months is an eternity in post production stage of game development. Insomniac had Miles Morales performance rt mode up and running in less than month.
That first gif of miles was in the game at the end. Was that not real time?I wouldnt blame PCs for Sony studios not taking advantage of the IO and SSD. I just dont think anyone is going to design or redesign entire genres and their gaming philosophy just because cerny added all that IO stuff in the PS5 APU. Sony Devs just want to make cinematic games. No one is going out there to reinvent gaming. Definitely not Sony studios. Valve, Kojima, and Nintendo EAD are probably the only ones who would do something with it, and I doubt even they are thinking too much about it.
Ratchet used the SSD and IO stuff to the max and it can run on PC without an ssd. And thats a game designed around the ssd and the PS5 IO. Fact of the matter is that IO was never going to be this magic bullet that would change gaming forever. it didnt need a 30 minute section at the ps5 reveal. the GPU is still the most important thing in a console as we can see from some of the latest games.
Chief dada isnt the only one. the gaf thread, the era thread, and all of twitter is full of people claiming it looks next gen. he's just their representative in this thread. it is what it is.
In the Miles trailer, they were showing 'realtime' clips of him looking like this.
I called out jstevenson on era about this and he got a bit defensive. but i let it slide because i figured its a ps4 game at heart and this is what i would get in the ps5 only sequel. Nope, this was clearly pre-rendered like those TLOU2 character models, otherwise they wouldve simply inserted this model in the ps5 only spider-man 2.
Either they have completely been lying to us for 3 years or this game is a PS4 game and they are hiding that until the day it launches on ps4.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nope. If it was. The entire game wouldve looked like that.
ChiefDada
Member
Jesus Christ Slimy it was real-time. That's why there is a difference in quality when running in fidelity vs performance modes, not to mention it runs with every different suit choice. Name one game that looks as good as it's best cutscene. In fact, Insomniac is arguably the best when it comes to gameplay vs cinematic quality.
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ChiefDada
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The craziness is mostly contained within this thread. It's fun here but my goodness is it a struggle to find rationality sometimes.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Literally the next shot of his face with the full suit is way lower quality.
Robbinhood
Banned
No way starfield is part of a “big 4”.
Graphics are good, which is surprising from bethesda but characters are horrible and most of the environments are fog ridden and bland.
Spiderman 2 looks more than good enough, how good I dont know but ps4 cant run it that’s for sure. Its hard to compare it to anything there’s very little games running in a big city like this. Cant compare foliage heavy games to cities.
Graphics are good, which is surprising from bethesda but characters are horrible and most of the environments are fog ridden and bland.
Spiderman 2 looks more than good enough, how good I dont know but ps4 cant run it that’s for sure. Its hard to compare it to anything there’s very little games running in a big city like this. Cant compare foliage heavy games to cities.
ChiefDada
Member
That's the thing though, I don't think it's fair to label the PS5 version of Miles Morales as a PS4 game. Insomniac went beyond resolution/framerate boost with new asset materials, lighting, and ray-tracing; it's almost like Insomniac is being punished for developing native PS5 versions of SM Remastered and Miles Morales. People would probably appreciate the generational uplift more if there was never a PS4 version.
One of my favorite scenes in MM on PS5 is when Miles is accepted into the Underground. The emissive lighting filling the scene and bouncing off of Miles, the shadows that run across him as he walks by and the ray-traced reflections on the floor were incredible as I walked through. I would never imagine such fidelity on PS4. See timestamped videos below. Again it's possible you don't value the difference as much as myself and others do but when it comes to lighting, even the "smallest" changes are very impactful.
Compared to PS4 Pro version
ChiefDada
Member
That doesn't change the fact that the sequence in question was running in real-time, does it?
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
If yall guys don't see the problems with the new trailer than you got some low expectations. Ofcourse there are some parts looking good in a trailer filled with cutscenes, but there are also lots of parts looking average while also been cutscene. Shit like this has no place in a PS5 only spiderman game after the brilliant PS4 Spiderman game and excellent cross gen MM on launch.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
There is no "Big 4". And none of them aren't even out yet. Lets see how they actually look on release.
Devs have been lying to our faces more blatantly than ever recently.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
its possible that particular shot was pre-rendered. we see this in FF16 all the time. they switch out character models on a whim. i just found out that the entire water was pre-rendered during the boat chase sequence. but the rest was realtime.
if you look at that first trailer for Spiderman MIles, back when they were first pretending it was a PS5 only game, they show only two shots of miles. the one where he takes his mask off which is not in the game, and the second one which is a massive upgrade over what we got in the cutscenes and even in the sequel.
average age of gaffers is 33.5 according to evillore. and the thread you are in is not about whether or not last gen graphics are good enough, but what should be for this new generation of hardware. And no one, no matter what age, sex, ethnicity, would expect last gen graphics after spending $500 upgrading to a new gen hardware.
proandrad
Member
You are comparing only screen shots and YouTube videos that are capped at 30 fps, and that is a disingenuous way to comparing ps5 graphics to ps4. Playing these games at high framerates on a VRR display is a massive jump from anything on ps4. Even the last of us part 2 with a simple fps patch makes the game look leagues better on a ps5 than a ps4 in motion.
DuduIsDisappointed
Banned
I'd really like to understand this...
I've scene many of the best SpiderMan2 scenes that look better than avatr scenes
Some avatar scenes look downright last last gen yet it gets a free pass while SpiderMan2 is bashed at any opportunity.
I've scene many of the best SpiderMan2 scenes that look better than avatr scenes
Some avatar scenes look downright last last gen yet it gets a free pass while SpiderMan2 is bashed at any opportunity.
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You can compare it to other games through YouTube and screenshots and it still looks like garbage.
Not sure about the free pass thing, seen plenty people commenting here how Avatar wasn't all that impressive to them. The only thing I'd say though, the impressive looking parts of Avatar look far more impressive than ones in SM2.
proandrad
Member
Framerates play a large role on how a game looks visually and you can’t compare that in screenshot and YouTube video. These screenshots comparisons are trash.
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DuduIsDisappointed
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Not this youtube compression nonsense again. a next gen game will look next gen regardless of the youtube compression. Fable, Star Wars, Matrix, Avatar, and spiderman 2's original trailer look a generation ahead of what we are getting here. the fucking youtube compression capped at 30 fps did not effect the first spiderman 2 reveal trailer, did it?
absolute nonsense.
my favorite part of this is them ignoring the first spiderman 2 teaser that looked a generation ahead of this shit.If yall guys don't see the problems with the new trailer than you got some low expectations. Ofcourse there are some parts looking good in a trailer filled with cutscenes, but there are also lots of parts looking average while also been cutscene. Shit like this has no place in a PS5 only spiderman game after the brilliant PS4 Spiderman game and excellent cross gen MM on launch.
proandrad
Member
That matrix demo looked like a slideshow trash.
arkhamguy123
Banned
You heard me.Starfield?
The constellation NPC Sarah has hair strands that rival if not match or surpass MJ and one is an prominent NPC massive game with 1000 planets and the other is a love interest main character in a single player expensive Sony Spider-Man game so
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arkhamguy123
Banned
people slandering avatar and starfield while praising Spider-Man 2…
Sounds like an excuse people make when the game they really like doesn't look impressive. A game will always be judged by screenshots and YouTube videos until it releases, saying we shouldn't judge it on those things is straight up ridiculous.
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It's ok, we all occasionally get things terribly wrong.
proandrad
Member
It’s not ridiculous because these are video games not photo games. People need to stop pretending framerates aren’t a major part of the graphical presentation.
arkhamguy123
Banned
Forgot Harry who looks pretty bad too. Looks like a main character outta watch dogs 2014If yall guys don't see the problems with the new trailer than you got some low expectations. Ofcourse there are some parts looking good in a trailer filled with cutscenes, but there are also lots of parts looking average while also been cutscene. Shit like this has no place in a PS5 only spiderman game after the brilliant PS4 Spiderman game and excellent cross gen MM on launch.
You can see framerate in videos you know. You have to take your concern to Insomniac and not people here since they're the ones who chose to only show 30fps gameplay. I'm also not sure how framerate will improve visuals lol, sure things will look smoother, but fidelity will actually be worse in performance mode.
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DuduIsDisappointed
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many of aavatar gameplay scenes are below this
the best scenes of Spiderman 2 would easily pass as nextgen for you guys if it was being developed by another Studio telling you that they are using ue5.
It Just need the ue5 logo
I think we've seen enough UE5 demos to know that Spiderman 2 looks disappointing in comparison. In fact UE5 demos are one of the main reasons why people are harsh on SM2, because we know what current gen can deliver and SM2 ain't it.
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