Many of us are just passionate gamers with no much knowledge on how engines work, so we just speculate and dream big
Tbf in china they pay devs with cup noodles and fortune cookies, you can't really compare the budgets.
mesh shaders and Nanite..although similar in philosophy aren't the same thing
That is in fact what I said, Nanite is a software solution based on raster but it's still achieving better results than the hardware accelerated ones available for RDNA2/Turing architectures and up, which interestingly enough AW2 aside have been used to render open world games that simply don't look nearly as good as either Hb2 or Wukong. Coincidence?
You always have to consider the amount of work it takes to get to that level of fidelity..first, Fable just isn't that style of game...and they aren't going to go on trips all over the world to photoscan a bunch of locations...something you can do if your game is small and only features a few locations. Imaging the amount of work and data they would need to make an open world version of hb2...that's why you see the difference. One is still sculpting and doing a traditional pipeline mostly and the other is scanning everything.
I thought you were talking about Nanite and the difference between linear and open world.
Just virtual geometry in general, Nanite might be its poster child but there have been other methods out there like Snowdrop doing open worlds that have proved inferior to the current, linear UE5 efforts. There have also not been UE5 open world games yet, and frankly I can't think of any coming anytime soon. I'm speaking of the present, but that's not what a fulfilled promise (four years into the gen) looks like.
agreed, the graphics need to be reigned in depending on the world layout, navigation through it, how many characters will be on screen, and any effects they want to layer on top. You can make an incredibly detailed game where you are only allowed to move slowly and face off against a few opponents at a time, but would immediately run out of VRAM and crash if you tried adding another character on top of that at the same quality level.
That sound a little strange...so there is no way to get hb2 level of details without scanning stuff in real life?
But Fable is not made with UE5, it's using the ForzaTech no ?
it does yes. or at least a highly modified version of it I assume
You can sculpt meticulously but that takes lots of time and of course money....that's why you just scan shit...you can't get more real than real. often with these discussions i see people tend to forget the realities of production and budget. Can you sculpt to that level...yes but it will take you longer and cost more money..why would you do that? especially if that level isn't even something you want to achieve in the first place.
Let's throw out the fact that most assets are scanned in nowadays, and assume that every developer has access to the same set of super high resolution objects, characters, and landscapes. There will always be hardware limits that dictate how many of those you can feasibly include on screen at once before the whole thing slows down to an unplayable FPS. Tradeoffs need to be made to deliver the type of gameplay and experience the devs are aiming for.
And no in 20 years that won't happen because software isn't static..you'd have a host of new tools to reach that fidelity easily
So it's more of a matter of power and hardwares not powerfull enough in the end.
I think it's indeed ue5.
Of course, the Ps5 is a glorified 2070....you're not going to get the latest greatest out of that, i have a ps5 devkit at home...you can squeeze a lot out of it..but it comes with caveats...if you want a giant open world with hb2 levels of fidelity and tonnes of characters on screen...then you have to turn off their shadows...due to how VSM works or not use them like Wukong did...or turn down the shadow quality until it looks like poo or you can use Nanite but bake your shadows and not use lumen...something has to give
Exactly, take HB2 and decide you want to be able to drive through the environments instead, ala GTA. Once the car gets 10 feet ahead where you would be on foot, now the engine can't load in those same high resolution assets in time, and the dev either has to cut the level of detail to accommodate the new speed of traversal, or you'll end up driving into a blank void for a few seconds while the engine drops to 1 FPS and tries loading in everything
I doubt it was made by only 30 developers. Regardless, this game puts Ragnarok to shame. Santa Monica should take some notes.
Many of us are just passionate gamers with no much knowledge on how engines work, so we just speculate and dream big
From what I see for Fable, Playground uses the same engine as for Forza Horizon and not UE5.
Yeah after a brief research it seems like the fanmade fable 1 remake is being made in ue5 but new fable still use forzatech apparently.
It seems impossible to me that only 30 devs managed to made this, I 100% believe this number is fake
Its like the 20 devs of biomutant but when you watch the credits it's much more people.
Deaf spraypainting wukong mission when?Its like the 20 devs of biomutant but when you watch the credits it's much more people.
The game feels like it was made by a big sony first party tbh, i mean except for the protagonist that doesn't talk much
It feels way more quality than sp2 if you ask me, maybe it's just the high level graphic that trick me.
Thanks for reminding me those shitty missions in SP2 ^^
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I think they definitely can forbidden west has some of the best looking npcs to this day
Oh shit i did not know
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This.
My friend is playing this on a 2080 4k dlss performance around 45 fps. Star Wars is almost exactly 45 fps for him as well. im honestly blown away by how amazing that card is holding up for him. Mostly because he is using it with a 7800x3d. I had that card for years before giving it to him and it started showing its age as soon as the PS5 launched. However, its entirely possible that my cpu was holding it back especially since the new RT games do impact the CPU in ways older last gen games did not. I also saw this when i upgraded my i7-8700 to i7-11700k. massive 20% performance boost even in 60 fps games. I thought my gpu was the bottleneck because it would always hit 99% but simply upgrading my cpu gave me a boost in many RT titles.
well, both wukong and star wars have RT technically. its just there with sacrifices. last gen, the ps4 pro and x1x didnt have RT at all.
It’s so silly because the iq here is much worse and it actually has texture streaming issues that herhimself tweeted work arounds for.
It clearly shows. There's an argument to be made about AAA bloat but BMW is not the game to make that argument.....
I wish they never created it, relatively small devs were rolling their own solutions or optimising existing ones and looking better doing it. Now we have devs across the board just slapping FSR on. Even with adequate base resolution it's still not as good as what we were seeing in the latter end of the last gen.
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