Look, Three people who see what I see. I guess I'm not completely insane after all?
Yeah the faces still look like wax. UE5 facial and character rendering still looks significantly better than it.
Agree, the finer micro-details of the infamous rocks in ue5 demo are still a notch superior.
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Missing TLOU 1 Remake, TLOU 2 Remastered and Cyberpunk 2077 (Pathtraced).
I agree after seeing the Matrix Awakens demo and some of PS5s exclusives, games can look much better but Devs are using old engines, rendering techniques and old assets to get games out fast etc. You can’t have CGI visuals without high poly counts, perfect textures and GI… thats why cyberpunk overdrive mode (sometimes) and the matrix awakens look “next gen”, look at parts of HFW, TLOU 2, FF16, Spiderman, Alan Wake 2 and a few other games, you can see glimpses of next generation in them when everything aligns just right.
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tells you all DS2 is trash and posts a garage of Alan wake 2 and cyberpunk screens
The lighting was the biggest improvement to me. It was the first thing I noticed because of the GI light bounce in almost every area. It doesnt feel like the light hits the rocks or mountains and gets absorbed in, it feels like it bounces off of it. You can see it in the mountain collapse gif when you compare it to the rocks in Horizon Forbidden west. It's the environments that feel PS4.5 to me, but that could be the youtube compression hiding the texture detail. Still, its a generational leap over DS1 and HFW in lighting, asset quality and character models.
Something that looks better than this in gameplay:
Its an EMPTY open world. Its like people forgot what causes memory leaks, game freezes, long loading times, etc. Ofcourse they can pump up all their resources into the scenery when 90% of the time its just one chracter on screen, not having to worry about animation and tasks of another 30-50 characters around. As someone that finished DS1 again on the PS5, that game already looks stunning so I dont see what is the big deal now, because to me, these in game cutscene models, their skin textures is exactly like it was in the first game. I dont see any advancement here, Im sure someone will soon make a comparisson video.
I wouldnt have it any other way. Otherwise it would be like an era circle jerk. It's the dissent that keeps this thread going strong.
I think UE5 has ended up being a disappointment so far but its been mostly c tier developers making games for it. Id hold off until i see games from Crystal Dynamics and CD Project. Hellblade 2 isnt using nanite or lumen but still looks phenomenal and thats an Unreal Engine game. I think the character faces in Hellblade 2 dont have that uncanny valley effect because NT has always been great at facial animations like ND and KojiPro.
i kinda like the waxy look lol. Gives it that cg look but hellblade 2 is definitely going for a more photorealistic look like TLOU2. GTA6's character models are straight up cartoony in comparison to both DS2 and HB2 but they still look fantastic because of the facial animations and hair. Also, we havent seen any gameplay footage of GTA6 yet and both DS2 and HB2 look way better in cutscenes, so that might be the case with GTA6 as well.
Open world being empty doesnt mean the GPU doesnt have to render massive draw distances, all that geometry and tesselated rocks and surfaces. Especially in a game like DS which has physics applied to every single nook and cranny so every surface is filled with geometry which is very expensive on the gpu.
I wouldnt have it any other way. Otherwise it would be like an era circle jerk. It's the dissent that keeps this thread going strong.
I think UE5 has ended up being a disappointment so far but its been mostly c tier developers making games for it. Id hold off until i see games from Crystal Dynamics and CD Project. Hellblade 2 isnt using nanite or lumen but still looks phenomenal and thats an Unreal Engine game. I think the character faces in Hellblade 2 dont have that uncanny valley effect because NT has always been great at facial animations like ND and KojiPro.
I just love the skin shaders on Lea Seydox's face in the scene with the puppet. Her skin shaders in DS1 just didnt glow like you would when you are bright room like this. She's easily the best looking character in the game. I am curious to see what Dakota Fanning's sister would look like when she's not in shadows.
i kinda like the waxy look lol. Gives it that cg look but hellblade 2 is definitely going for a more photorealistic look like TLOU2. GTA6's character models are straight up cartoony in comparison to both DS2 and HB2 but they still look fantastic because of the facial animations and hair. Also, we havent seen any gameplay footage of GTA6 yet and both DS2 and HB2 look way better in cutscenes, so that might be the case with GTA6 as well.
Id rank, HB2>DS2>Callisto>GTA6 in terms of character models, but GTA6's scope is just in a league of its own. I dont think ANY game coming out in the next 10 years until rockstar's next game will be able to top it. We will have to settle for comparing individual elements like lighting, hair, character faces, etc. Rockstar is using its 3,000 devs to basically destroy all competition, but kojima with his 100 devs has done a remarkable job as well. Sucks it took him 6 years though.
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2 heaviest hitters we know about for next year so far.
IDGAF about different art styles, which one looks better to you guys?
Sorry mate but you're comparing DS2 to GTA6?
2 heaviest hitters we know about for next year so far.
IDGAF about different art styles, which one looks better to you guys?
Heaviest hitters? DS2 is a heavy hitter in what regard? DS2 looks nice but it's not doing anything much more than the original, GTA6 is the game of the generation.I'm not a fan of the twerking simulator that is GTA6, but you have to be out of your mind to compare a game with extremely dense and rich environments full of NPCs, vehicles, buildings, physics and interaction to a game with barren empty lands of DS2. There's literally little to nothing going on in DS2 lol, and we all know you can't play cutscenes.
2 heaviest hitters we know about for next year so far.
IDGAF about different art styles, which one looks better to you guys?
The fact that you peak the worst condition gameplay shots in the trailer and those shots have special lighting , weather and fog conditions due to developer choise means that all your talk are nonsense , I love hellblade 2 and gta 6 but I can peak shots from their trailers that looks worse than ds2 shoots that you peaked , in the end gta6 , hellblade 2 , ds2 and star wars outlow are currently the only games that show me true next gen graphics from the upcoming gamesSomething that looks better than this in gameplay:
Anyone who thinks these gameplay shots look a generation above original DS is capping hard. If you told me these shots were from PS4 game I would have no reason to not believe you.
I know some folks here have a hard on for some environmental shots, but I'm not seeing anything impressive in those either given the fact that 95% of those lands are barren and empty.
Most of the shots that they actually showed from a gameplay perspective where you can clearly see it was a person playing were all in foggy and rainy environments, so maybe you should blame the devs for that instead of trying to shift it on to me. But then again, you're the same guy that is liking all the non gameplay impressive shots others are posting, so it's hard to take you seriously with your accusations of bias.
Obviously people's above post many gameplay shots and gifs which looks far better compared to the ones that you peaked , I don't feel like I need to post them again
Almost all the shots people are posting are either cutscenes or "gameplay" shots with controlled camera. The actual gameplay bits were very few (4:04- 4.30) and I posted images from 3 of the 5 actual gameplay sections from the trailer. The other two were Sam walking at night and one with him crouched in reddish environment, which once again had fog in it.
Actually if you ever played death stranding 1 you will know that those gameplay shots with controlled camera will look the same when you played and control the camera also there are many gameplay other than gameplay shots between 4.04-4.30 and you don't even post the good gameplay shots between 4.04 -4 30
cutscene obsession in this thread will at some point will make me altogether give up on this thread. it really makes the entire thread boring. by that logic nothing tops heavy rain or beyond two souls on ps3 in terms performance to graphics ratio
Dude, they only showed 5 bits of gameplay in those 26 seconds. I posted images from 3 of them, the other 2 as I mentioned above were Sam walking at night and Sam in a reddish foggy environment. People already posted the other 2 multiple times and I'm not seeing anything impressive about them, nothing to call it next gen. Also one of them had foggy environment and you already complaind that I posted shots with foggy environments lol, although 4 of the 5 gameplay bits devs showed were in overcast conditions.
Give me any ue5 released or upcoming pc or console game that looks better than ds2 in those shots
We're yet to see AAA studio use UE5 with all of its new features, but doesn't mean anything since we've seen UE5 run on consoles and Matrix demo was released for all to try. Let's not pretend like current gen consoles cannot handle UE5 demos, because they all ran natively on these consoles. There are many AAA UE5 games in development so it's only a matter of time before we see them.
Apparently people are supposed to be impressed by that. If you told me that was from Starfield (another game with barren lands full of rocks and sand) I would have to believe you.Not sold on these rocks until we get better quality footage.
I don't say that current gen console can't handle those demos but I know that full scale game use far more resources than small demos also I think some ds2 environment shots looks very close or identical to those ue5 demos .
Matrix demo had way more going on and I'm sure was way more taxing on hardware than DS2.
Not even talking about being barren, just how unimpressive the rocks look.
I've seen people claim that Decima now has its own Nanite and I was just shaking my head. The tech they're using is more detailed than last gen, but it's still way behind Nanite. Remedy also could not match Nanite, not even close. Right now UE5 is in its own league with tech advancement, we just yet to see big projects come out that use it. I'm sure in time others will catch up with UE5, but right now nothing comes close.
While I'd rather not compare these game's it's clear that HB2 is pushing a similar level of fidelity in the environments and even higher quality character models.
I don't think so.
I'm getting a strong feeling of your bias towards DS2. How can you not think that a detailed city with ray traced GI with hundreds of cars and NPCs is not more taxing on hardware than an NPC walking about in barren lands with few buildings in between and couple of enemies on screen?
You think DS2 will be 4K? no chance.
I don't defend any game that don't worse if you know me or see my previous comment in this theard you will see how I attack those lazy developer's who give us last generations graphics like spider man 2 , suicide squad , other games
Yes it is, I get it, they look nice, especially from top dogs with a high budget, but people need to separate them somehow from actual gameplay when talking about graphics, 90% of the time there is such a huge gap between when you play and watch a cutscene.
