GTA IV: The Lost and Damned - Hands-On Previews Out Today

Not enough to make me get a used 360 copy just for this.
 
Smokey said:
THIS

fucking sick of the gta4 hate. it's like it's the cool thing to do nowadays so why not!!?
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Seriously. I hate the complaints about the driving. Driving is easy. I'm awesome at powersliding through a turn in traffic while being chased by cops
well if I'm in one of my preferred cars
 
I might get this. I don't understand why R* is spending time on new multiplayer modes though. Did anyone even care about MP in the first game?
 
Mp is still a total blast to play and lots of people are doing it!

I would piss in my pants if R* added campaign coop for L&D. Please!!!
 
ElyrionX said:
I might get this. I don't understand why R* is spending time on new multiplayer modes though. Did anyone even care about MP in the first game?
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It's been in the XBL top 5 for 9 months.
 
D4Danger said:
It's been in the XBL top 5 for 9 months.
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Doesn't that just mean it's in the top 5 most played games? The people don't have to be playing multiplayer, just connected to the internet.
 
The setting and characters of the DLC still seem totally unatractive to me but the other features of the DLC are looking really great. I'll have to start the game over as my old save is dead and gone but this DLC may motivate me to do so.
 
I didn't like the multiplayer. The Race modes were ok, everything else was too unstructured and the gunplay isn't good enough to make me want to play it over pure shooters. Co-op seems to fit these types of games better.
 
ascii42 said:
Doesn't that just mean it's in the top 5 most played games? The people don't have to be playing multiplayer, just connected to the internet.
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According to a certain segment of GAF no one was even playing the game in general anymore ;)
 
any gang members who survives a mission will gradually level up, becoming harder to kill, and sharper of shot. If they're offed, however, they'll be replaced by less useful newcomers, and the process begins anew.
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This sounds fucking AWESOME.
 
Tobor said:
After GTA4, I won't trust most GAFfers on their opinion of the DLC either.

EDIT to be more clear: GTA4 = A great game, Majority of GAFfers = Lousy opinions
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Shit I must be crazy for complaining about the lackluster missions and lack of content, and don't get me started on them "choices".
 
Good to read that they rebalanced the bikes. That was definitely needed and the major factor that would have stopped me from picking it up.


IGN said:
The thought of playing a dozen hours of GTA IV with a focus on bikes had me a little worried before picking up the controller. However, Rockstar made a number of fixes for L&D that should dissipate any frustrations. You really have to work hard to get knocked off your bike. In fact, it took me plowing head-first into a fence to finally get thrown. Bikes are easier to control overall, but even if you bump cars, nudge walls, or slam against the occasional light post, you will most likely stay on your seat.
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Eurogamer said:
Rockstar has been gently tweaking elsewhere, too: bike handling has been subtly revised, with Johnny's thick-tyred custom model hugging the road with a greater sense of weight,
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Well done, Rockstar.

You are the first big name developer to offer a real expansion via dlc outside of shivering isles.

Since GTA4 is such a prominent title hopefully this is a kick in the arse to the rest of the industry.
 
One thing I'm curious about--how do you launch this? GTA4 has no main menu, so how do you trigger this? Inside GTA4? Does this add a main menu to GTA4 when you first boot it up? From outside, as a stand-alone separate thing?
 
Stumpokapow said:
One thing I'm curious about--how do you launch this? GTA4 has no main menu, so how do you trigger this? Inside GTA4? Does this add a main menu to GTA4 when you first boot it up? From outside, as a stand-alone separate thing?
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You choose when you load. Vanilla or L&D.
 
Stumpokapow said:
One thing I'm curious about--how do you launch this? GTA4 has no main menu, so how do you trigger this? Inside GTA4? Does this add a main menu to GTA4 when you first boot it up? From outside, as a stand-alone separate thing?
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To access The Lost & Damned, boot up a copy of GTA IV and start a new game. You can now choose between GTA IV and L&D.
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:D
 
GTA IV: The Lost and the Damned is looking like one of the best deals around. You're essentially getting a full game for just 20 bucks. While we haven't been given any details on the multiplayer, we're told it's as robust an offering as the single-player. Oh, and if you've noticed L&D listed for sale at a retail outlet such as GameStop, know that this is not a disc. It's just a card with a code you can enter on Xbox Live to download the DLC.
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While some may be put-off by the absence of a new island to explore, 1600 Microsoft Points will buy you what Rockstar is pitching as content equal to roughly one third of the original game's missions, along with a range of new multiplayer modes, none of which have been revealed so far. The real prize, however, may not lie in the numbers game and the careful totting up of new material, but in the simple way a fresh pair of eyes and a new set of wheels allows you to enjoyably revisit such an expansive, detailed playground. Niko will be missed, but who can turn down a weekend with a bunch of low-down bikers?
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sounds really good.
 
The scripts for GTA IV and L&D were written at the same time and Rockstar had this crossover in mind from the very beginning. Instead of just tacking on a few elements from the GTA IV story, Rockstar has been able to fully integrate characters into both. Niko isn't the only character you'll recognize on your journey and subplots barely touched on in GTA IV will be more fully explored.
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Nice, 2 oscar calibur scripts. Did one of them get nominated yesterday? Fuck you Hilary. Am I supposed to forget the last year? Will wait for GAF to play before getting into it again.
Though my brief encounter with Niko was enjoyable, I have to say that the best mission...
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So, one of the problems was Rockstar giving limited play to certain people under suspect conditions. Has this been addressed?

You're essentially getting a full game for just 20 bucks
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I haven't completed a GTA in 20 hours since 2. Can he stop with the exaggeration?
 
Stumpokapow said:
One thing I'm curious about--how do you launch this? GTA4 has no main menu, so how do you trigger this? Inside GTA4? Does this add a main menu to GTA4 when you first boot it up? From outside, as a stand-alone separate thing?
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It probably is seamlessly integrated into an existing area of GTA4.
 
AndyD said:
It probably is seamlessly integrated into an existing area of GTA4.
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To access The Lost & Damned, boot up a copy of GTA IV and start a new game. You can now choose between GTA IV and L&D. Though both take place in Liberty City, the two are separate stories and separate game worlds, meaning you don't gain access to the new interiors in L&D if you're playing GTA IV. You can't take Niko into The Lost clubhouse to kill a bunch of bikers, sorry. Aside from the initial download, you won't need an Xbox Live connection to play L&D. Unlike some downloadable content, there's no online verification required. So if the 'net goes down, you can still take L&D for a spin.
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IGN
 
cilonen said:
It'll be the flip side of the mission you did in GTAIV as Niko with Playboy and Johnny, but from Johnny's POV.
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Yeah. I really can't wait for this. Total dream come true. I hope they make like five more of these.
 
skinnyrattler said:
So, one of the problems was Rockstar giving limited play to certain people under suspect conditions. Has this been addressed?
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IGN confirmed what I thought was the case. By brief, I assume he meant Niko's only encountered during that mission (as far as they've seen - but as Niko, do you encounter Johnny once more? - I forget).

I'd have liked some word on greater interaction in the city - can I do something with all the cash? Can I buy properties and invest in businesses? Is there anything there to bring back the immersion of San Andreas rather than the detailed but strangely uninteractive Liberty City of GTAIV? I have no real desire to go through the same lifeless city again as someone else. Ready for a new city now, hopefully with some of the things they cut out from the previous gen back.
 
Beaulieu said:
MP was awesome man. Seriously.
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Yep. Playing with your buddies was some of the best multiplayer to be found last year.

Anybody who hasn't played a couple of rounds of competitive Mafia Wars with friends has really missed out.
 
NullPointer said:
Yep. Playing with your buddies was some of the best multiplayer to be found last year.

Anybody who hasn't played a couple of rounds of competitive Mafia Wars with friends has really missed out.
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The idea of GTA online was fine but the game was buggy as fuck and stopped me dead in my tracks. Hopefully with this they'll have revamped a lot of the multiplayer but I'm not counting on it sadly
 
That's true, one of my complaints was after a certain point in the game the acquisition of cash just becomes pointless. You get free apartments to live in, Little Jacob provides discount weapons.... you just acquire more and more with no reason. Give us stuff to buy! Big ass mansion, business interests..... maybe even a stock portfolio.
 
IGN said:
To access The Lost & Damned, boot up a copy of GTA IV and start a new game. You can now choose between GTA IV and L&D. Though both take place in Liberty City, the two are separate stories and separate game worlds, meaning you don't gain access to the new interiors in L&D if you're playing GTA IV. You can't take Niko into The Lost clubhouse to kill a bunch of bikers, sorry. Aside from the initial download, you won't need an Xbox Live connection to play L&D. Unlike some downloadable content, there's no online verification required. So if the 'net goes down, you can still take L&D for a spin.
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Uggg... That's a deal breaker for me.

In open world games it makes no sense to stratify the content like this. Seems like Oblivion and Burnout to a lesser extent are the only ones that've handled this right from day 1.
 
No news on whether the annoying friend system is going to be back? Will Johnny be getting phone calls every 5 minutes from his biker buddies to go play pool or go drinking?

Hopefully they've dropped that and added some 'bucket and spade' items to play with in the sandbox after you've completed the story line, so the world doesn't fell dull and empty with nothing fun to do except find all the blasted flying rats!
 
i enjoyed GTA4. ill probably get the expansion when it some out if it sounds good.

i never had a problem with the vehicles either. but i couldnt find much enjoyement out of the multiplayer experience.


While some may be put-off by the absence of a new island to explore, 1600 Microsoft Points will buy you what Rockstar is pitching as content equal to roughly one third of the original game's missions,
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You're essentially getting a full game for just 20 bucks
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contradict much?
 
skinnyrattler said:
So, one of the problems was Rockstar giving limited play to certain people under suspect conditions. Has this been addressed?
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It's a hands-on. You can be indignant when the review is out, I promise.
 
I can't wait. I'm playing through GTA IV for the second time on PS3 (gotta get mah trophies) but will buy the 360 version for this.

Boourns @ nerfing the bike handling for the weaksauce brigade. Man up and ride free!
 
Daigoro said:
i enjoyed GTA4. ill probably get the expansion when it some out if it sounds good.

i never had a problem with the vehicles either. but i couldnt find much enjoyement out of the multiplayer experience.






contradict much?
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Honestly I'm hoping for about 10 hours of content. I'm pretty slow in GTA games but I rarely do the extra crap. I clocked in at about 30 hours in GTA 4 so with a third of the missions I'm figuring on about 10 hours.
 
epmode said:
It's a hands-on. You can be indignant when the review is out, I promise.
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Let him feel the way he wants. I played the whole game, I know it's phenomenal. Everyone who gave the game GOTY honors did the same. It's an irrelevant argument now that the game is in the wild and has received accolades on its own merits.
 
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