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[galeninjapan]

Has anyone noticed that in the newly enhanced super special re-re-rereleased of "A New Hope" Luke uses a green lightsaber for one shot? When he is practicing with the droid on the falcon his lightsaber is green for one shot, then goes back to blue when he turns it back on.

That was Anakin's light saber and it should have been blue. What gives?

 

[Matrix]

Yea I think every Star Wars fan has noticed it,it's a complete fuck up.

 

[galeninjapan]

Yea I think every Star Wars fan has noticed it,it's a complete fuck up.

Serves Lucas right for changing the movie so many god damn times. What has Lucas said about that?

Oh and not only is the lightsaber green, its really badly edited in the movie too. Its all choppy and stuff.

 

[Matrix]

I'm not sure Lucas has said anything about it,if anyone would know here it would be Mana.

I just remember reading on some dvd forums how pissed people were about it.

 

[ManaByte]

Oh and not only is the lightsaber green, its really badly edited in the movie too. Its all choppy and stuff.

The choppyness is in the 1977 version where the saber was originally white. That's 1977 rotoscoping for you.

 

[galeninjapan]

The choppyness is in the 1977 version where the saber was originally white.

But I thought lucas was going to digitally fix that stuff...

 

[ManaByte]

But I thought lucas was going to digitally fix that stuff...

Yes, Lucas himself sits down at Maya and Shake and does all the evil changes himself. It's not like ILM had to make a whole new Star Wars movie or anything.

 

[Matlock]

But they had the time to make Greedo shoot first!

 

[ManaByte]

But they had the time to make Greedo shoot first!

...in 1997 when they did the Special Editions.

 

[galeninjapan]

They had time to make Han's head look ridiculous and jolt to the left when Greedo fires.
Speaking of which Greedo never fired anyway. Take that shit out.

 

[Fuzzy]

The green lightsabre is a deliberate mistake so that Lucas can release another updated version and have everyone run out and buy it. :lol

 

[aoi tsuki]

The green lightsabre is a deliberate mistake so that Lucas can release another updated version and have everyone run out and buy it. :lol

 

[DMczaf]

The green lightsabre is a deliberate mistake so that Lucas can release another updated version and have everyone run out and buy it. :lol

What we DO know about Episode III is that Lucas himself has confirmed (to MTV.com) that the film will be available on DVD in time for this Christmas, that the disc will include 5-6 deleted scenes, and that a 6-film box set will be available at some point in the future.

"I have a secret, Fuzzy....I like money."

 

[ManaByte]

The green lightsabre is a deliberate mistake so that Lucas can release another updated version and have everyone run out and buy it. :lol

Lucas wanted to replace all of the effects in the 1997 releases. Do you honestly think he still doesn't want to do that?

Oh and before anyone bitches about him pissing on the work of the old time ILM guys, 80% of them worked on the CG in the SEs especially the death star battle.

 

[Fuzzy]

"I have a secret, Fuzzy....I like money."

It wasn't a secret. :lol

 

[galeninjapan]

Lucas wanted to replace all of the effects in the 1997 releases. Do you honestly think he still doesn't want to do that?

Oh and before anyone bitches about him pissing on the work of the old time ILM guys, 80% of them worked on the CG in the SEs especially the death star battle.

Fuck that I dont give a shit about them. I just want the goddamn Real Star Wars on DVD.

 

[tedtropy]

Fuck that I dont give a shit about them. I just want the goddamn Real Star Wars on DVD.

It's never going to happen in any official capacity. Move on.

 

[ManaByte]

It's never going to happen in any official capacity. Move on.

Especially since it technically doesn't exist anymore. The original Star Wars negative was 90% BLUE before they went in and did the SEs.

Sure, you could have the original; but it'll have a blue tint throughout the entire movie except for the credits.

 

[themadcowtipper]

The green lightsabre is a deliberate mistake so that Lucas can release another updated version and have everyone run out and buy it. :lol

Cartman: Think about it. Spielberg? Jew. Lucas? Jew. Kyle? Jew. Coincidence?

 

[Willco]

Especially since it technically doesn't exist anymore. The original Star Wars negative was 90% BLUE before they went in and did the SEs.

Sure, you could have the original; but it'll have a blue tint throughout the entire movie except for the credits.

I think he, like many people, just want remastered versions of what they grew up with. And before you get on the soapbox and bitch about how many times it's changed, we're talking about non-Greedo shooting first editions. Editions without musical numbers in Jabba's palace. Editions without CG robots fucking around in Mos Eisley. Shit like that.

 

[Substance]

That was hilarious.
Wedding Tape: Digitally Edited :lol

 

[Diablos]

People are suffering on a daily basis - but HOLY SHIT the lightsaber was GREEN. Let's spend millions and release the "FIXED LIGHTSABER SPECIAL EDITION" Star Wars DVD set! Only $80!

 

[themadcowtipper]

People are suffering on a daily basis - but HOLY SHIT the lightsaber was GREEN. Let's spend millions and release the "FIXED LIGHTSABER SPECIAL EDITION" Star Wars DVD set! Only $80!

I like StarWars but I would have never noticed the lightsaber if it wasnt for this thread...Thanks GAF

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Wasn't that lightsaber though just white prior to the DVD release? Kinda like the no-color lightsabers in the Ben/Vader fight. I also remember reading an interview with the guy who was doing the fixes saying that they didn't have time to hit all the spots that they wanted to.

 

[Hitokage]

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films I watched throughout my life a preserved, so that my children can see them." - George Lucas, speaking against the colorization of black and white films.

 

[tedtropy]

I think he, like many people, just want remastered versions of what they grew up with. And before you get on the soapbox and bitch about how many times it's changed, we're talking about non-Greedo shooting first editions. Editions without musical numbers in Jabba's palace. Editions without CG robots fucking around in Mos Eisley. Shit like that.

Yeah, Lucasfilm could just take the recent color-corrected film and exclude the other additions. I've always felt the Special Editions should have a "Play Original" option, but it's not going to happen. As is, I take the good with the bad. I like most of the re-done space battle CG stuff, but can't stand Jabba in Episode 1, the whole Greedo fisaco, etc. Maybe in a future not far, far away we can get ahold of BluRay copies of the movies that will play any variation of the many alters of the movies. Maybe not.

 

[sprsk]

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE

 

[DMczaf]

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films I watched throughout my life a preserved, so that my children can see them." - George Lucas, speaking against the colorization of black and white films.

He really said that? :lol

 

[themadcowtipper]

Stop hateing on George do you know how much it cost to own and run a Ranch, thats why he had to make the changes.....

 

[ManaByte]

He really said that? :lol

Yes, and then he also said the only person who should be allowed to change a movie is its director.

 

[themadcowtipper]

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films I watched throughout my life a preserved, so that my children can see them." - George Lucas, speaking against the colorization of black and white films.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

i dont know about all that light saber stuff, but the biggest fucking joke of all time was how he edited hayden christienson into the ending for return of the jedi. wtf man

 

[border]

They can turn out these CG-fests like the Special Editions and DVD Editions, yet they expect people to believe they can't fix some tinting from the original version?

Yes, and then he also said the only person who should be allowed to change a movie is its director.

And then he changed two Star Wars movies he didn't direct

 

[galeninjapan]

That was hilarious.
Wedding Tape: Digitally Edited :lol

To take out the bride after she dumped his ass. :lol

 

[ManaByte]

They can turn out these CG-fests like the Special Editions and DVD Editions, yet they expect people to believe they can't fix some tinting from the original version?
And then he changed two Star Wars movies he didn't direct

Kershner gave Lucas his blessing because they are still good friends (Kershner directed ESB because he was Lucas' professor at USC).

As for Jedi, Marquand is dead and Irvin Kershner says that Marquand didn't really direct the movie. He hated the actors and the actors wouldn't work with him so according to Kershner, Jedi was really directed by Kershner's assistant director from Empire and George Lucas while Marquand sat off in a corner and drank:
http://www.theforce.net/holonet/story/shock_cinema_interviews_irvin_kershner_83539.asp

 

[galeninjapan]

Kershner gave Lucas his blessing because they are still good friends (Kershner directed ESB because he was Lucas' professor at USC).

As for Jedi, Marquand is dead and Irvin Kershner says that Marquand didn't really direct the movie. He hated the actors and the actors wouldn't work with him so according to Kershner, Jedi was really directed by Kershner's assistant director from Empire and George Lucas while Marquand sat off in a corner and drank:
http://www.theforce.net/holonet/story/shock_cinema_interviews_irvin_kershner_83539.asp

And its still a better movie than the Prequels!!! :lol

The point is that Lucas is a big fat hypocrite.

 

[Willco]

That's bullshit. I know from people who worked on Jedi that Marquand did direct the actors, but let Lucas do the technical side of things. He had his problems with the production, but minimalizing his work so you can add some shitty CG musical number is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Matrix]

i dont know about all that light saber stuff, but the biggest fucking joke of all time was how he edited hayden christienson into the ending for return of the jedi. wtf man

Think about it...

We never saw Anakin as a old man who looked normal,what was left of Anakin/Vader was a fried crispy head...adding Hayden who now has played Anakin in 2 movies makes more sense when you look at all 6 movies together.I think Lucas is just trying to show Anakin when he was a Jedi and good,which he was not as an old man,except for a few mins in the end of Jedi.I was against the change at first,but it actually makes more sense now imo.Shit if Lucas really wanted to go all out and get the good side of Anakin as the force ghost...he would have put Jake Lloyd in instead

ps- LUCAS DONT EVER DO THAT! >_<

 

[Willco]

The problem with Anakin in the whole Force ghost reunion thing is that none of the prequels make that possible without grasping for straws. Anakin was never taught the trick that Obi-Wan and Yoda spent years learning apparently, and the all of a sudden, he's a Force ghost. Amazing!

 

[dynamitejim]

Especially since it technically doesn't exist anymore. The original Star Wars negative was 90% BLUE before they went in and did the SEs.

Sure, you could have the original; but it'll have a blue tint throughout the entire movie except for the credits.

How is this even possible? Weren't THX Remastered versions released on VHS/LD only a few years before the SEs? Were they not transfered from film negatives or do the people at Lucasfilm not know how to store film properly?

 

[ManaByte]

How is this even possible? Weren't THX Remastered versions released on VHS/LD only a few years before the SEs? Were they not transfered from film negatives or do the people at Lucasfilm not know how to store film properly?

The VHS/LD versions weren't taken from the original negative.

Star Wars was so bad there were one or two scenes that were completely gone and they had to go to a home video master just to recover them for the re-release.

Film storage in the later 70's/early 80's is nothing like what it is today.

 

[Matrix]

The problem with Anakin in the whole Force ghost reunion thing is that none of the prequels make that possible without grasping for straws. Anakin was never taught the trick that Obi-Wan and Yoda spent years learning apparently, and the all of a sudden, he's a Force ghost. Amazing!

Yea I agree with you there,I just chalk it up as Anakin is the chosen one who brings balance to the force so here's your get out of jail free card...poof Force ghost.

Grasping for straws is right when it comes to this

 

[border]

So Lucas can append his quote to, "Only directors should be able to change classic films, along with people that get the original director's permission, and people that think the original director didn't put in enough work."

 

[levious]

The problem with Anakin in the whole Force ghost reunion thing is that none of the prequels make that possible without grasping for straws. Anakin was never taught the trick that Obi-Wan and Yoda spent years learning apparently, and the all of a sudden, he's a Force ghost. Amazing!

well, he is the chosen one... I don't even sweat star wars that much, but your constant jihad on this is pretty lame, at least as lame as Mana on the other side.

 

[Willco]

well, he is the chosen one... I don't even sweat star wars that much, but your constant jihad on this is pretty lame, at least as lame as Mana on the other side.

Jihad against what? Star Wars? I like Star Wars. I don't like the fucking prequels (correction: I have problems with Episode I, absolutely hate Episode II and currently have a negative opinion on Episode III). Rabid fans need to separate the two, because God knows the rest of us have.

 

[levious]

Rabid fans need to separate the two, because God knows the rest of us have.

but why stick with it so much? That's all I'm asking. Unless you're a former rabid fan who now feels raped.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Wow. I'm so glad I wandered into this thread. I wasn't getting enough of these debates over in the Official RotS thread.

 

[Willco]

but why stick with it so much? That's all I'm asking. Unless you're a former rabid fan who now feels raped.

Stick with what so much? I didn't start this thread. We're talking about the SE edits. Nobody was even talking about the prequels into you came in.

Wow. I'm so glad I wandered into this thread. I wasn't getting enough of these debates over in the Official RotS thread.

Sorry, I'll just fucking ignore levious.

 

[levious]

I didn't mention the prequels. Others and or you mentioned it... I think you're taking me the wrong way anyway, had no intention of trying to work you up.

edit: ah, I guess I wasn't making sense cause I originally quoted the wrong post of yours, my "he is the chosen one" comment was in response to you asking how would anakin learn the force ghost thing, sorry.

 

[Willco]

I didn't mention the prequels. Others and or you mentioned it... I think you're taking me the wrong way anyway, had no intention of trying to work you up.

Actually, you are right about one thing, I did discuss the prequels, but only due to the new edit in Return of the Jedi. Nobody was talking about the prequels in a bad light either, just that they had not developed anything that would show why Anakin is a force ghost at the end of the movie. How that equates to a "jihad" against the prequels is beyond me. That's as good as something borghe would pull out of his ass.