Still the best looking game of the gen overall to me. Masterpiece in visuals. I was fucking blown away in 2022. Never got lost in a world like that before. Not in years.Hopefully more studios can use the Decima Engine for their games, it has beautiful visuals and is apparently really efficient, HFB runs really good.
series s doesnt come close in anything though lol
Snow drop is better in pretty much everything save for maybe cutscenes but we will find out later this year when they ship outlaws.
Yeah, her face in the cavern was horrible, they have upgraded every trailer since 2021 and now the game looks awesome, Senuas face looks like the UE5 tech demo that was shown last year..
They never said those facial animations will be during the gameplay. actors cannot facial capture hours of facial animations at all times. they capture the facial animations for the 2-3 hours of cutscenes they shoot and those are the facial animations you saw in that video.
They have definitely upgraded her face. It looked sorta bad at all angles tbh..The game awards face looked weird only at certain times because there is very little hero little there as opposed to games like TLOU2 and Horizon that add hero lighting on the faces in every cutscene regardless of time of day and location.
shes also wearing face paint and then the rain fucks up her make up causing it to look less impressive than it actually is in other parts of the video when there is more light.
The game looked fucking incredible in 2021, but people memed that final shot of her face because its fun to shit on games nowadays.
It’s a great looking game - I have one major issue with it tho. The lighting just is not very good compared to most modern games. I don’t know what the reason is. But I went from Horizon to Jedi Survivor and somehow there were parts of Jedi Survivor that looked better even though almost all other areas of the graphics were worse. Or I’m just crazy lol
Not sure why you have an issue with me saying its their reveal trailer and also a tech demo as you know very well you can make tech demos from actual games. For example the Lord of the Fallen Tech demo. Tech demo just means "technical" demo or "technical" showcase.
Since when is it automatic that something being in a reveal trailer mean it will be in the final game? After an uncountable number of games showing things in the reveal including whole/parts of levels that are not in the final game? Honest question.
In my opinion this has zero overlap with Avatar.
AW2 wasn't downgraded. There are still companies who don't partake in the downgrade BS.
See we both agree on what good graphics look like. I don't think we ever disagreed on visual fidelity.
Nah HB2 environment lacks the micro-detail, sure they have the rocks but the micro detail of variety and the texture resolution isn't there.
in-engine IS real-time.
Incorrect. In-engine can mean pre-rendered using the engine. That's why it says "in-engine" and not "real time running on [insert hardware]."
In-engine does NOT mean pre-rendered. Not sure where you got that from but that has never been true.
Running in-engine does not mean it's running on specific hardware. You can run path tracer in Unreal Engine, but you won't be able to run that in real time on any hardware at acceptable framerate. Also, who told you "in-engine" and "real time" mean the same thing? That's never been the case, hence why the term "real time" exists.
Which is why I said It doesn't mean its pre-rendered but in the context of games, it almost always means its real-time.
in the context of games, it almost always means its real-time.
Dude, it doesn't, lol. Many games use UE for pre-rendered cinematics with disclaimer that it's "in-engine". In-engine simply means it was rendered using Unreal Engine, often used for cinematics and target render. Saying "in-engine" and "real time" mean the same thing is completely untrue and that's never been the case.Which is why I said It doesn't mean its pre-rendered but in the context of games, it almost always means its real-time.
You are the one saying it means its pre-rendered. in-engine simply means rendered by the game engine, it doesn't tell you whether its real-time or not.
in the context of games, it almost always means its real-time.
Literally from the use of "in-engine" throughout gaming history.
Heck the game we are just talking about where they move the camera around live in real-time. What's that text at the bottom?
Oh yeah "in-engine".
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about even when shown clear undisputable evidence contradicting you.
Dude, you're talking complete BS and can't own up to it, lol. This is the first time I've ever seen anyone on this forum claim "in-engine" and "real time" are the same thing. You're the one in minority here.
You are not crazy. Horizon fw kinda falls apart in some lighting scenarios whereas Jedi shines in those very same lighting conditions because of that realistic RTGI light bounce producing some great indirect lighting. Is the Same reason why DG2 looks so great. I was just in a dense forest and the sunlight would only affect part of the forest. The contrast between trees under direct sunlight and trees covered by shadows but still lit thanks to bounce lighting is very realistic. The game can go from looking ordinary to simply beautiful depending on the lighting.
Clearly pre-rendered. I could keep going and post 98+ more games and it would be pointless as you clearly have your head in the sand.
My guy, you claiming things nobody claimed before and wanna act like you're in the right. This is embarrassing.
I assume you're referring to the big benadikta fight? That shit was next gen as fuck
S setoman is right though. In-engine almost always means realtime.
It's still better to be skeptical, I just can't trust developers these days especially for a tech showcase.
In-engine means it's running within engine, it does not mean it's running on target hardware. Watch Digital Foundry's analysis of Hellblade 2 reveal trailer, they state that in-engine can mean the game is pre-rendered. This is why the phrase real time exists, it differentiates itself from those trailers that maybe pre-rendered within engine. This is why FF16 trailers used phrases like "captured on PS5" while also showing bits that were clearly pre-rendered. The term "captured on PS5" usually means it's real time, however some devs use in-engine pre-rendered cinematics for this phrase as well.
I think most of the time ambiguity is on purpose as lot of the early trailers we see are out there while the games are still in pre-production.
Exactly what came to my mind at first
In-engine is basically code for pre-rendered. All those Battlefield trailers are in-engine and are pre-rendered. You can easily tell when something is pre-rendered. Forget the FF16 pre-rendered cutscenes, even FF7 Rebirth uses inengine pre-rendered cutscenes and they look a generation ahead.
Until it is played on the actual hardware it is targeted on, any on stage live demonstrations should be put in the carefully optimistic zone.
This is how it was always used to be, but because recently some devs use the terms "in-engine" and "real time" interchangeably, people have gotten really confused. Now some don't even know what the term "in-engine" means and think it means the game is running real time, but that's not always the case and in the past it never meant real time.
I have learned enough to be able to tell the difference. You can have realtime demos like Days Gone, Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2 reveals and still get downgrades. They were not pre-rendered. They were said to be running on the Pro. Horizon was captured on the PS5 and was downgraded from its initial trailer. Spidemran 2 was also confirmed to be realtime. not in-engine. not ingame. not pre-rendered. realtime. Didnt stop them from downgrading the shit out of the game.
I have learned enough to be able to tell the difference. You can have realtime demos like Days Gone, Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2 reveals and still get downgrades. They were not pre-rendered. They were said to be running on the Pro. Horizon was captured on the PS5 and was downgraded from its initial trailer. Spidemran 2 was also confirmed to be realtime. not in-engine. not ingame. not pre-rendered. realtime. Didnt stop them from downgrading the shit out of the game.
I think it comes down to various factors. I have seen enough of UE5 to see what it is capable of. I have seen enough bullshit from Sony studios to know that that most of these studios will have downgrades post reveal. And yet i bet when Sony studios show similar looking games this E3, this thread will believe that those visuals are possible. At that point, if i came in pointing out the TLOU2 faces downgrades, or Spiderman 2's night time downgrades or Ghost of Tsushima;s wind downgrades, people would like wtf get outta here.
And id agree with that. I think we need to be able to discuss whats shown without constantly living in fear of downgrades. Some devs do downgrades. Some do upgrades. who cares. We will discuss the downgrades when they come. Devs will always show their games in the best possible lighting conditions. Rockstar just did this 3 months ago. Amy has chosen to show cutscenes. cutscenes with hero lighting, hero assets, with perfect hollywood quality cinematography. Of course that will look better than actual gameplay graphics. but those same assets and environment lighting effects will still be there. We saw this with starfield. Stunning asset quality. Stunning lighting. That falls apart outdoors in procedurally generated planets and cities that go from looking amazing in some lighting conditions to bad in others because they clearly didnt get enough love. A carefully crafted linear game with no day night cycle will not have those issues.
I would like people to be be able to articulate which part of this gif will get downgraded. Even assuming the cutscenes quality remains the same.
Will the building in the background lose all the detail? What about the trees? Will they go away? the snow on the railings? is that going away? the sun peaking through from the right. would it be replaced by PS4 quality lighting? The textures on the suits?
what gets retained and what will be downgraded? We can bookmark this post and come back to it come launch. I think the cutscene will look virtually identical. Gameplay will have remove the post processing effects that give it a cinematic feel and downgrade the character model fidelity a bit like most games do nowadays when they switch from cutscene to gameplay. but the rest will look virtually the same. especially the world in the background.
i have seen and played what nanite is capable of when rendering buildings.
And it still doesnt.
I mean, it looks like they started completely fresh and decided to go all in with the latest tools from unreal engine, and seems like they must have some partnership with them too as they were at gdc with epic. It must be quite a talented team too as tools alone don't mean anything if your art direction and engineers aren't up to scratch. I guess other developers are too focused and stuck with their existing workflows and tools that they can't make proper use of new tech so easily. It is bizarre though that we're 4 years in and nothing has come close to this yet. We really don't have much info on gameplay yet, I think they mentioned 4 playable characters, but not much else.
interesting
The Series S really was one of the most short sighted idiotic management choices ever.
interesting
The sales would be much much worse for Xbox without a cheap option.
Didn't watch the whole thing but he said brixelizer gi is intended for a fallback for none RT hardware. It's probably going to be similar to lumen sw/hw where brixelizer works like sw lumen (less accurate) and a hardware RT GI mode will be more accurate and maybe more performant.
