alucard0712_rus
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Wow. They have been hacked then. That's very unfortunate. I feel sorry for the dev's. GTA5 source code my God...
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GTA 6 just got leaked (Up: confirmed real)
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Wow. They have been hacked then. That's very unfortunate. I feel sorry for the dev's. GTA5 source code my God...
CherryFalls
Banned
Is there any reason this would affect development of the game? These seems like an IT department and Legal department issues. animators, programmers, narrative director, mission designers etc would carry on with their jobs as normal, no?
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Neff
Member
10K lines of code were publicly posted. There's a shitload of code they now have to re-write for security/anti-cheat purposes. They'll also have to go through every video which was leaked to ensure there's nothing similarly sensitive in there, and if there is, protect it. And that's after they reassess their security and workflow policies. They have a lot of work to do purely as a result of this leak.
TVexperto
Member
wow! you are really smart!
"We do not anticipate any effefct on the developmenet of our ongoing projects."
Balducci30
Member
People saying it delays the game two years are being oddly specific and have absolutely no clue - how in the hell would that ever be the case
Iced Arcade
Member
Thanks, so insightful.
Basing a purchase on the quality of a company especially their holy Trinity was just stupid. I see the light now.
GHG
Gold Member
And there we go.
People can stop simping for them and offering messages of sympathies on twitter now.
Rockstar to all those concerned:
saintjules
Gold Member
TVexperto
Member
because he tried to sound smart
sertopico
Member
I doubt 10000 lines of code could strongly affect the development, putting everything at risk, it could be even less if you exclude comments and whitespaces... A game engine with all its subsystems has muuuuuch more than that. It's another story if this hacker would have posted just a part of what he stole, in order to demonstrate he actually has something, and having stolen a bigger amount of the source code he didn't show. But judging from R* tweet it's not that tragic as everybody depicted it, or maybe they're just doing some damage control.
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Not shure. He is a minor and nothing indicates he is going to be judged as an adult. He could get quite nothing from the justice.
ManaByte
Banned
If it's true all he did was access someone's Slack account, then he'll get a slap on the hand.
Rocco Schiavone
Member
Is the Twitter-Account of the leaker real??
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Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Yeah it’s all age dependant.
Accessing someone’s account/computer is a breach of the computer misuse act whatever way you look at it. This guy/group clearly knew what they were doing or Rockstars security policies are so shit, that they were able to brute force an account or something. I am looking forward to seeing if we get a breakdown of how this intrusion occurred.
Most people think that security breaches are some mad APT group/Nation state with hundreds of members, but in actual fact most breaches are down to misconfigurations, poor code and SDLC, and really bad AAA (Authentication, authorisation and accountability) controls in place.
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ManaByte
Banned
Yup. Gary McKinnon got into NASA because their Windows RDP had a default password.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That, and then putting out a big middle finger statement to RDR2 fans, which has sold over 50m copies (most pubs/devs would dream for that as a second place game in the studio, let alone first). To have "all hands on deck" to this... to this GTAV: Redux.
Leaving RDR2 without a patch in well over a year, which there were things they broke and needed to fix from the patch prior. Sigh.
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Hugare
Gold Member
Damage control is a thing
Believing its true just because they are telling you so is not as smart as you think it is
As stated on
Neff
post, they will have to change thousand lines of code. Not only for GTA VI, but also V, if the source code for the game gets leaked to the public. They have GTA Online running right now and that would be a shitshow if the source code gets out there
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
This is it for me also, I’d pay money for a patch as I’m a sucker for that game. But they could probably unlock it fairly easily on PS5/XSX, doesn’t even have to be rock solid, I can live with dips, but the fact that a beloved game is left stranded on old hardware whereas a lot of AAA devs have upscaled/patched is disappointing.
It’s their prerogative, I’ll be there day 1 for GTA6 and probably anything they release if I’m being honest but it does stink.
Razvedka
Banned
Someone here is educated in info/cybersecurity. Tipped your hand with 'APT'.
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TVexperto
Member
Bro you clearly have no idea how the real world works.Damage control is a thing
Believing its true just because they are telling you so is not as smart as you think it is
As stated on
They have GTA Online running right now and that would be a shitshow if the source code gets out there
They have an obligation to tell the truth to investors. Take-Two Interactive has issued an 8-K SEC filing informing investors about the Rockstar Games hack and subsequent GTA 6 leaks.
Hugare
Gold Member
Just like CDPR never lied to investors regarding Cyberpunk, right?
Go read or listen to the investor calls before release
You are being naive
Not saying that's the case here and they are lieing, but its a possibility, yes
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Putonahappyface
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Majormaxxx
Member
No, it is me, I am
MMaRsu
Member
Anticipate doesnt mean anything concrete though. Dont take publishers words for gospel bro.
TVexperto
Member
ok i will rather take some random guys word on this forum who said it will now take 2 more years
must be sad living in a world where you expect everyone to lie without consequences
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
This is a silly strawman.
No one is saying hackers hacking into video game companies is going to cause anyone physical harm or cause cancer.
If GTA6 however gets delayed by a year, or if key parts of the story get spoiled, or if key features or mechanics of the game intended as a surprise by the creator get spoiled by these shitstains, then it's causing very real harm to people's gaming hobby.
And your point about sympathy is redundant because it is not the multi-billion dollar conglomerate corporate overlords of these gaming companies who are affected by this sort of stuff, it is the very devs and artists who design and intend to delight gamers with a designed gaming experience who get their work exposed in a light they never intended before it was ever ready. The corporate overloads couldn't give a toss. So you should be sympathetic by your own logic.
That said, I care more about my experience playing whatever the eventual GTA6 game will be, and i'd rather not see parts of it spoiled, or misrepresented in a way that destroys my excitement for the game before the devs ever intended for it to be shown. And if the game gets delayed because of this... well.. there's a special place in hell for the wankers who caused that, imho.
That you go so far to defend hacking, is in my view frankly disgusting.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
"ongoing projects"....!!!!
GTA6 is a future project. There's a clear disctinction.
chromhound
Gold Member
Too late lol
Hugare
Gold Member
Not sadder than living in a world where you trust whatever corporate bullshit companies throws at you
Thinking that thousand lines of code being stolen would cause delays should be just common sense. It's not a reach.
Do you think that they will ship the game with those lines in it?
It's like seeing that ship closing the Suez Canal and wondering "could it cause any delays?", and then someone saying "nah man, the ship's company told investors that it was no biggie"
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ThatOneGrunt
Member
I hate that this got leaked.
Upper_Management
Member
It's a bummer that it was leaked. Feel bad for the team and everyone involved working on the project. It will impact the development cycle in some fashion and push the ship date out even further.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Anyone have a link to an analysis of the source code?
It's always fascinating when we get a glimpse into a major developer like this. I don't want to download it myself and go through it, but surely someone has analyzed and posted some insights or interesting bits?
It's always fascinating when we get a glimpse into a major developer like this. I don't want to download it myself and go through it, but surely someone has analyzed and posted some insights or interesting bits?
ReBurn
Gold Member
Nobody starts from zero. What would be the purpose? "I guess we gotta write new code that works exactly like the old code" isn't what they're going to do, but if it is what they do they're stupid.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
It's way too early to decide whether a delay is necessary or not. They're likely still evaluating the extent of the damage.
Lady Jane
Banned
Just wait for a Youtuber to do the work for us while we watch it with adblock on
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Get over yourself. I’m not defending hacking. I actively work in the industry to prevent these types of incidents.
I’m saying that it’s an eventuality that any company, if a group wants to get in….will.
I am sympathetic to a degree, but I’m a realist. It’s sucks if this delays things. But it’s not the end of the world. If it increases security within Rockstar then that’s a positive right? Every cloud has a silver lining. If this had happened later down the line when the game was nearly complete then this would be 100 times worse. The stuff in the leak is pretty meaningless in my eyes if they can shut the loop on the source code, with cheating etc. they have saved face quite well.
Get some perspective in your life, if this is the worst thing to happen to you this year. I advise you go over to the off topic forum and read the Russia begins invasion of Ukraine thread and then appreciate that this is an insignificant thing to get wound up about.
FUBARx89
Member
I mean, all the cyberpunk hack did was delay a patch by a month or something. Not sure why he's saying started over from 0.
If I remember rightly it was delayed due to CDPR still doing remote working and work stations where locked out due to the hack then CDPR requested all devices to be returned to be scanned for malware etc etc.
Lady Jane
Banned
Seeing takes like "think what this did to the developer!" are something else. Any developer that is emotionally hurt by this leak need to take a step back, or possibly a week off, and re-evaluate their priorities. It's a product that they're being paid to make. It owes them nothing and they owe it nothing, including emotional investment. It got leaked? Did that affect their salary? No? Then who cares? Move on.
Developers are getting paid. We see leaks. Everyone wins. The only losers are the ones who have to suffer through reading "work is my passion" tweets.
Developers are getting paid. We see leaks. Everyone wins. The only losers are the ones who have to suffer through reading "work is my passion" tweets.
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BackBackPunch
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Even if the hacker got 100% of the source code, what real-world effect would it really have? It's not like some company can buy it and suddenly release their own GTA. It doesn't work like that, at all. No legit developer would touch that code, because of the legal ramifications of doing do.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I literally had a friend argue that corporations are people. I was like what are you Mitt Romney?
People have lost it with this whole moral outrage cycle. Everyone just wants to cash in and get some pats on the back for showing how much they care. Now on era, people are upset that because the alleged hacker is 16 years old and autistic, he should not be jailed. Like wtf is going on? Why do we have to show sympathy for every fucking thing that happens? When PSN got hacked in 2011, we all ripped Sony a new one instead of saying my hearts go out to them. I remember Kaz Hirai going up there and literally bowing for 2 minutes in shame. Or as an apology or whatever the hell he was doing. He wasnt even the CEO of Playstation at the time, but as CEO of Sony he went out there like a man and apologized instead of asking for thoughts and prayers.
If they were Doxxed, received death threats, or had their bank accounts hacked then ok, my thoughts and prayers. But this is a hack just like so many hacks over the years. Naughty Dog, CD Project Red. Ubisoft gets hacked by airplane stewards everyday. No one cares.
All this distracts from the real dialogue which should be DOMINATING twitter. i.e., is the game last gen? when did the game start development? Why has it taken them 9 years to reveal the next GTA? 10 if they reveal it next year? Is the game in development hell? Over an hour of footage leaked and a not a single new or innovative feature in the game? Maybe the game is next gen. Maybe the game isnt in development hell, and maybe there are alot of new innovative features in the game that the leak didnt show. But surely talking about a massive leak's content is more important than talking about whether or not this 16 year old deserves to be prosecuted. Who knows maybe it would force Rockstar to issue a statement definitively declaring the game will be next gen only. Or at the very least reveal it earlier than normal.
West Texas CEO
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A developer can make tweaks to the code to avoid legal consequences. It's easy.
BackBackPunch
Member
Lol, no. Do you think a UbiSoft would buy stolen code for a GTA game, make "tweaks" to it, and use it themselves? Get real. No way in hell.
EDIT: Not to mention that the initial act of purchasing said stolen code is highly, highly illegal.
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Neff
Member
It's certainly small potatoes in terms of the game's body of data, but it's public, raw code nonetheless, and you don't want it out there, for numerous reasons. It's not the worst thing to happen, and the code will almost certainly be updated as time goes on, but they have to be careful about what's been exposed regardless, since it gives anyone looking for exploits and weaknesses a terrific head start. Entire games and systems have been breached over less.
Lady Jane
Banned
I don't wish to upload it anywhere because I don't feel like getting banned off a service but it's nothing but walking around in debug mode. If you've seen a few clips, you've seen them all.
BackBackPunch
Member
Did everyone forget that GTA is traditionally a console release? How are exploits and weaknesses going to be effectively used in a closed platform like Playstation or Xbox?
Neff
Member
It can happen. The Wii was hacked early on using a weakness found in Smash Bros Brawl.
It's simply not good to have your code out in the open.
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