The very best AMD currently has is ~40% slower in raster and ~60% slower in RT than a 4090. That`s nothing you just make up for in a single gen with barely any node progress, especially not for cheap.
there is a big difference. cyberpunk runs twice as fast
Yea, we have different definitions of obsolete
What do you mean? Wouldn't a 4090 tier PS6 make a 1500 dollars card essentially obsolete? Who's gonna pay that much when your 700-800$ PS6 gets there?
How is Sony going to be able to offer that in 2027-2028 with how silicon prices and node shrinks have developed? 700-800$ for a 4090 level card + fitting CPU + Storage + Controller + +....
Sony fanboys think death stranding 2 is the best looking game of all time. I dont really care what they have to say. they also thought sony would never port their entire lineup to PC and yet here we are.
Storage, controller, cpu are all cheap. CPU wont need a big upgrade anyway.
No dude, those were very very different times. Moores Law wasn`t completely dead back then and 35k Wafers literally weren`t even in people's nightmares. For that reason neither is the 1080ti situation in any way comparable to what hardware manufacturers have and will have to deal with from now on nor are components like CPUs cheap by any means, unless you want to completely forego further developments and aim for another PS4 situation.
Looking at AMDs PC parts.....nope. The necessary gains within a single generation are in the 40/60 (raster/RT) range to close the gap to the 4090 from AMDs current best 800€ part. That pretty much exceeds every best case scenario
I'm running a 9800x3d and 9070XT and am maxing out cyberpunk with psycho RT at 1440p fsr4 90+ FPS in dogtown.
My hope is it's not functionally a PS6 Portable but a PS5+PS4 Portable (fingers-crossed for PS1/2/P/Vita too) and that they're using a heavily cut down PS6 UDNA/Zen6(?) chip instead of an RDNA2/Zen2 chip not to play PS6-only titles, but so they can utilise the hardware-level back compat inherent to it and leverage its far greater efficiency to run PS5 & PS4 games at a much lower clock with lower thermals/power requirements than they otherwise would using a simple, shrunken PS5 chip.
He's right tho. Sony is going to want to maximize profits, as will the companies that make games for them - and if the handheld does well they will focus on bringing everything to that - will be similar to series s
switch sold a gazillion units. no one gave a shit. switch 2 is the fastest selling console of all time. no one gives a shit.
If PS6 needs to be $1000 to be truly next gen, let it be done.
Poors can play on ps5
Completely with you. I feel burned on the PS5 "pro" needing a stand and a disk drive separately only to show up every year with various remastered games from the last decade.
we did this last gen as well. we looked at what AMD had back in 2019 and figured thats the best PS5 could do. I remember Alex using the 5700xt's specs to suggest that ps5 cant have RT. And a lot of folks here dismissed 2.0 ghz clocks as unrealistic on a console. sony shot well past that. and used rnda 2 gpus that werent even out by the time the ps5 came out.
Not even. 600 dollars in '28 or '29, and forcing the games pipeline to actually focus solely and completely on that console will do the trick.If PS6 needs to be $1000 to be truly next gen, let it be done.
Poors can play on ps5
You're more optimistic than me, if the ps portable outsells the ps6 that's when I think we'd have problems but yeah
I do lol. It should be at least as powerful as a pc with a 4090 imo
I agree, I was just pointing out that she looks even worse because of the weird unnatural alterations to whoever the actor is.
Yeah but it didn't have RT and was maxing out at 1.7 ghz . People in the next Gen hardware speculation thread used that to dismiss the leaks that had the gonzalo chip at 1.8 ghz and the Oberon chip at 2.0 ghz. Cerny shot past both of them to deliver 2.23 ghz that has traded blows with a 1.8 ghz 12 tflops xsx gpu all gen thanks to its higher clocks. All the While offering rt.5700XT and PS5 GPU are very close in power (6700 is actually a bit more powerful than PS5).
Even though inclusion of RT hardware etc came as a surprise last gen`s expectations concerning the silicon`s raw capabilities became mostly reality. And that was when we still had a good fab progress cadence.
We´ll get about half a classic node shrink step from RDNA4 to RDNA5/UDNA and another 30+% higher wafer prices at the same time. Closing the 40/60% performance gap to a 4090`s raw power within that one generation would be a leap we haven`t seen since back when Moore`s Law was still in full effect, and then we`d probably still be talking about a ~300+W die with at least a 700+$ price sticker just for the GPU.
UE5.4 and actually UE5.3 added automatic shader gathering and compilation so devs dont even have to do anything. They just have to upgrade to the versions that are now officially 3 versions behind the latest one.
maybe 4090 is too optimistic then. 4080 should be doable though. thats only 2.5x more powerful in terms of raw power and 3.5x in ray tracing.Even though inclusion of RT hardware etc came as a surprise last gen`s expectations concerning the silicon`s raw capabilities became mostly reality. And that was when we still had a good fab progress cadence.
We´ll get about half a classic node shrink step from RDNA4 to RDNA5/UDNA and another 30+% higher wafer prices at the same time. Closing the 40/60% performance gap to a 4090`s raw power within that one generation would be a leap we haven`t seen since back when Moore`s Law was still in full effect, and then we`d probably still be talking about a ~300+W die with at least a 700+$ price sticker just for the GPU.
Let`s just say I admire your optimism
As I see it there are limits to how expensive you can make a console and still expect it to sell and I don´t see Sony eating huge losses on each console ever again.
My bet would be that we´ll get something around 9700-9700xt raw performance coupled with a zen 5 (maybe even x3d) and a lot of ML upscaling/framegen and whatever else they can come up with. Maybe we´ll get ML features like what we`ve seen from Nvidia`s Blackwell AI suite custom-hardware accelerated. As standard features things like that could maybe make a difference..but that is to be seen.
No way would I ever have believed the PT-Off screens are from a game with mandatory RTGI.......Tons more Doom PT comparison screens here
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...ark-ages-path-tracing-dlss-4-multi-frame-gen/
So it's like PT or nothing at all. The lighting is no good without it
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...e-rtx-50-series-4k-screenshot-comparison-001/
This almost looks like the difference between software and hardware lumen. Their RTGI coverage is just way too low to be even considered RTGI. Shouldve probably used software based techniques like Software Lumen, Starfield's realtime GI and the Crytek's realtime GI we saw in KCD2. It's much more performant, and they couldve probably used the rest of the GPU on better asset quality/materials.Tons more Doom PT comparison screens here
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...ark-ages-path-tracing-dlss-4-multi-frame-gen/
So it's like PT or nothing at all. The lighting is no good without it
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforc...e-rtx-50-series-4k-screenshot-comparison-001/
Yeah, if they're partnering with third parties to put out official Xbox handhelds then my money is on them basically releasing a modular PC box for the next console. They can even sell co-branded upgrades every time there's a new advancement in PC graphics. Imagine being able upgrade your console's graphics card on a whim. Sounds annoying but I think they could print money off the accessory sales alone.
You'll take your PS6 The Last of Us Part 1 Remastered Remake and you'll bloody like it.
Exactly.
It's quite an early RTX implementation so doesn't have new optimisations like ray reconstruction , mega geometry etc so it's just not as efficient as new games. Running it natively at 4k is just going to be very heavy regardless, even with the new optimisations.
Kinda absurd that i can't max out a 2019 game with a 1100 euros gpu...
Maybe you can override it in the nvidia app or that dlss override tool.
I don't like to use any of that stuff but thanks anyway.
So how impressed we are with bananza??
it lets you pick the internal resolution. 2560*1440 is the internal resolution you should be choosing as the internal resolution.
