great article on Next gen @ 1up.com
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Project Midway
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Gahiggidy said:
lol. Interesting article.
imastalker co.
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should rename the thread to "xbox 2 predictions"
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CajoleJuice
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I just stopped reading right there.
So in 6 months (April 1, 2005) they plan to sell 5 million Xbox consoles and increase their XBL subscribers by 50%? Please. Halo 2 won't be that big.
(I skipped most of the article to see if the original finder of the quote was just joking around. He wasn't. Someone really is this stupid.)
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Project Midway said:
I can be selective with quotes too: "So until first-party development hits its stride, Microsoft must strongly define a real identity for Xbox. What is Xbox's identity? Halo...plus 26 shooters ported from the PC?"
Because they're experts at being full of shit. Obviously the hardware business is still profitable for Nintendo, the supposed failure, the N64 (just because it came second and only sold 30 mill...figure out that logic) was still a very profitable venture for Nintendo, likewise the Gamecube has also proved quite profitable. Nintendo should be concerned about their shrinking market share and pursuing policies to counteract this trend instead of simply giving up and walking away altogether.
norinrad21
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Hahahaha Trip wants Nintendo to turn into a worthless house like Sega, is that what i read?
Wow, he was saying the same thing last gen too when he was trying to sell 3DO and still lost out not only to Sony and Sega but Nintendo as well, he sounds like a broken record and sure has a problem with Nintendo, I think he needs therapy, or maybe its just anything Japanese else he would have jumped on the Sony bandwagon when he had the chance, What a tool.
GameCube is a failure, does not matter if its sold 500K to million more then xbox its not good enough for Nintendo. They certainly will see it that way behind closed doors.
Nintendo have made no ground on Sony, they have sold less then the N64 what was also considered a failure by Nintendo.
They are now lying in 3rd in many ways to Microsoft. They need to head a different direction with the Revolution, be that different option to own.
Nintendo have made no ground on Sony, they have sold less then the N64 what was also considered a failure by Nintendo.
They are now lying in 3rd in many ways to Microsoft. They need to head a different direction with the Revolution, be that different option to own.
The GC has failed, but it's a failure of mindshare. I think people need to keep that in mind a not ignore fhe fact that Nintendo still has a very strong fanbase and hasn't run their business into the ground money wasting mistakes. Nintendo has something to work from, and as such they also have a chance compete.
As for Hawkins, I have a hard time taking him seriously after riding 3DO into the ground. Nintendo still has something sell when everything has been said and done, regardless of them not slinhing themselves right into the middle of this battle that ultimately has little to do with video games.
As for Hawkins, I have a hard time taking him seriously after riding 3DO into the ground. Nintendo still has something sell when everything has been said and done, regardless of them not slinhing themselves right into the middle of this battle that ultimately has little to do with video games.
ravingloon
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DSN2K said:
While all of this is true, it's made a ton of money (Compared to the shitloads that MS has LOST). At the end of the day, that's a success on some level (And a criteria every company in the world has to adhere to... except MS.)
And even that article points out another area of success. The amount of money Nintendo makes from selling its software on the platform. In this area, even Sony is envious. Sony suits cannot be pleased that third parties command all the sales and their games sell poorly (The GTs of the world excluded). They ARE leaving a lot of money on the table. Though some would argue, probably correctly, that this is a strength. The reason 3rd parties love Sony so much is because their titles sell (And they sell because they don't have competition. 3rd-party games are the highest quality titles on the platform.)
They may see it as a disappointment but certainly not a failure. The objective was to create a platform that they could sell to the masses and act as a medium for internal game development. With this in mind Gamecube was/is a success, perhaps not the success of the NES/SNES but a success all the same. To call it a failure because it didn't achieve x% market share is silly, akin to saying papa joes fruit stand is a failure because it only made $10,000 in profit last month, compared to the $1,000,000 in profit from the conglomerate supermarket next door. The point there is that both are a success, just one more so than the other.
seismologist
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Instead of paying for exclusives they will use XNA to leverage support. It probably doesn't cost as much to pay PC developers to release games on Xbox first.
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I think it's clearly been a failure as it's highlighted certain internal problems Nintendo failed to solve with outside developers as well. It's apparent now when most every interviewer talks about the next gen but doesn't mention Nintendo home consoles, only Sony and Microsoft. Handheld is a whole different animal though.
If you are looking at just marketshare, the only console that matters is PS2(and Game Boy for handhelds). As for the others, the XBox and Dreamcast are both market failures, as well as financial disasters. While the GameCube hasn't had any better luck penetrating the market, it still is a profitable venture which is important. Of all the video game hardware companies that have come and gone, the only ones to make a viable business out of it over a long term have been Sony and Nintendo. Microsoft(and Hawkins in this article) have no place to boast.
xabre said:
no, to ignore the fact that Nintendo had a target of selling 50M GCs is silly, they've only managed to achieved 30% of their goal and they'll probably be lucky to reach 25M by the end of this generation, now you may have your own idea of what's considered successful and failure, but I doubt most companies, especially one like Nintendo would consider being so far off a sales target a success
DSN2K said:
Failure? No. Dissapointment? Yes.
Failure occurs when the company is not making profit. Dissapointment occurs when the company isn't making the projected profit.
Seriously, anyone who deems the Cube a failure is full of hot air. Yes, the Cube is losing mindshare, but the system and its games still produce profit for Nintendo. While I'm sure they are falling below their own profit expectations, it's still in the range of acceptable profit percentage.
So many posters that think they know how to run a business. Everything in regards to a business the magnitute of Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft is forcasted. They know how much they're willing to lose each quarter and have a projected profit plan for the next 5-10 years in most cases. You all sit at home and act like you know how to run a megacorporation and produce the sufficient profit to cover fixed and operating costs, wages, marketing funds and the like. It's easier said than done.
Nintendo is doing fine, and they'll continue to do fine. They may not be the powerhouse that they once were in the industry, but they will continue to offer new ideas and their trademark classics for the next generation of gamers. Profit is everything, and as long as they make enough profit to cover their costs and such, Nintendo will be around to offer an alternative to the other competitors.
Project Midway
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IIRC Nintendo is losing money with $99 Cube. Or atleast was, dont know about the present.
andthebeatgoeson
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snaildog said:
This has been going on and on forever. I'm sure someone has already blamed it on GB but I'm too tired to read more.
DSN2K said:
Then, is Microsoft content with continually posting losses in its Xbox division?
In what area do you see Nintendo being content with themselves?
They know they have to change their image. Zelda, the DS, and the SP are their response to that. They're pushing the Metroid franchise because they know it appeals to the older audience. They secured Metal Gear remake, Resident Evil, and while not a resounding success they certainly show that they want to change.
One thing that the article neglects to mention is the power that the PlayStation brand possesses. The PS3 will completely obliterate the Xbox2, simply because people associate videogames with PlayStation. No matter how hard Microsoft tries to wrestle it away, the Sony name and PlayStation brand will continue to dominate mindshare.
Project Midway
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or...Spike said:
Spike said:
)Project Midway said:
True, but the company that has SquareEnix on their side always wins. So what makes you think that SE will suddenly show Microsoft the full support of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest?
Hey, don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the systems equally, but to hope that MS will overtake Sony next gen, and Nintendo becoming a third-party is very farfetched. It could happen, but the chance is very, very, very small.
No not at all. My point is that releasing multiple consoles does not necessary mean that they are going in the right direction and gaining market share. And that's what's happening to Nintendo, their marketshare is shrinking day by day, and with the introduction of the PSP it will be even worse for Nintendo atleast in Europe and Japan where the SONY brand is more or less whorshipped.
Shompola said:
Doubtful, at best. The GBA is outselling the PS2 year by year. I see no change when the DS is out. The portable gaming market is also shifting towards cheap cellphone games in Japan. Plenty of people won't shell out the price for a PSP, and to a much lesser extent, DS.
Project Midway
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I dont know whos gonna win, I was mainly commenting/joking about how you stated it as a hard fact that PS3 will obliterate Xbox 2.Spike said:
I dont care who wins or loses, I will always buy the console(s) with the games I like to play. This gen it has been PS2 and Xbox. Last gen it was PC. Before that Super Nintendo...and so on.
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I don't think most comnpanies are content with any standing in the market there in. More profit is always the main goal. To suggest that Nintendo is, shows that you are not paying attention to what moves Nintendo have and are making.
They can't make many moves when it comes to the GC, its 3 years into life span. All they can do now is try their best to go out strong at the end of this generation.
They can't make many moves when it comes to the GC, its 3 years into life span. All they can do now is try their best to go out strong at the end of this generation.
Xbox 2 will probably end up like the DC/Saturn but maybe stay alive. Problem is they are launching too early. They will be going against GC and PS2. Which will be much cheaper than any Xbox 2 unless MS are happy to break more records on their Xbox losses 
By the time the next machines launch Xbox 2 will be cheaper although the problem here is that Sony and Nintendo will have better machines learning from Xbox 2 mistakes. On top of that MS have killed themselves in Japan anyways. I dont see what makes Xbox 2 an attractive prospect. Its not like the others are just sitting there and will do nothing. Sony will have the biggest launch and best 1st year no doubt.
By the time the next machines launch Xbox 2 will be cheaper although the problem here is that Sony and Nintendo will have better machines learning from Xbox 2 mistakes. On top of that MS have killed themselves in Japan anyways. I dont see what makes Xbox 2 an attractive prospect. Its not like the others are just sitting there and will do nothing. Sony will have the biggest launch and best 1st year no doubt.Nintendo is good at making money but bad at satisfying their customers, at least with GC. All you have to do to realize that they're becoming less relevant at home is look at Mario. Mario 64 was a freaking event. It defined its generation and its system. Mario Sunshine was just another game. It sold well because the Mario fan base is huge, but compared to Mario 64 it didn't have anywhere near the impact or popularity. You won't see that kind of drop off for Halo 2 or GTA SA despite both games being very similar to their prequels.
Nintendo has done a much better job with the Gameboy line IMO. They're constantly tweaking the hardware with GB Pocket, GBC, GBA, the uber-cool SP, and the quirky DS. They put out some great software and have good third party support. Their prices are pretty good. Of course they have no competition, but the bottom line is that gamers are happy with the product. Pokemon sales aren't slipping like Mario's have.
Nintendo has done a much better job with the Gameboy line IMO. They're constantly tweaking the hardware with GB Pocket, GBC, GBA, the uber-cool SP, and the quirky DS. They put out some great software and have good third party support. Their prices are pretty good. Of course they have no competition, but the bottom line is that gamers are happy with the product. Pokemon sales aren't slipping like Mario's have.
Xellos said:
The n64 puts a wrench in your argument because it satisfied almost no one. I think they have the capability to make better decisions this time round so we'll see. GC is making a good amount of profit showing that they do know what they are doing in the business running focused side of things at the very least.
I think MS are the ones who to worry the most. Their management hasnt been up to snuff. Their losses are huge to boot.