One gif is from the PC version, the other from the PS5 version. At first i thought it would get downgraded like starfield, but after seeing the Alannah pearce video on the starfield direct, its obvious that that game was not downgraded. At least not from that trailer. Game was just uneven and Bethesda just showed the best looking parts. Same is probably true here and game will look ugly in some other places marketing is not showing off, but i expect the PC version to look this good in that particular area.
Gaslighting is when people try to convince others that their personal experiences or perceptions are wrong. That's literally what you guys have been doing to me when I pointed out that the fast traversal in spiderman 2 is next gen or the enhanced traffic and NPC density is next gen. I never tried to convince you all that the visuals in spiderman 2 are next gen. Even if I did that, it wont constitute as gaslighting. now if I dismissed your opinion that spiderman 2 has last gen character models and building assets then tried to manipulate you into thinking that the buildings and character models are indeed next gen then sure, thats gaslighting. But i have not done that. Stating facts like it has next gen traversal speeds on par with the UE5 flying sequence, traffic density similar (NOT on par) to the matrix demo and setpieces way ahead of what they were able to do last gen is NOT gaslighting.
Would you agree that the lighting and level of detail is a generation ahead of TLOU2? forest might not be as dense but like ive said numerous times, anyone can pick one level from a last gen game and said it looks better than next gen only games doing far more next gen things. Overall though, Alan Wake 2 is a generation ahead of TLOU2 in lighting, level of detail, asset density etc
There is nothing I want less for games to be full of famous actors...
Alan wake 2 will be the graphics king probably until Witcher 4 , the last of us 3 , gta 6 , gears 6One gif is from the PC version, the other from the PS5 version. At first i thought it would get downgraded like starfield, but after seeing the Alannah pearce video on the starfield direct, its obvious that that game was not downgraded. At least not from that trailer. Game was just uneven and Bethesda just showed the best looking parts. Same is probably true here and game will look ugly in some other places marketing is not showing off, but i expect the PC version to look this good in that particular area.
Gaslighting is when people try to convince others that their personal experiences or perceptions are wrong. That's literally what you guys have been doing to me when I pointed out that the fast traversal in spiderman 2 is next gen or the enhanced traffic and NPC density is next gen. I never tried to convince you all that the visuals in spiderman 2 are next gen. Even if I did that, it wont constitute as gaslighting. now if I dismissed your opinion that spiderman 2 has last gen character models and building assets then tried to manipulate you into thinking that the buildings and character models are indeed next gen then sure, thats gaslighting. But i have not done that. Stating facts like it has next gen traversal speeds on par with the UE5 flying sequence, traffic density similar (NOT on par) to the matrix demo and setpieces way ahead of what they were able to do last gen is NOT gaslighting.
As for Alan Wake 2, see the gifs below. If stating an opinion that Alan Wake 2, arguably, the best looking game ever made looks better than the UE5 PS5 demo is gaslighting then we might as well shut down this thread because we all did this when discussing the samaritan demo and other UE4 demos.
Would you agree that the lighting and level of detail is a generation ahead of TLOU2? forest might not be as dense but like ive said numerous times, anyone can pick one level from a last gen game and said it looks better than next gen only games doing far more next gen things. Overall though, Alan Wake 2 is a generation ahead of TLOU2 in lighting, level of detail, asset density etc
UE5 PS5 demo was literally just a bunch of narrow corridors and rocks until the end when they copy paste the same statue a million times. Compare it to the city level in Alan Wake 2. Way more detail.
I am not going to discuss the UE5 90 days demo because i didnt say Alan Wake 2 looks better than the Matrix or any other UE5 demos. They obviously look better than Alan Wake 2. But the first demo? Lighting is clearly better and it has insane level of detail in parts. And when compared to the three UE5 games released so far with nanite, Lords of the Fallen, Remanent 2, and Immortals, its literally a generation above in terms of detail and asset quality. So UE5 doesnt automatically turn everything into next gen. Devs still have to design their assets to look next gen which is what Alan Wake is doing.
What's happened to this thread is that only UE5 games are allowed to be next gen. Any other game could use fancy SSD tech and not be considered next gen. Any other game could use the CPU to enhance the traffic and pedestrian density and not be given the same credit we gave to the matrix demo. Games can use mesh shaders, increased level of detail, path tracing, and look a generation ahead of actual UE5 games using Lumen and nanite, and people praising them are labeled insane. The asset quality and modeling in starfield's interiors is leagues ahead of anything ive seen. its using realtime GI when literally three other games used it this gen on consoles and all of that is dismissed because it didnt look amazing in its open world. Like come on.
Why is everything so binary in this thread? Why cant we praise one aspect of a next gen game as next gen while admitting that it has flaws or things that arent next gen?
yeah that's not very convincing... maybe it's short or low budget.
its $50 because its not getting a physical release. that helps them save costs on distribution. It's $60 on PSN.
maybe so... there could be some truth to that.
Question: would a pro version be capable of that path tracing seen in the top screenshot?Here is Path Tracing vs PS5 comparison of the same town scene. Looks like path tracing has way better light bounce but overall you probably wont notice the difference unless you put them side by side like this.
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Here is Path Tracing vs PS5 comparison of the same town scene. Looks like path tracing has way better light bounce but overall you probably wont notice the difference unless you put them side by side like this.
Path Tracing:
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Looks like saturation/bloom changedHere is Path Tracing vs PS5 comparison of the same town scene. Looks like path tracing has way better light bounce but overall you probably wont notice the difference unless you put them side by side like this.
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Nope. Pro will probably be somewhere between a 6800 and 6800xt and thats not enough to do anything with ray tracing unless its using RDNA 4 rt cores. even then, not enough tflops.
the volumetric fog in the distance is getting illuminated by the sunlight in the pt shot. its not just the buildings that are getting a glow up from more accurate lighting.
I don't think so.
The volumetric fog is probably maxed out on PC vs medium on PS5, but the shadows are the same so the buildings should have the same brightness.
You know I aint no tech head but I read in the ps5 pro leaks thread that the ps5 pro might be equivalent to a 7700? With a better cpu might even jump above that. Now what that exactly means not sure and I am not sure if this will be the case or not with a price tag of at least $600 for the pro.Nope. Pro will probably be somewhere between a 6800 and 6800xt and thats not enough to do anything with ray tracing unless its using RDNA 4 rt cores. even then, not enough tflops.
This is cyberpunk at 1080p. no upscaling. amd gpus just cant handle it. Alan Wake 2 has higher requirements because its a next gen game unlike cyberpunk which is still fairly cross gen. They require a 4070 as a minimum and dont even bother listing AMD GPUs for path tracing options. Again, things might change if AMD improves their RT performance with RDNA 4 and PS5 Pro uses RDNA4 rt cores. 4070 would be around 20% faster than the pro based on current leaks so maybe with some settings downgraded, it might run the game at 1080p with 720p internal resolution at 30 fps.
I am personally going to be playing this with rt off. half of the game is set in the wilderness and the city is too dark for reflections or rtgi to make a huge difference. will probably target 4k dlss quality at 40 fps.
Also, I wonder if quality mode on ps5 version will have any RT at all
7700xt runs cyberpunk at 7 fps though lol
I appreciate your input, guys!
Nextgen graphic need nextgen hardware, you silly smurf.
But I have played path tracing in cyberpunk. It looks more natural to the eyes, yes but the hit to resolutions is far too high for most of us not running 4080s or 4090s. For me its either 4k dlss quality to get the game running with standard rasterization and rt reflections or downgrade all the way down to 1440p dlss balanced to get similar performance.
i said unless you put them side by side. we were just discussing how Alan Wake 2 only looks good because of PT and all this time most of the gifs were from the PS5 version.
Alan Wake 2 is taxing even with RT off. Its a true next gen game that is targeting 1440p 30 fps on a 10 tflops GPU like the 6600xt. And thats with fsr set to balanced so 960p. In reference, Cybeprunk runs at 4k fsr quality in its rt mode on consoles. So 1440p internal resolution.
Looks like a pretty big difference to me, but that is me.Here is Path Tracing vs PS5 comparison of the same town scene. Looks like path tracing has way better light bounce but overall you probably wont notice the difference unless you put them side by side like this.
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I disagree. I can give you that it might look slightly better than the released TLOUS 2.
Well that's the entire point. Nanite and mesh shader allows you to instance the same mesh thousands of times in different size, shape, orientation and material.
You do realize that Lumen in the land of nanite (PS5 demo) has more small details than all the other UE5 demos other than the Electric Dream forest demo? This includes even the Matrix Awaken demo. Matrix Awaken has big details (buildings) and some medium size details (rooftop objects) but the streets are mainly empty of small details.
Of course you are correct. I was exaggerating.
Like i said before, their decision to stick with ps4 quality buildings, cars and character models is overshadowing all the other good work they did with the traffic, lighting, ray tracing, npc behavior etc. Hope they learn from the internet backlash. Twitter is full of this and i know jstevenson lives on twitter so they will see it even if DF wont mention it.
DOF seems to be off on the PS5 version. I think there may be moving cloud shadows effecting bloom as well.
