Greetings, Trump Supporters! - Full Frontal with Samantha Bee

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tearsintherain said:
Late 40's, almost 50 now. Here's another viewpoint
https://vid.me/nZLQ

http://swagger.nyc/posts/sto/my-dad-is-voting-for-trump-and-so-are-theirs

Its unfortunate that so many of the left-ist blogs and posters paint all Trump supporters as racist, sexist, redneck idiots just like Fox News portrays all liberals as communist SJW crusading America-haters, the truth is far more complex but its not like anyone is going to change their minds on a forum.
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I'm just surprised to see those people openly embrace a raging fascist.

Beyond the typical cries of hate, I'm simply waiting for actual substance. All Trump discussions seem to be missing the "how" aspect. What are his proposed policies? How can he achieve what he boasts? People are latching onto things that are not possible. It doesn't make any sense.
 
tearsintherain said:
I love Sam Bee, she has the bite and snark that is totally missing from all the new hosts of late night shows. Haven't watched her show this week yet so will watch tonight.

I freely admit I will probably vote for Trump this fall. As a rich white old male Hillary is totally fine for me, she will not do anything to hurt me and my money will grow even more under her stewardship - my wealth has nearly doubled in the past decade thanks to Wall Street, and she is hard in their pocket. And the country will continue down the path of gridlock, dysfunction, and government getting bigger and bigger every year while doing less and less.

Are a lot of Trump supporters racist? Are most of the things he says a bit insane? Does he say one thing one day and the complete opposite the next? You bet. I'm not stupid, but I rationalize it as him preaching demagoguery to get voted.

A vote for him (or Sanders) though sends the message that "I am frustrated with the current political climate. I don't really know how to tell you to fix things, other than vote for this crazy guy who says he will fix things while the rest of you just say neutered talking points, carefully vetted by your staff."

There are very specific things I would like to see fixed: we spend way too much on defense, we spend way too much sending troops all around the world defending other countries interests, we spend way too much on corporate welfare, we have way too much government meddling, oversight and coddling, and we don't spend enough on basic things like infrastructure (not just roads but WATER as we have seen) and universal healthcare.

Hillary is going to touch NONE of those things, she is way too in bed with the political machine to change it, just like Obama didn't touch most of it (Obamacare was a good step I will say but far short of its potential). Would Trump or Sanders be able to change any of it? I dunno, but they are the two that would most likely try and fail.

Yes, the most important thing the next President does is appointing 2-3 SC justices but at my stage in life that really isn't that big a deal to me, and while they will have an impact on my kids and their future I think a return to a functioning government would have a bigger impact and none of the candidates honestly will do that. I really don't know what could, other than some massive catastrophe that breaks up the political machine that cares more about re-elections than governance.
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So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous rationalisation
 
tearsintherain said:
Late 40's, almost 50 now. Here's another viewpoint
https://vid.me/nZLQ

http://swagger.nyc/posts/sto/my-dad-is-voting-for-trump-and-so-are-theirs

Its unfortunate that so many of the left-ist blogs and posters paint all Trump supporters as racist, sexist, redneck idiots just like Fox News portrays all liberals as communist SJW crusading America-haters, the truth is far more complex but its not like anyone is going to change their minds on a forum.
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Watched the video. Just sounds like dad has deluded himself tbh.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I have latino friends who are trump supporters

There's a lot of conservative value people from latino countries, at the end of the day they care about the economic aspect more than the social aspect, and don't necessarily mind the anti-LGBT stuff conservative mindset.

His argument is that Trump is only attracting the crazies for the votes but isn't going to do anything about it, and will focus on the economic aspect.
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...Actually, that's not too crazy.

I agree with that last part in particular.

Neo C. said:
More evidence that educated people aren't necessarily educated. That's what happens when education is modeled for economy purposes.
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So, the way it's always been done?
 
ApharmdX said:
I LOVE that black Trump supporter. What would have to happen to a (gay? I think he said he was gay?) black man to get him to support Donald Trump? I have to know.
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He trying to get that repub dick, those antigay guys think about anal sex too much so maybe he's just trying to get some and hush hush money
 
Just wanted to say I've been watching Full Frontal w/Sam Bee online since this thread and it's great. Makes me wish she was chosen as the Daily Show host aside from not knowing how good she is at interviewing Hollywood celebrities which I don't really give a shit about.

Sam Bee was always one of my favorite TDS correspondents (I honestly never cared for a large majority of them) so this is definitely up there with Last Week Tonight as a weekly supplemental Daily Show fix.
 
I think it's staged. I mean, I just don't think there are people who are educated have that sort of logic, or in other word the utter lack of it.
 
I watched the video and I keep hearing from those Trump supporters about how "divisive" America is. I cannot help but to feel it is some kind of code word for something far more cynical. How is Trump, a guy who wants to put up a wall along the Mexican border, who wants to temporarily ban Muslim until he figures some things out, who mocks Asian accents and then more, can hope to decrease this "divisiveness" that those supporters speak of. WHAT is this divisiveness they are speaking of and how has it gotten worse lately ? Are they talking about immigrants or blacks or something ? I know the demographic of USA is becoming more multicultural, so are those people not happy with more diverse work environment ? I am trying to understand since I'm from Canada and in particular, the industry I work at is literally 90% non-Canadian.
 
NetMapel said:
I watched the video and I keep hearing from those Trump supporters about how "divisive" America is. I cannot help but to feel it is some kind of code word for something far more cynical. How is Trump, a guy who wants to put up a wall along the Mexican border, who wants to temporarily ban Muslim until he figures some things out, who mocks Asian accents and then more, can hope to decrease this "divisiveness" that those supporters speak of. WHAT is this divisiveness they are speaking of and how has it gotten worse lately ? Are they talking about immigrants or blacks or something ? I know the demographic of USA is becoming more multicultural, so are those people not happy with more diverse work environment ? I am trying to understand since I'm from Canada and in particular, the industry I work at is literally 90% non-Canadian.
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Simple...

They don't want to hear about how racist they are. So that's the divide. People pointing out how racist they are. Half of the nation can't admit racism exists. So it just gets coded.

Like "race baiters"

Or..

"Liberal"
 
NetMapel said:
I watched the video and I keep hearing from those Trump supporters about how "divisive" America is. I cannot help but to feel it is some kind of code word for something far more cynical. How is Trump, a guy who wants to put up a wall along the Mexican border, who wants to temporarily ban Muslim until he figures some things out, who mocks Asian accents and then more, can hope to decrease this "divisiveness" that those supporters speak of. WHAT is this divisiveness they are speaking of and how has it gotten worse lately ? Are they talking about immigrants or blacks or something ? I know the demographic of USA is becoming more multicultural, so are those people not happy with more diverse work environment ? I am trying to understand since I'm from Canada and in particular, the industry I work at is literally 90% non-Canadian.
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Some people feel racial divisiveness is not caused by racism, but by the mere presence/power of other races.

If everybody/everybody that is relevant is white, then you are less divisive.

To many people, divisiveness is caused by uppity races, not by racism.
 
This segment legitimately shook me. Like, if Trump wins I think I might leave the US, shook. And I know that's utterly excessive but if these folks typify where America is going, I really don't know how to interact with them properly. I was just slackjawed at everything they said - their rush to defend Trump's proposed ban on Muslims because it was "only temporary" was amazing.
 
commedieu said:
Simple...

They don't want to hear about how racist they are. So that's the divide. People pointing out how racist they are. Half of the nation can't admit racism exists. So it just gets coded.

Like "race baiters"

Or..

"Liberal"
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Yaboosh said:
Some people feel racial divisiveness is not caused by racism, but by the mere presence/power of other races.

If everybody/everybody that is relevant is white, then you are less divisive.

To many people, divisiveness is caused by uppity races, not by racism.
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Appreciate your replies. I just don't get how having a more diverse environment is changing how these people live their day-to-day life, I guess. How has Obama being the president created more divisiveness in their day-to-day lives ? I still don't honestly get this unconscious anger or hatred inside of some of those people. Are they getting paid less at work because of diversity ? Are their children failing at school more because of diversity ? Are they not able to go out on a picnic at their local park or backyard because of "divisiveness" ? My brain hurts just thinking if their dogs got kicked by some foreigners long ago to cause such a way of thinking. Some of them clearly aren't your typical red-neck type of people. So what's really the underlying deal going on here ?
 
I've met plenty of fairly young Trump supporters with college and graduate educations. Anecdotally, they are notably more numerous now than those I knew for Romney.
 
NetMapel said:
Appreciate your replies. I just don't get how having a more diverse environment is changing how these people live their day-to-day life, I guess. How has Obama being the president created more divisiveness in their day-to-day lives ? I still don't honestly get this unconscious anger or hatred inside of some of those people. Are they getting paid less at work because of diversity ? Are their children failing at school more because of diversity ? Are they not able to go out on a picnic at their local park or backyard because of "divisiveness" ? My brain hurts just thinking if their dogs got kicked by some foreigners long ago to cause such a way of thinking. Some of them clearly aren't your typical red-neck type of people. So what's really the underlying deal going on here ?
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Imo. Based on history. It's bigotry and fear of change. People thought Obama meant blacks would run wild. Instead, the reality was a sustained trend of minorities being thrown in jail. The facts are hard to discuss, because one side doesn't have any genuine issues to discuss. Just boogeymen, and anecdotes.

The civil rights movement wasn't that long ago. People thought and believed minorities shouldn't have equal rights. We aren't that removed from that thinking. Or that thinking being passed down. Remember Rue from hunger games? It's a palpable issue here.

Visit stormfront.com/org. Whatever that white supremacist site is. Read their issues and how they feel. Generally... it just all points to Jewish controlled media... And a war on white people... they are afraid of minorities ruining the country and destroying white america. So in a way, minorities not being subject to institutionalised racism/lack of opportunity, equal rights. Is and has always been a threat to a large number of americans.

I think it's just projecting. They are afraid the blacks are going to mutilate their genitalia and enslave them or something. Some how blacks and browns are going to punish them for their actions. That thinking creates fertile grounds for boogeypeople.
 
Triplicates said:
I've met plenty of fairly young Trump supporters with college and graduate educations. Anecdotally, they are notably more numerous now than those I knew for Romney.
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There was a Vox article that makes the argument that Trump cuts across the various GOP demographic groups better than any other GOP candidate. The one commonality and predicted of Trump support appears to be a predilection towards authoritarianism
 
In my robotics club at school and elec engineering classes I know several people who are pro-Trump. Some of them support Sanders first and Trump second, and at least one of them is really into Trump (he also has some stereotypical right-win attributes) because "Trump is the only one who has authority". It's kind of baffling. I'm pretty sure one of my professors is a Trump supporter as well although he makes an effort to be subtle and not beat us over the head about it. He also happens to be by far one of my favorite professors I've ever had. There's definitely a very strong anti-establishment sentiment that I've never noticed before.
 
Trump doesn't care about the duties of the presidency he just cares about the title. If someone guaranteed him the election but said he would have no power as President and someone else would actually fulfill the role, he would take that deal. He'd put his name on the White House if he could.
 
tearsintherain said:
I love Sam Bee, she has the bite and snark that is totally missing from all the new hosts of late night shows. Haven't watched her show this week yet so will watch tonight.
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I think John Oliver has way more bite and snark personally, but Bee's show is definitely closer to Stewart's style of comedy.

tearsintherain said:
I freely admit I will probably vote for Trump this fall. As a rich white old male Hillary is totally fine for me, she will not do anything to hurt me and my money will grow even more under her stewardship - my wealth has nearly doubled in the past decade thanks to Wall Street, and she is hard in their pocket. And the country will continue down the path of gridlock, dysfunction, and government getting bigger and bigger every year while doing less and less.
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Also, good lord. You just invited all 25+ pages of that HillGAF 'stale' thread to come barreling your way.
 
Valhelm said:
Why is Trump, a racist who openly courts white supremacists like no other modern Republican, doing better with people of color than other GOP candidates?

I don't get it. At all.
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Is he really that much worse than other candidates? He just seems to be less shy and more direct.
 
NimbusD said:
This is actually pretty enlightening imo. Supporters seem to just enjoy the things he says on the sole basis that no one else says them. Things like declaring mexico will build us a wall. But they ignore everything bad as a minor downside at worst.

What else can you expect? The reason no other politician is saying these things is because they're outright lies or impossibilities. They make no sense. If you're either overlooking those things or not paying attention to them, of course you're going to overlook the implications of banning a religious group from entering the US, or even more blatant xenophobic rhetoric.

It's like people just want someone who speaks (shouts?) like he's going to force everything to be better, like it or not. That's it, they don't care how or if it's even possible. Trump might as well say we're going to colonize Mars for America in the next four years.
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I think that's part of it. They see Trump as a fighter and the same for Bernie. It seems his support is made up of people who have inclination to authoritarianism, someone that is fighting against the status quo or the establishment, some that can accomplish all are problems, etc. Trump can lie as much as he wants, but as long as he says he can do it and repeat it they will believe him. Something is wrong with America and she has solutions that isn't 'typical'.

To me this is down to some people being ignorant and misinformed, sometimes willfully. They are mad at something I feel they know very little about. Like thy are mad at the establishment for I guess not having any progress to the country of whatever that progress is that has something to do with the economy I guess. Which has something to do with Congress not being very productive. Now if that is the case, I find it funny that they thing he will solve anything, because congress would barely work with him, being a master negotiator means jackshit to people who been in this game for decades.

But I do not think some of these people even know anything about getting his stuff passed, but like what you said I do not think they even care about the logistics of it, until reality hits them.
 
Valhelm said:
The GOP was trying to pivot toward Hispanic voters before Trump. He killed any hope of that.
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He killed that for at least another 2 decades. Fun fact, Latin Americans don't like being referred to as rapist, thieves and murderers, who would have thought that?
 
tearsintherain said:
I love Sam Bee, she has the bite and snark that is totally missing from all the new hosts of late night shows. Haven't watched her show this week yet so will watch tonight.

I freely admit I will probably vote for Trump this fall. As a rich white old male Hillary is totally fine for me, she will not do anything to hurt me and my money will grow even more under her stewardship - my wealth has nearly doubled in the past decade thanks to Wall Street, and she is hard in their pocket. And the country will continue down the path of gridlock, dysfunction, and government getting bigger and bigger every year while doing less and less.

Are a lot of Trump supporters racist? Are most of the things he says a bit insane? Does he say one thing one day and the complete opposite the next? You bet. I'm not stupid, but I rationalize it as him preaching demagoguery to get voted.

A vote for him (or Sanders) though sends the message that "I am frustrated with the current political climate. I don't really know how to tell you to fix things, other than vote for this crazy guy who says he will fix things while the rest of you just say neutered talking points, carefully vetted by your staff."

There are very specific things I would like to see fixed: we spend way too much on defense, we spend way too much sending troops all around the world defending other countries interests, we spend way too much on corporate welfare, we have way too much government meddling, oversight and coddling, and we don't spend enough on basic things like infrastructure (not just roads but WATER as we have seen) and universal healthcare.

Hillary is going to touch NONE of those things, she is way too in bed with the political machine to change it, just like Obama didn't touch most of it (Obamacare was a good step I will say but far short of its potential). Would Trump or Sanders be able to change any of it? I dunno, but they are the two that would most likely try and fail.

Yes, the most important thing the next President does is appointing 2-3 SC justices but at my stage in life that really isn't that big a deal to me, and while they will have an impact on my kids and their future I think a return to a functioning government would have a bigger impact and none of the candidates honestly will do that. I really don't know what could, other than some massive catastrophe that breaks up the political machine that cares more about re-elections than governance.
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TL:DR: Fuck you, I got mine.
 
Neo C. said:
More evidence that educated people aren't necessarily educated. That's what happens when education is modeled for economy purposes.
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Ha what a joke post.

If education was modeled with an economic purpose liberal arts would face greater scrutiny than it does now and schools would place a very high emphasis on stem.
 
wildfire said:
Ha what a joke post.

If education was modeled with an economic purpose liberal arts would face greater scrutiny than it does now and schools would place a very high emphasis on stem.
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Compared to my time in the university (and I studied liberal arts!), today's education is indeed all for economy, especially in the US. I mean how would you justify the obscene tuition fees? You guys better get a really good job after your study.
 
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