MidGenRefresh
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What difference does it make?
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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What difference does it make?
Its not representative of actual gamplay or any part of players experience or for that matter a demonstration of the power of the XSX. Its tech demo territory pure and simple.
MidGenRefresh
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You’re in the wrong thread, lol.
I dont think anyone here is expecting 10,000 Interative Havok rigid bodies this gen.
MidGenRefresh
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We need more dynamic worlds with better physics, I don't know why it bothers you.
Yes we do for sure.
It doesnt "bother me" its just that it seems like the way it keeps getting brought up here is to bolster claims that Starfield is very much next gen when...well....it isnt really.
To be fair those gifs are some of the coolest shit ive seen on here in weeks.
MidGenRefresh
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It feels next gen in more areas than it does not. I’m having a mighty great time on PC.
ChiefDada
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Really? Interesting. I don't doubt the game is a good time (eventually) but still much more divisive than I ever imagined. Up until Slimy gifs showing off the physics, I had yet to be impressed with much of anything from the game.
It doesn't even look better than Miles Morale...
and stop mentioning the Matrix demo...This is what it looks like when updated to the latest engine version.
TonyK
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It doesn't seem the same place. Are you sure both correspond to the same emblematic place?
yurinka
Member
It isn't a real time video, at the end of the video it says that it's a CG video rendered in 6 hours.
No idea, I've seen it on Twitter
ChiefDada
Gold Member
yeah but the real-time version still looks very similar to it, which is why i posted it.
real-time version still looks very similar to it, comparison with SM2 and miles morale on the other hand barely shows any difference.
Which is why people have to reach back to SM1 and you know this.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Ok then share with us the real time version and we can go from there. That's hardly the only issue with your comparison.
Slothbeing1209
Member
When does this release?
I google search and it just show 2023. It's september already lol.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
arkhamguy123
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They’re different landmarks entirely
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
A couple of things:
1) i posted these gifs to show that starfield IS indeed doing stuff at a bigger scale with a greater visual fidelity than skyrim and fallout were doing last gen. so in that sense, i felt those gifs show a generational leap.
2) it is also true that bethesda DOES not utilize these physics ingame to this extent. jackfrags did a very extensive video on this spawning close to 100k objects in one room and the framerate only started tanking after he spawned 20k objects. even then it remained in the high 30s until he got close to 50k. i honestly, have no idea why they didnt have every object in the game have actual physics like control.
3) the game gives you force powers like control that let you levitate all of these objects you can pick up in every room. so the physics apply to id say literally dozens of objects in every room plus any npcs. but again, nothing else like computers, desks, chairs, etc is impacted which is a shame because the engine can clearly handle it.
SlimySnake
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This is a random outposts in a random planet i dropped into to see if it was viable as an outpost. When you go inside, its literally the same cave copy pasta from an earlier story mission lmao.
But not gonna lie, the lighting and asset quality even in these throw away levels is really great.
But not gonna lie, the lighting and asset quality even in these throw away levels is really great.
It doesn't even look better than Miles Morale...
and stop mentioning the Matrix demo...This is what it looks like when updated to the latest engine version.
Hahaha. Matrix OG demo looks better. But that 5.3 demo isn’t real-time. It’s offline. It was rendered in 6 hours on a 4090 and 10900k is not demonstrative of the demo we played on PS5.
Nah it’s not close, that CG Matrix video looks like real life. The demo we have on PS5 has poor image quality and not anywhere near as good as that video you posted. But still looks better than SM2.
mrqs
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This makes me think of something.
If the engine is capable of rendering so many objects, it boggles my mind trying to understand why they didn't use that anywhere in the game. It might show up when the world has low gravity or you make them fly away, but still, why do developers work on features like these to just make them useless if you don't see them in action?
Like, just a high-ceiling chest that you open and the weapons fall down would already be impressive. It doesn't need to be 10,000 objects, but having the world feel more alive with a dozen objects falling or making it more part of the gameplay would be nice.
It seems like a waste for people to toy around with commands.
It reminds me of the mysticism that you can see in caves in Tears of the Kingdom that's barely used anywhere else. Or the wobbly flesh bodies in Guardians of the Galaxy that were only used on a few enemies. There are a bunch of examples.
For me, nothing makes the world feel more real than actual physics or world interactivity. Games as they are are mostly just theater in a movie set made of titanium, and I really hope this changes someday.
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Yah we should also remember that with Nanite Higher native Res equals Higher Polygon count.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ok, this is next gen and physics finally being utilized in video games for the good of mankind.
arkhamguy123
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You’ve pulled an FF16 arkhamguy123 with starfield
The physics in starfield can be appreciated without having to play with the console commands. Any fight around cluttered areas using explosive ammo or gravity powers has objects flying all over the place. Would have been nice if some of the structural objects could have been damaged/destroyed though, it's very control like in this regard.
This isnt a fair comparison.
SM2 is hit with direct light while SM1 is only hit with ambient light which is a worst case scenario.
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I absolutely Loathe videos like this. Unreal Engine 5 was designed primarily as a realtime rendering engine. Posting Pre-rendered In-engine videos of it is the worst kind of click bait. No one is searching YT for videos of pre-rendered UE5 footage. The vast vast majority are looking for what the engine can do in realtime and these mother fuckers damm well know it.
Who in 2023 gives a flying fuck what visuals UE5 produces when pre-rendering.
Shits click bait pure and simple and would piss me off way less if they just did a comparison at the end of these videos showing the differennces between realtime lumen and there multi hour render settings.
solidus12
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Does the game have breasts and butts jiggle physics?
ZehDon
Gold Member
Wait does that mean we can drag dead bodies around by there hair?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ok, Sarah looks pretty good in some dialogue cutscenes.
Sadly she looks like this during gameplay.
We need hero lighting during gameplay. We need more devs to follow GG's lead.
Sadly she looks like this during gameplay.
We need hero lighting during gameplay. We need more devs to follow GG's lead.
HighPoly
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by looking cars and city in Spider 2, could we imagine the density of GTA 6 ?
My spidey senses tell me the vast majority are gonna be disappointed with GTA6.
GymWolf
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We must be playing different games then because the game feels archaic if anything.
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MidGenRefresh
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I’d use word fragmented. But I can live with it. Loading is fast, one sip of a drink long so it’s not an issue.
GymWolf
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he looks 60 in the first pic.ok, Sarah looks pretty good in some dialogue cutscenes.
Sadly she looks like this during gameplay.
We need hero lighting during gameplay. We need more devs to follow GG's lead.
HighPoly
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by leakers and the complexity of the game, we'll probably gonna see a GTA 5 with some anabolization, and this is sad
It's "she" you Bigot!
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GymWolf
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I was talking about slimy, if you look closer you can see his reflection on the screen.
Hugare
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You can see how the tech barely evolved (on this aspect)
To me it's crazy that a game with baked lighting (no dynamic TOD) can look this bad
They just enabled SSAO and called it a day
The AO coverage on pedestrians, pidgeons and etc. is freaking massive, with huge circular shadows around them
Posts like these make me dislike Insomniac more and more. They spread themselves thin by working on multiple projects all at once. Quality over quantity my man, always been!
You can see how the tech barely evolved (on this aspect)
To me it's crazy that a game with baked lighting (no dynamic TOD) can look this bad
They just enabled SSAO and called it a day
The AO coverage on pedestrians, pidgeons and etc. is freaking massive, with huge circular shadows around them
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Did you just assume my gender??!!?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The vast majority of people will be seduced by all the minute detail and useless features rockstar is so good at advertising in their gameplay deep dives.
But the rest of us will see through the facade almost immediately because there is just no way it looks as good as the matrix. this game started dev in 2013. there is just no way they have matrix quality visuals when they started working on this title with PS4 specs as base. Its just too late to do anything about the visuals or physics or anything remotely next gen.
expect souped up RDR2 graphics at best. Had they begun development after shipping RDR2, I wouldve had more hope for it. Those leaks showing dev being done on PS4 devkits in 2019 dont help.
It looks absolutely atrocious. Here is my screenshot from similar time of day in Spiderman 1. Not the remastered PS5 version.
they have somehow managed to make lighting look worse.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
This had me fooled for a second