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[CrimsonTide]

I noticed you guys went back and forth trying to remember what it really was (and you remembered quite a bit along the way, but let me clear it up).

SegaNet was not required to use Dreamcast online. It was just an ISP offered/marketed by Sega. If you did use it, you could use it for anything else like your PC. Personally, I did not use it. I used a different ISP on Dreamcast, and never signed up for Seganet service, and played many many hours of PSO. I am almost certain that the Seganet ISP wasn't even there day one -but the console still came with a web browser CD, which you could still use to set up your ISP to go online. I think Seganet coincided near the black box rebranding later.

Correct. We def did not have day 1 online.

I was there day 1 for online. Chu chu rocket was the first game ever to be online far as I'm aware in America anyhow

Yeah. I def Seem to recall a bring your own isp. Genuinely can't recall what we did. And yes, the black cases was a thing for sega net.

 

[Crayon]

I just can't see how a non-upgradeable PC that can play Xbox games, but will be priced more than every other console.....will be that interesting. Feels like the ceiling is 20 million total people that would care.

Probably less, but if they are just doing this to let people keep playing an building their libraries after all these years, it might be worth it for that alone. Leaving tens of millions high and dry would be rough. And if it works for their xbox-pc, they'll hopefully be able to make whatever compatibility system that is work on other pc's.

 

[damidu]

So it's a pc, but worse…brilliant!

basically worst of both worlds, limited as a pc, crazy expensive as a console.
it'll do much worse than any console in history. a fitting final legacy for spencer.

 

[Badlucktroll]

https://seekingalpha.com/news/4452670-apple-to-launch-dedicated-gaming-app---bloomberg

 

[Gryllis]

Removing paid online makes sense. I don't really see how they keep it if they're launching this PC-console.

It also adds a perk to actually buy a new Xbox, given Series X/S sales have basically stopped.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I just can't see how a non-upgradeable PC that can play Xbox games, but will be priced more than every other console.....will be that interesting. Feels like the ceiling is 20 million total people that would care.

Its so niche it would be staggering how few it would sell but let 3rd party vendors take the risk and maybe just have it on an order basis only (which is 100% speculation)

Its something I said quite awhile ago that while at the round table within Xbox some felt IF they could get this together in time for GTA 6 and it be clearly the best place to play at launch it MIGHT help

Speaking personally if this were to happen I am in line to buy one of these things, if not I will play on the PS5 Pro day one

 

[mayham2199]

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Thread 'Microsoft is playing Chess not Checkers because at some point the Government will step in & tell Sony to allow other storefronts on PlayStation'

May 14, 2024

Next generation PlayStation will basically be the only traditional home console left & that monopoly will have to be broken .

If Xbox allows other storefronts on their low selling made to order Xbox these other storefront owners will most likely get together to call for Sony to allow them on PlayStation.

Goodbye traditional consoles .

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Except the US didn't even do this with IOS so how are they going to do this to consoles? The EU they might have a shot but even that's not guaranteed.

 

[Ebrietas]

So it's a pc, but worse…brilliant!

Seems on brand for them, given their console strategy was "look, it's a playstation...but worse!"

 

[BlackTron]

Correct. We def did not have day 1 online.

I was there day 1 for online. Chu chu rocket was the first game ever to be online far as I'm aware in America anyhow

Yeah. I def Seem to recall a bring your own isp. Genuinely can't recall what we did. And yes, the black cases was a thing for sega net.

Well the Dreamcast did *go* online from day one. It just didn't have any games that went online until ChuChu Rocket. From the first day, the web browser disk could load web sites. I remember using it to download a game save directly to my VMU and being floored.

Back then it wasn't really presented like "sign up for online gaming OR bring your own ISP". It was more like, ok enter your ISP details on this config screen.

After DCs death, I wanted to use it with my broadband to play PSO on a fan server, but as you probably know, the broadband adapters were very rare and expensive. I used a guide to connect the DCs modem directly to a modem in my PC that had broadband, using the PC as a proxy server. With all the right details entered into the DC, it worked. It basically "dialed in" to the PC instead of an ISP. There was a no dependence on Seganet as a "default" way of connecting with it at all, just config screens for stuff like DNS numbers. Most of us have probably repressed as many of these memories as we can.

 

[Sebastian1295]

Removing paid online makes sense. I don't really see how they keep it if they're launching this PC-console.

It also adds a perk to actually buy a new Xbox, given Series X/S sales have basically stopped.

Removing paid online just means less revenue for the xbox division. Alot less revenue. Where exactly are they going to profit on this exactly??? Like if u remove paid online, and introduce a bunch of storefronts to this thing then how the hell are you going to be profitable exactly? You might as well take billions of dollars and dump it into a burning fire because that's exactly what this disaster is going to do for them.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

For anyone who has followed their involvement in the Epic vs Apple case and their comments it was obvious that they would go down this path if they continued on the tragectory that they were on at the time (the trajectory was down, and they have, far worse than anyone could have imagined).

This is the only hand they have left to play in this space if they have still any unfounded dreams of "domination".

P.S. I'm definitely not Grubb.

It would certainly explain their own desire to deprioritize their hardware business and capitalize on an "open" platform.

 

[Wildebeest]

An old school microsoft move would be to join valve on the steamos project and start making huge contributions to it, using it for their next hardware platform. Embrace, extend, and extinguish. Within a year or two SteamOS would be just as shit for gamers as windows 11 or worse.

 

[CrimsonTide]

Well the Dreamcast did *go* online from day one. It just didn't have any games that went online until ChuChu Rocket. From the first day, the web browser disk could load web sites. I remember using it to download a game save directly to my VMU and being floored.

Back then it wasn't really presented like "sign up for online gaming OR bring your own ISP". It was more like, ok enter your ISP details on this config screen.

After DCs death, I wanted to use it with my broadband to play PSO on a fan server, but as you probably know, the broadband adapters were very rare and expensive. I used a guide to connect the DCs modem directly to a modem in my PC that had broadband, using the PC as a proxy server. With all the right details entered into the DC, it worked. It basically "dialed in" to the PC instead of an ISP. There was a no dependence on Seganet as a "default" way of connecting with it at all, just config screens for stuff like DNS numbers. Most of us have probably repressed as many of these memories as we can.

Oh I def used its online features and web browser back then. But yeah, gaming is what I meant by no day 1. Now that you're bringing up all the type in manual info. I recall spending AGES on that shit

 

[Sebastian1295]

I just can't see how a non-upgradeable PC that can play Xbox games, but will be priced more than every other console.....will be that interesting. Feels like the ceiling is 20 million total people that would care.

I feel like 20 million is wayyyy too generous. Like who's the target audience for this exactly? Not casuals because casuals aren't going to fork over a boatload of money when they have other options that will be much cheaper 'switch 2, ps5, pc, mobile'. And the hardcore xbox fans are leaving in droves after the third party shift meaning they barely have that audience as well. And PC dudes have PC's loll. Like who is this even for exactly. Literally the dumbest concept in history and they're going to lose billions on this.

 

[damidu]

anything to celebrate 10th anniversary of this

'Squadron 42' Nearly Finished, But Not Ready For Release In 2016

Surprise, surprise. It looks like 2016 won't be the year when we'll see a finished version of Cloud Imperium Games' "Squadron 42."

www.tomshardware.com

 

[EverydayBeast]

Series x is an incredible pc right now, has a browser, apps, and nobody knows it plays blue rays. Microsoft working with steam/valve is good news, what else are they going to do with a console? Make good games and push good story telling, and that's the formula in 2020+

 

[ReBurn]

I think I have heard something like these plans before.

Maybe someone has mentioned them before on this very forum?

Who do you think it was?

 

[GHG]

Series x is an incredible pc right now, has a browser, apps, and nobody knows it plays blue rays. Microsoft working with steam/valve is good news, what else are they going to do with a console? Make good games and push good story telling, and that's the formula in 2020+

ChatGPT is hallucinating once again.

 

[mckmas8808]

Its so niche it would be staggering how few it would sell but let 3rd party vendors take the risk and maybe just have it on an order basis only (which is 100% speculation)

Its something I said quite awhile ago that while at the round table within Xbox some felt IF they could get this together in time for GTA 6 and it be clearly the best place to play at launch it MIGHT help

Speaking personally if this were to happen I am in line to buy one of these things, if not I will play on the PS5 Pro day one

The GTA6 delay helps them then. It's hard to imagine it coming out by next Spring though.

 

[mckmas8808]

I feel like 20 million is wayyyy too generous. Like who's the target audience for this exactly? Not casuals because casuals aren't going to fork over a boatload of money when they have other options that will be much cheaper 'switch 2, ps5, pc, mobile'. And the hardcore xbox fans are leaving in droves after the third party shift meaning they barely have that audience as well. And PC dudes have PC's loll. Like who is this even for exactly. Literally the dumbest concept in history and they're going to lose billions on this.

I feel like 20 million is the super max it could sell if Microsoft sold it at the perfect price.

 

[Bry0]

- Xbox has allowed vendors to set up their own payment process 2 years ago which could make this a win-win for all involved
- The move to open up it's ecosystem could be argued in court to essentially coerce other platforms via regulation to open up their platforms (If this happens I will eat...something inedible)

This is already happening and it's due to much more than just Xbox and PlayStation.

 

[delirium trigger]

I just can't see how a non-upgradeable PC that can play Xbox games, but will be priced more than every other console.....will be that interesting. Feels like the ceiling is 20 million total people that would care.

They're not going after the demo of people that "upgrade" their own pc. Obviously, those people are just going to build their own.

There are millions of young gamers out there who've grown up watching streamers and playing on pc is cool now. Problem is, most of these people have no clue about gpus and cpus and ram and all that. There are plenty of people out there who want the pc experience but just aren't tech savvy. There basically isn't even a major brand name in the prebuilt market.

If they can come up with a console that can run their own damn operating system they could really be onto something. Gaming device that doubles as computer is not the toughest sell to parents.

 

[Hari Seldon]

So they are making a steam box where you have to pay MS to play online? Valve could crush this with their own steam box but why bother if MS is doing it for them.

 

[playbignbox]

A Frankenstein of Console + PC.

You probably won't have the freedom of a PC, much less the modularity of hardware to make upgrades.

Since there won't be a charge to play online and there will be other stores available (Steam and Epic?), then the console shouldn't be subsidized, losing a huge appeal. And since it's a PC, the games probably won't be optimized specifically for it like they are for consoles; at most, it will have shader caches available to avoid some types of stutter, similar to the Steam Deck.

Anyway, I have no idea who this console will interest. I think MS has a better chance trying a portable one, since portable PCs still have a lot to evolve, so an OS optimized for them with features like quick resume, native GamePass and third-party stores seems much more interesting since it would work as a complement to PC gamers.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Thinking more maybe this is a play to walk back the "everything is an Xbox" without getting into legal trouble. Sure Sony, Steam and Nintendo can sell COD from their own e-store, but that e-store will only work on a MS Box.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

Sounds like something only a multi trillion dollars company could do.

 

[Shodai]

Sure feels to me like they want to be the Netflix of gaming, but their hardware strategy doesn't add up.

 

[lh032]

what market they are targeting for this product?

 

[Skifi28]

Let's gooo

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

what market they are targeting for this product?

Parris, Destin and Jez corden

 

[Pallas]

If xbox let's the PS store on there next console then it'll be one of the biggest embarrassments if not the biggest embarrassment in gaming history. It's essentially bowing down and kissing the feet of your biggest enemy and then asking them if they'd like a sandwich.

Satire?

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Would align with MS's recent war against wall gardens on other platforms. I just don't understand where the profitability for them is

They want to keep full profits on their IPs and want it for all competitors; aka if you can't output software you will get wrecked. Imagine if you have moronic competition minus ea because they found c&c for remakes see age of mythology.

 

[bitbydeath]

The GTA6 delay helps them then. It's hard to imagine it coming out by next Spring though.

Rockstar would need to greenlight the console version being emulated on a PC.

Considering they're not bringing it to PC day one I doubt they would be willing to jeopardise future game sales.

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Removing paid online just means less revenue for the xbox division. Alot less revenue. Where exactly are they going to profit on this exactly??? Like if u remove paid online, and introduce a bunch of storefronts to this thing then how the hell are you going to be profitable exactly? You might as well take billions of dollars and dump it into a burning fire because that's exactly what this disaster is going to do for them.

Gamepass. Imagine if msft could get another big acquisition then you either pay 80 usd wait for a sale or get gp.

 

[panda-zebra]

basically worst of both worlds, limited as a pc, crazy expensive as a console.
it'll do much worse than any console in history. a fitting final legacy for spencer.

A modern day take on the Amstrad Mega PC; a PC and a console in one that seems to be a win in theory, but in practise has more disadvantages and expense than just having the two separate devices doing each job better by themselves.

Without razor/blade pricing and compelling exclusive software it's going to struggle. It's not that compelling. GHG's and OnQ's posts about an ulterior motive behind some of this don't seem all that far-fetched at all.

 

[DavidGzz]

PC with too many extra steps.

Idk, sounds like a PC for casuals. No tinkering with drivers, no issues with compatibility, no required mouse and keyboard, etc. MS would have to have a team dedicated to making sure everything works and have auto updates. I could see it as a way to get casuals into PC gaming. This could all be BS, of course.

 

[Fess]

So it's a pc, but worse…brilliant!

It's a small form factor PC, but with a new UI for multiple stores and Xbox emulators. Could be brilliant yeah.

I just hope you can install this thing on any PC. If Microsoft can solve the fractured PC market through a multi store UI big picture mode then I would be all over it. I don't see myself investing in their actual console because it'll be weaker than what I already have in the living room, but I definitely want the UI. Steam big picture mode and other stores ain't really working all that well.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Sounds like they are just making a PC.

Yes, but with additional steps and the branding of a failed product.

 

[clarky]

Yes, but with additional steps and the branding of a failed product.

The only thing that makes sense is what GHG was saying about them trying to force gamepass and their store onto other consoles and ecosystems. Which is doomed to fail as well of course.

Its embarrassing at this point.

 

[Fess]

Its something I said quite awhile ago that while at the round table within Xbox some felt IF they could get this together in time for GTA 6 and it be clearly the best place to play at launch it MIGHT help

Is this really true or is it rumours or are you speculating?

If that was true then we would've seen something by now. They would've had something coming out this year. GTA6 was just delayed so they can't have known they would get an extra year to get anything out. And even an extra year seems unrealistic. The ROG Ally Xbox could possibly come out later this year or early next year, but a new PC-something Xbox? Nah

 

[Heisenberg007]

The only thing that makes sense is what GHG was saying about them trying to force gamepass and their store onto other consoles and ecosystems. Which is doomed to fail as well of course.

Its embarrassing at this point.

Yeah, I'm also pretty sure that's what they will do.

Because, seriously, if we look at this product objectively, we know it's set up for failure. There's no way in this world that such a product can succeed. So what happens when this product inevitably fails? They'll do what GHG said. And if they get it, they will shut down their hardware and just become a full-fledge third-party publisher with a subscription (like EA), and use the PlayStation and Nintendo userbase to sell their software and subscription.

But I'm pretty sure they will not succeed in that either. Strategies that are launched with malicious, non-consumer-friendly intent never succeed.

 

[Three]

An old school microsoft move would be to join valve on the steamos project and start making huge contributions to it, using it for their next hardware platform. Embrace, extend, and extinguish. Within a year or two SteamOS would be just as shit for gamers as windows 11 or worse.

Too much loss of control and little room to extend on for them to do this. What could they possibly extend on? SteamOS while great doesn't offer anything the regular user is interested in over Xbox's OS other than a steam users library itself.

Their old school EEE strategy would work better if they embrace the steam store only (to attract its users), extend it with proprietary xbox ecosystem integration (with their acquired studios doing the lifting) then extinguish store sales with their advertised services, and of course price hikes on the alternatives. The "Embrace" is always because you want the userbase and steamOS doesn't have many of those to begin with. Steam the store does however hence it likely being there rather than steamOS. I believe this EEE strategy is exactly what they're going to do. They can target both PS and steam this way by having a "console & PC" to try and attract both and then push them towards lock-in with their services over them.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

Naw online wouldn't be free for xbox as everyone said they would lose to much money to have steam , epic and EA free would having them increase the price of gamepass. Same with sony they could add EA and epic even ubisoft for free and increase the subscription services

 

[Jigsaah]

Can't wait for simps proclaiming MS are the good guys cause they're the "first" to have free online on consoles

I dont think it matters who did it first. Online was free since the PS2. I think the point is who's willing to go back to it. I still think it'll never happen...but it does lead me to question how they have Steam on a console and just what, charge a fee only if you're playing native Xbox games? Makes no sense.

 

[Baemono]

MS would have to have a team dedicated to making sure everything works and have auto updates

That's where everything fall appart.

They use google translate for their UI in Xbox, it shows their dedication to the platform.

 

[DragonNCM]

Sounds like they are just making a PC.

Not bad thing at all if you consider their console will be dead by the time new generation of consoles arrive.
Actually they can just make Xbox app for PC & make "Xbox console" from shelf parts.
The rain of consoles will be soon dead.......

 

[Little Chicken]

An expensive, high-spec Xbox vs a PS6 will yield interesting visual comparisons.

 

[Topher]

An expensive, high-spec PC vs a PS6 will yield interesting visual comparisons.

ftfy

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

An expensive, high-spec Xbox vs a PS6 will yield interesting visual comparisons.

ftfy

Who is right???

 

[PlayStaytion]

Any rich or educated person will understand the concept of "earning more money easily", It's pretty simple to understand in modern days.