HeisenbergFX4
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Oh another "cycle" is 100% coming, with multiple skus again evengod! even the greenest of rats should be dreading the idea of another hype/failure/denial/embarrassment cycle, lead by the likes of this moron
Oh another "cycle" is 100% coming, with multiple skus again evengod! even the greenest of rats should be dreading the idea of another hype/failure/denial/embarrassment cycle, lead by the likes of this moron
This does seem like the only reasonable explanation.But they will attempt to market it like a console for this reason, and this reason alone:
It's exactly how I expect things to go to be honest and I feel like this is the primary driver for them going in this direction instead of just unceremoniously killing Xbox hardware:
They want to get their store, and more specifically gamepass, everywhere so that Sony and Nintendo will also be directly impacted by the sale cannibalisation they've experienced.
So what is the future of Xbox? A misadventure in PC gaming hardware followed by becoming a true 3rd party like Sega, but perhaps with a subscription model mirroring that of EA and Ubisoft.
This is like devs appealing to the "Modern Audience."To make a PC have a console like experience?
At a console price? Not happening.To make a PC have a console like experience?
Maybe
They want to launch a PC in a console shell with a big picture mode and Xbox legacy emulators and access to all third party stores.I've already owned a PC for 30 years. What's their deal with this?
They want to launch a PC in a console shell with a big picture mode and Xbox legacy emulators and access to all third party stores.
Nahh, trying to make a PC not feel so PC like for people who work all day long on PCs and don't want to come home and then game on said PCThis is like devs appealing to the "Modern Audience."
Oh I have said all along it would not be console priced if they do itAt a console price? Not happening.
More powerful and capable than a console? I think that ship has sailed.
So either priced like a niche device or a Apple TV like box.
Both scenarios equal Xbox leaving the home console race.
They want to launch a PC in a console shell with a big picture mode and Xbox legacy emulators and access to all third party stores.
I'm not sure about this; they are printing as much money as they are spending to make CoD happen every year.They are also effectively printing money now by owning Call of Duty.
PS3 was free as well.True, Xbox Live did indeed invent pay to play online.
The PS2 was free (yes the PS2 had online games)
Dreamcast was free
PC always free
thats even worse.Nahh, trying to make a PC not feel so PC like for people who work all day long on PCs and don't want to come home and then game on said PC
Yeah, but was just listing those that came prior or at the same time as the OG XboxPS3 was free as well.
Maybe to you but I know several who would move from Xbox consoles that work on a PC every single day of their lives to a machine like this simply because they do not want to also game on a PCthats even worse.
Some of this has been discussed in a previous thread unrelated to Jeff Grubb. However, Grubb adds that Xbox plans may have some pretty insane implications.
Some highlights:
- Xbox COULD make online free if you are playing your Xbox games through Steam (huge revenue loss, seems like a stretch to me)
- Xbox would try to make up for lost revenue by hosting other stores (Epic, Steam...even Playstation and IOS could if they wanted to)
- Xbox has allowed vendors to set up their own payment process 2 years ago which could make this a win-win for all involved
- The move to open up it's ecosystem could be argued in court to essentially coerce other platforms via regulation to open up their platforms (If this happens I will eat...something inedible)
All this sounds really far-fetched to me, but if they are even trying this...get ready for another mega-thread the likes on the ABK acquisition. Should be good fun, I really enjoyed that thread. So, what are your thoughts? Please watch the video first. It's like 11 minutes.
The move to open up it's ecosystem could be argued in court to essentially coerce other platforms via regulation to open up their platforms
I'm not sure about this; they are printing as much money as they are spending to make CoD happen every year.
This is their future but I don't think it's as far-fetched as it sounds.
They need to a) continue converting their Xbox GP subs into PC GP subs and b) while doing that, try to please the last holdouts of the Xbox faithful who have built up a digital library / attachment to the brand. It's basically a transitional period to, as you say, offering hybrid hardware at a premium for those who still really want it.
Hardware manufacturing costs have been an albatross around Microsoft's neck for a while. According to Phil they lose about $100 on every Series X sold and $200 on every Series S, and I don't believe they were ever able to get this amount lowered. Selling premium PC hardware at break even / for profit in order to eliminate that existing cost burden would probably make earning less elsewhere in the business easier to stomach (so long as their Game Pass subs don't collapse in the process).
Speaking of Live, they already converted their Gold subscribers into Game Pass Core a while ago, so on their numbers sheets I don't think they make a distinction any more between people paying for online versus not - it's all Game Pass numbers now and as long as they maintain that or see growth, shareholders will stay happy.
Microsoft's position is already that of a true third party. All their games are coming to PS5, PC and Switch 2. Forza is already there. Gears in August. Halo is on Unreal Engine to make multiplatform development easier. It's done - "no red lines".
They are also effectively printing money now by owning Call of Duty. I think the old paradigm of Xbox versus PlayStation is as good as dead and I would not be surprised to see a limited version of Game Pass worm its way onto PlayStation like Ubisoft+ or EA Play - because MS are now just any other third party like them, who happens to sell some PC boxes.
Containment of Steam and potential leveraging of its existence into getting regulators to open up the other ecosystems for them.I've already owned a PC for 30 years. What's their deal with this?
Sounds like they are just making a PC.
The convenience of a console with the flexibility of a PC.
I don't think that's how it works. Why would Epic/Steam/PlayStation pay to have their stores on a shitty Xbox PC? They wouldn't be getting 30% either.- Xbox would try to make up for lost revenue by hosting other stores (Epic, Steam...even Playstation and IOS could if they wanted to)
Not many.Maybe to you but I know several who would move from Xbox consoles that work on a PC every single day of their lives to a machine like this simply because they do not want to also game on a PC
Many people here have echoed this as well when this topic has been talked about before
There is a market out there just who knows how big it is
None of us that's for sure
Is there a large market for this (More than 20 million)?
Some of this has been discussed in a previous thread unrelated to Jeff Grubb. However, Grubb adds that Xbox plans may have some pretty insane implications.
Some highlights:
- Xbox COULD make online free if you are playing your Xbox games through Steam (huge revenue loss, seems like a stretch to me)
- Xbox would try to make up for lost revenue by hosting other stores (Epic, Steam...even Playstation and IOS could if they wanted to)
- Xbox has allowed vendors to set up their own payment process 2 years ago which could make this a win-win for all involved
- The move to open up it's ecosystem could be argued in court to essentially coerce other platforms via regulation to open up their platforms (If this happens I will eat...something inedible)
All this sounds really far-fetched to me, but if they are even trying this...get ready for another mega-thread the likes on the ABK acquisition. Should be good fun, I really enjoyed that thread. So, what are your thoughts? Please watch the video first. It's like 11 minutes.
If they can even hang on for that long. Sega's been on the brink a few times and they never had the overhead Xbox already has and will wind up with when they're finally done taking a hacksaw to their own ecosystem. Legitimately can see them shutting down or selling almost everything that isn't Minecraft and Candy Crush when all is said and done.So what is the future of Xbox? A misadventure in PC gaming hardware followed by becoming a true 3rd party like Sega, but perhaps with a subscription model mirroring that of EA and Ubisoft.
No, they aren't. They effectively burned themselves by slapping COD on Gamepass, enough that they're going to charge 80 dollars going forward. COD is huge in terms of player engagement, but not perceived high enough in quality for it to be coming from the same place as the Mario Kart price bump. It's not happening because they're comfortable and confident that they can sell for 80 bucks and still sell 30 million copies; it's because they have to make up lost cash. And it still won't be enough.They are also effectively printing money now by owning Call of Duty.
There could be a large market for "A one-stop console that can play all Xbox, PC, and Playstation games".
All depends on what the specs are, how they market it, if they are able to price it aggressively, and if they can actually make it as convenient as a console.
PC handhelds have been said to have sold 6 million since the launch of the Steamdeck (4 million), Google AI just spat out the number of gaming laptops to be 17 million. (I don't know what time span google used)Is there a large market for this (More than 20 million)?
Its where a multiple sku approach comes in again, so they hopeIs there a large market for this (More than 20 million)?
I don't think that's how it works. Why would Epic/Steam/PlayStation pay to have their stores on a shitty Xbox PC? They wouldn't be getting 30% either.
PC handhelds have been said to have sold 6 million since the launch of the Steamdeck (4 million), Google AI just spat out the number of gaming laptops to be 17 million. (I don't know what time span google used)
Thats over 20 million right there.
what im taking about is for all the money CoD generates, MS needs to spend a shit ton of money too on it. this is not Minecraft situation.Do you have numbers to show this?
Call of Duty costs a lot to make now, something like $700 million per game, but it's consistently the best selling game year on year and they make billions on it. It only took ten days for Modern Warfare II to pass $1 billion in revenue and they typically sell 30-40 million copies according to court documents.
So what is the future of Xbox? A misadventure in PC gaming hardware followed by becoming a true 3rd party like Sega, but perhaps with a subscription model mirroring that of EA and Ubisoft.
I don't think it's a me thing. But I'm sure we are talking about a very small market anyway.Maybe to you but I know several who would move from Xbox consoles that work on a PC every single day of their lives to a machine like this simply because they do not want to also game on a PC
Many people here have echoed this as well when this topic has been talked about before
There is a market out there just who knows how big it is
None of us that's for sure
Maybe but that is also why they will have other options for next genI don't think it's a me thing. But I'm sure we are talking about a very small market anyway.
Why would anyone want to do MS a favour? They don't need this "Xbox" machine.If the app resides on the windows store then Microsoft can take a ~12% cut from all transactions that take place through that app.
So for example if valve were to put a steam app on there (and Sony a "PlayStation" app for the PC games they publish) then all games sold though them would be subject to the 12% cut.
Personally I think it's far more likely that instead of making people pay for online gaming, they simply force people to pay for gamepass by putting all Xbox BC games in the "retro classics" category.
so you are talking about two different things:Maybe but that is also why they will have other options for next gen
To make a PC have a console like experience?
Maybe
so you are talking about two different things:
1. Windows "gaming friendly"
2. a traditional Xbox (closed system)
?
This. Quite amusing the absurdity of some reactions.Why are some people threatened by this news?
Why would anyone want to do MS a favour? They don't need this "Xbox" machine.
Or perhaps the complexity of a PC coupled with the limitations of a console, it remains to be seen I suppose. It could go either way.The convenience of a console with the flexibility of a PC.
Basically Game updates taking longer. Why does the Xbox app version of games differ from the Steam Deck version? I've never understood this.Or perhaps the complexity of a PC coupled with the limitations of a console, it remains to be seen I suppose. It could go either way.