There is a sub on reddit "fucktaa" and it's full of worst takes.
It is native!
TAA can look clean until you start moving, I'm not a big fan of it at all. DLSS quality at 4k or even better DLAA is the way to go for modern games, period.
I chose TAA over FSR when playing callisto recently. FSR added so much more jaggies and shimmering whereas TAA not only removed them all but also retained the crisp look of native res.
oh god I swear... FSR2 is only good when you use it at 4k and quality or ultra quality preset... barely.
Well fuck me, now I feel like an asshole, I'm also an artist, 2D artist, so I really put ahead of everything the artistic touch of a game, but this is the thing, we gotta stop thinking of graphics this way, and more in a technical way.No one is shitting on Cyberpunk though. I want to be clear I'm an artist looking in, not a graphics programmer. I'm pointing out what newer games are doing in their lighting models from my pov as an artist. Recent retail games like Starfield, Mortal Kombat 1, WWE 2K23 now have a wider range of shades in the model; These newer range of shades are important because it is displaying the distance of light traveling.
I don’t know if I’d put CD projeckt red on the level of the other two but I see what you’re saying.
Alex11, this is the graphical fidelity I expect thread, all these games will be critiqued. If you're a fan of these games then this thread is probably the wrong place to be in, respectfully.
Not really, it was ugly and muddy back then and it's even worse now. They had to cut almost everything special about Halo 3/Reach to make room for shitty lense flares and bloom. Advanced AI, big levels, HDR lighting, physics, water physics, high res textures, volumetric clouds, etc. Not to mention the generally bad art style that looks dated as hell today.
Another shot of Cyberpunk, there are a lot of shadows that are not in these scenes, but I'm just pointing out a few examples.
This is why the range of shades are so low, not only do you need more shadows in these scenes but you also need to capture the distance reduction of light travel between the object and a surface on a material.
At this moment im not even sure if you are trolling or you are seriously believing the shit you posted.Upcoming Grand Theft Auto 6 using the new lighting model I talked about earlier.
Man, one time they say it doesn't have bounce lighting and point out dark areas the other time they say its missing shadows on places that show bounce lighting lol. I swear i can't take some of the posts here not even that serious anymore. Especially with the examples of other games they compare it with. Just look at this post below where he still claims that CP2077 doesn't have enough bounce lighting after all the examples i have showed them. And how ironic they always post those crushed black shots with lots of contrast. Same with the guy above, he thinks that the harsh shadows are better than the realistic soft shadows from CP2077 you see from bounce lighting. He think that even the inaccurate lighting and shading in SF is better than CP2077. Like how can i discuss with those guys if they keep posting shit like this where im literally mind blown how they prefer old inaccurate lighting over path traced lighting.
Why does your shots of CP2077 have crushed the blacks and have too much contrast?It's not changing the narrative.
Path Tracing is cyberpunk simply lacks bounces so it ends up creating too dark shadows where there should be some more light.
That said, if these aren't the best screenshots I've ever taken. HOLY FUCK
Especially that first one. fuck me that's amazing
Like, I think the shadow under the car and on the side of the box in last pic should be brighter. In reality, I would be able to tell details there.
Now, that might be up to HDR. This is monitor and HDR job to do/simulate that but I played with hdr and it doesn't help here.
Look at metro exodus rt version. It's still plenty bright under the car and it was way too dark too in original rt version
The technical phrase your looking for is called "Attenuation" of light which falls off its brightness via an inverse square. And yes its super important.
Can you confirm in OD mode whether or not the police weapons produce light when firing...same with the SWAT like teams and the thrusters from there vtol craft?Another shot of Cyberpunk, there are a lot of shadows that are not in these scenes, but I'm just pointing out a few examples.
This is why the range of shades are so low, not only do you need more shadows in these scenes but you also need to capture the distance reduction of light travel between the object and a surface on a material.
Native 4k with Fxaa downsampled to 1080p results in flawless image quality on my Plasma. Shit looks straight prerendered without any blurring at all 100% of the time.
It does. Yes. That’s what I’ve said. I posted it to show it’s crushed but otherwise looks good. I don’t like how dark it isAt this moment im not even sure if you are trolling or you are seriously believing the shit you posted.
Man, one time they say it doesn't have bounce lighting and point out dark areas the other time they say its missing shadows on places that show bounce lighting lol. I swear i can't take some of the posts here not even that serious anymore. Especially with the examples of other games they compare it with. Just look at this post below where he still claims that CP2077 doesn't have enough bounce lighting after all the examples i have showed them. And how ironic they always post those crushed black shots with lots of contrast. Same with the guy above, he thinks that the harsh shadows are better than the realistic soft shadows from CP2077 you see from bounce lighting. He think that even the inaccurate lighting and shading in SF is better than CP2077. Like how can i discuss with those guys if they keep posting shit like this where im literally mind blown how they prefer old inaccurate lighting over path traced lighting.
Why does your shots of CP2077 have crushed the blacks and have too much contrast?
If i post this and claim that those games and engine don't have bounce lighting how accurate is it?
Thanks. Huh it looks kinda hit and miss or at the very least the flash doesnt travel very far. It looks like there is zero or very little bounce. Glad it wasnt omitted. One of there showcases must have been bugged. Hmmmm.
I don't understand what you want from me. I really don't.
This is what you said.
So you post screenshots where the constrast is broken and the blacks are crushed and tell me that the image is too dark because it lacks bounce lighting in path tracing. Just imagine if i posted a 240p screenshot and claimed that UC4 or Forspoken running at 8k have bad image quality. You do the same shit that Lumpyoatmeal guy is doing by using pictures with broken contrast and crushed blacks to create a false narrative.
They changed to restir in 2.1 and it seems to have a slightly slower temporal accumulation than 2.0. So the muzzle flashes are probably a bit dimmer as a result, i've noticed it even with ray reconstruction on. You can see it on more than just the muzzle flashes but in other scenarios the light is on long enough that full brightness is still achieved.
Cgnoire, I have no interest in playing Cyberpunk. I got that screenshot from Turk1993, I had to literally dig into his post history so I could analyze the lighting model.
But normally the game doesn't look like your screenshot lol. That is the problem, your screenshots have bad contrast and crushed blacks. There are tons of video's on YT and none of them have the dark constrast and black so crushed as yours. I think i know what the problem is with your screenshots. Do you use HDR in this game? And if yes did you tweak it or leave it standard? Because when i compared some pictures in HDR and non HDR some time ago before the 3.5 patch the HDR pictures looked like your pictures. It was broken and had no setting to tweak with.
What are you talking about?But normally the game doesn't look like your screenshot lol. That is the problem, your screenshots have bad contrast and crushed blacks. There are tons of video's on YT and none of them have the dark constrast and black so crushed as yours. I think i know what the problem is with your screenshots. Do you use HDR in this game? And if yes did you tweak it or leave it standard? Because when i compared some pictures in HDR and non HDR some time ago before the 3.5 patch the HDR pictures looked like your pictures. It was broken and had no setting to tweak with.
Ive been thinking about this alot lately and I think these games despertly need AEC Automatic Exposure Control to mitigate this issue.
And thats what im telling you.
Literally oversaturaded, dark contrast and crushed blacks because of your HDR like i said.So when you actually play with HDR, on hdr screen it's better but in general it's very contrasty.
Your shots look washed out honestly.
Sometimes it looks like this:
Those screenshot are not even close to how it looks compared to my screenshots. They all look the same as your other screenshots and have the same shitty contrast, oversaturation and crushed black man. Now i know why you think it looks dark, you been playing the game like that lol.And in other parts of the city or time of day it looks like your screenshots. That's what Path Tracing does. It's nothing wrong with capturing my shots or settings.
I mean yeah ok but it's not my fault the game HDR looks like that.And thats what im telling you.
Literally oversaturaded, dark contrast and crushed blacks because of your HDR like i said.
Those screenshot are not even close to how it looks compared to my screenshots. They all look the same as your other screenshots and have the same shitty contrast, oversaturation and crushed black man. Now i know why you think it looks dark, you been playing the game like that lol.
And some of them are even before RR3.5
Nah man, i have the same tv as you (the 55inch model) and the HDR mode is oversaturaded, crushes the blacks and fuck up the contrast if you don't tweak some settings.I mean yeah ok but it's not my fault the game HDR looks like that.
They just mastered it too look like that with hdr.
Again - it's a bit too hard to show how hdr looks like with just screenshots. Even well tonemapped like these.
Looking through my hdr pics, not screenshots, you can see how it looks closer in reality.
I think this more contrasty HDR presentation still looks better than just sdr.... even if it's a bit dark.
Yes cp2077 got some good options... I though I had it set right. Ah anyway. I am not playing that shitty game now anyway
Every TV is different, so the default settings may look good on another set, which is why you always have to adjust to get the sweet spot for your set
Yeah, I know how you feel and you can post however many examples with good explanations and all would be futile.
DS still looks sooo good.But compare it to their previous efforts, Terminator looked decent enough in UE4, but the jump in Robo is nuts. It's very impressive for a low budget studio.
Terminator
Robocop
DS2 will look spectacular, currently playing Death Stranding again and it still looks lovely.
All TVs should be calibrated to a standard. It’s not about what you think looks good, it’s about the proper settings. The creators intent.
THe common term is Contact HardeningHere's a shot of Toy Story 4, showcasing this quality.
Detail like this to an untrained eye can easily get overlook, but this is why videogames today have that sterile feel because they can not simulate this level of quality yet. If you want a real world example then turn the lights on in your caveman basement, next open the palm of your hand (object) and slowly move it close to a wall (surface) or a table. As your hand get closer to the surface pay super close attention to how smooth the shade gets as you reduce the distance of the light travel on the surface between your hand removing any scattered color bounces in the environment the closer your hand gets (you can translate this jargon into CGNoire's lingo "The technical phrase your looking for is called "Attenuation" of light which falls off its brightness via an inverse square."), your favorite videogame will never do this especially in motion.
