Gahiggidy said:Don't bother. Its boring.
Hawkins: Nintendo is definitely past their prime and might be better served by focusing on children's toys, handhelds, and software rather than the mainstream console war, which is an expensive battle of attrition.
Gahiggidy said:Don't bother. Its boring.
Ferroni: With 20-plus million consoles sold...
Xbox
U.S. Launch Nov. 15, 2001
15.2 million units worldwide*
I just stopped reading right there.Microsoft's message for Xbox was far too inclusive, saying, "We're just like PS2, only better," when it should have been "Are you sure you're cool enough to own an Xbox?"
Nonetheless, Sony has won this round by the numbers. It's a hard fact--more profits simply equate with success.
Ferroni: With 20-plus million consoles sold and more than 1.5 million Xbox Live members targeted by the end of this fiscal year, Xbox is clearly resonating on a cultural level. We have bold plans for evolving our solid brand, but it's too early to talk about them.
Project Midway said:lol. Interesting article.
Why do these experts say that Nintendo should stop making hardware when they still make profit from it?
Hawkins: Nintendo is definitely past their prime and might be better served by focusing on children's toys, handhelds, and software rather than the mainstream console war, which is an expensive battle of attrition.
DSN2K said:GameCube is a failure.
As for Hawkins, I have a hard time taking him seriously after riding 3DO into the ground. Nintendo still has something sell when everything has been said and done, regardless of them not slinhing themselves right into the middle of this battle that ultimately has little to do with video games.
DSN2K said:GameCube is a failure, does not matter if its sold 500K to million more then xbox its not good enough for Nintendo. They certainly will see it that way behind closed doors.
Nintendo have made no ground on Sony, they have sold less then the N64 what was also considered a failure by Nintendo.
They are now lying in 3rd in many ways to Microsoft. They need to head a different direction with the Revolution, be that different option to own.
GameCube is a failure, does not matter if its sold 500K to million more then xbox its not good enough for Nintendo. They certainly will see it that way behind closed doors.
M3wThr33 said:So in 6 months (April 1, 2005) they plan to sell 5 million Xbox consoles and increase their XBL subscribers by 50%? Please. Halo 2 won't be that big.
(I skipped most of the article to see if the original finder of the quote was just joking around. He wasn't. Someone really is this stupid.)
xabre said:They may see it as a disappointment but certainly not a failure. The objective was to create a platform that they could sell to the masses and act as a medium for internal game development. With this in mind Gamecube was/is a success, perhaps not the success of the NES/SNES but a success all the same. To call it a failure because it didn't achieve x% market share is silly, akin to saying papa joes fruit stand is a failure because it only made $10,000 in profit last month, compared to the $1,000,000 in profit from the conglomerate supermarket next door. The point there is that both are a success, just one more so than the other.
Auron said:If you are looking at just marketshare, the only console that matters is PS2(and Game Boy for handhelds). As for the others, the XBox and Dreamcast are both market failures, as well as financial disasters. While the GameCube hasn't had any better luck penetrating the market, it still is a profitable venture which is important. Of all the video game hardware companies that have come and gone, the only ones to make a viable business out of it over a long term have been Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft(and Hawkins in this article) have no place to boast.
DSN2K said:GameCube is a failure, does not matter if its sold 500K to million more then xbox its not good enough for Nintendo. They certainly will see it that way behind closed doors.
Nintendo have made no ground on Sony, they have sold less then the N64 what was also considered a failure by Nintendo.
They are now lying in 3rd in many ways to Microsoft. They need to head a different direction with the Revolution, be that different option to own.
Makura said:Seriously, it seems like almost every "analyst" article this gen has low expectations for Xbox to make it look like a success, and lofty expectations for GC in order to make it look like a failure.
Spike said:Failure? No. Dissapointment? Yes.
Failure occurs when the company is not making profit. Dissapointment occurs when the company isn't making the projected profit.
Seriously, anyone who deems the Cube a failure is full of hot air. Yes, the Cube is losing mindshare, but the system and its games still produce profit for Nintendo. While I'm sure they are falling below their own profit expectations, it's still in the range of acceptable profit percentage.
So many posters that think they know how to run a business. Everything in regards to a business the magnitute of Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft is forcasted. They know how much they're willing to lose each quarter and have a projected profit plan for the next 5-10 years in most cases. You all sit at home and act like you know how to run a megacorporation and produce the sufficient profit to cover fixed and operating costs, wages, marketing funds and the like. It's easier said than done.
Nintendo is doing fine, and they'll continue to do fine. They may not be the powerhouse that they once were in the industry, but they will continue to offer new ideas and their trademark classics for the next generation of gamers. Profit is everything, and as long as they make enough profit to cover their costs and such, Nintendo will be around to offer an alternative to the other competitors.
snaildog said:Why do these experts say that Nintendo should stop making hardware when they still make profit from it? They'd probably get significantly more software sales on the PS2, but enough to compare with their hardware and licensing profits? Doubt it.
DSN2K said:Company who are content with what they make are doomed.
DSN2K said:Company who are content with what they make are doomed.
or...Spike said:One thing that the article neglects to mention is the power that the PlayStation brand possesses. The PS3 will completely obliterate the Xbox2, simply because people associate videogames with PlayStation. No matter how hard Microsoft tries to wrestle it away, the Sony name and PlayStation brand will continue to dominate mindshare.
Spike said:...the power that the Nintendo brand possesses. The N64 will completely obliterate the Sony Playstation, simply because people associate videogames with Nintendo. No matter how hard Sony tries to wrestle it away, the Nintendo name and Nintendo brand will continue to dominate mindshare
Culex said:If they were content, there wouldn't be a Nintendo DS or next-gen Nintendo console in development.
Moron.
Shompola said:See SEGA for a reference. Released 32x, Mega CD, Saturn and later on Dreamcast. It also applies on Nintendo, just that Nintendo is still making a lot of money. But their marketshare will be even smaller next gen wich means less profit.
Project Midway said:
Shompola said:Nintendo is definitely in a very bad shape. If you don't belive that then you're simple ignoring the reality. Nintendo will have a very hard time next gen and I wouldn't be surprised if they go 3rd party.
Shompola said:No not at all. My point is that releasing multiple consoles does not necessary mean that they are going in the right direction and gaining market share. And that's what's happening to Nintendo, their marketshare is shrinking day by day, and with the introduction of the PSP it will be even worse for Nintendo atleast in Europe and Japan where the SONY brand is more or less whorshipped.
I dont know whos gonna win, I was mainly commenting/joking about how you stated it as a hard fact that PS3 will obliterate Xbox 2.Spike said:True, but the company that has SquareEnix on their side always wins. So what makes you think that SE will suddenly show Microsoft the full support of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest?
Hey, don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the systems equally, but to hope that MS will overtake Sony next gen, and Nintendo becoming a third-party is very farfetched. It could happen, but the chance is very, very, very small.
Xellos said:Nintendo is good at making money but bad at satisfying their customers, at least with GC.