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[RPGCrazied]

They should be named and fired. Nobody in the FBI should be playing politics at all. Disgusting.

 

[Dineren]

Any chance Obama will get rid of Comey after the election instead of waiting for Hillary? Seems like it would be better for Hillary politically for Obama to do it, but the people who would rage the most would assign the blame to Hillary regardless.

 

[capitalCORN]

^^^ edit: thread is moving quickly, wanted it to be clear what I had edited.



I get that - the entire situation is horribly fucked. I'm not saying that *any* of them are wrong, or at least I hope that's not how I'm coming across. It's disturbing that we're getting the leaks at all. I'm just saying that there are reasons, for better or worse, that investigators would make leaks in this situation considering the stakes/ramifications.

If there was a bomb to drop they would have released it and called it a day. If the matter was one of dignity, any one member could have martyred themselves for the cause, because if the evidence mattered, It would have served their narrative anyways. In this game of duel, the FBI has done nothing but take half steps, feinting attack, without committing anything worthwhile. If they really have the goods, why stop at just whistling?

 

[Ganondolf]

Hilary won't be able to touch the FBI if she is elected if they are investigating her (which we know they are on at least 2 different matters).

 

[shoplifter]

Regarding what you stated, if members of the FBI are forcing leaks or disclosure of Clinton investigation stuff then why has nothing revealed actually been anything worth pursuing legally? That FOIA release had nothing of merit to it. It was all redacted, all fluff. There could be something incriminating Clinton but what they released showed nothing of the sort. Thus it logically comes across as partisan action until something is shown that actual indicates true wrongdoing on Clinton's part.

I'm not talking about the FOIA releases at all. As far as that stuff goes, I'm under the assumption that it followed the request guidelines and the FBI just released it like they're supposed to. If they get three requests, they post it online, presumably so they can avoid filling further requests. I'm going with this being entirely above board and procedural. I think the 'FBIAnon is leaking stuff via FOIA' theory is interesting but I'm not putting anything into it right now.

I can only assume that whatever evidence they've uncovered (assuming they actually have, obviously) in the CF probe won't be revealed until they decide to pursue/not pursue and indictment. Which they may be and are being stonewalled, I just don't know, so I can only speculate.

 

[SwiftDeath]

So yeah...

I guess I could see how that somewhat lends to 2 separate factions based on party affiliation but it also reads to me like one side is worried the other side is acting partisan and if so I don't see why people who support the same party can't be on the "You guys are acting too partisan" team.

I'm not talking about the FOIA releases at all. As far as that stuff goes, I'm under the assumption that it followed the request guidelines and the FBI just released it like they're supposed to. If they get three requests, they post it online, presumably so they can avoid filling further requests. I'm going with this being entirely above board and procedural. I think the 'FBIAnon is leaking stuff via FOIA' theory is interesting but I'm not putting anything into it right now.

I can only assume that whatever evidence they've uncovered (assuming they actually have, obviously) in the CF probe won't be revealed until they decide to pursue/not pursue and indictment. Which they may be and are being stonewalled, I just don't know, so I can only speculate.

You are innocent until proven guilty in the US. As the highest branch of law enforcement in this country, there is no morally just reason to send out smoke signals suggesting someone is criminally at fault. Your whole job is to prove they are in a court of law when it comes to criminal justice. Comey's letter is a crystal clear sign of partisan motivation. A year from now when Clinton is president and there has been nothing criminal found in any FBI investigation against her, how will the FBI Directors letter to congressional members a week before the election that "hey we just got a hint there might MIGHT be something incriminating against hillary in Weiner's phones" look?

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Lock everyone named up

And Shook Nate Silver too

 

[RPGCrazied]

At home, support whoever the fuck you want. At work, in the FBI don't bring that shit to work. Jesus Christ. You are suppose to be neutral in that kind of job. For all the people my ass.

 

[Corronchilejano]

Five days guys.

 

[shoplifter]

Five days guys.

thank god, except it'll be at least another year of wailing and gnashing of teeth from whichever team loses

 

[Robdraggoo]

Five days guys.

It's too long

 

[TheOfficeMut]

DBI.

Deplorable Bureau of Investigation.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

I've just reconciled myself that Trump will win. I guess its a coping mechanism

 

[George Washington]

I guess I could see how that somewhat lends to 2 separate factions based on party affiliation but it also reads to me like one side is worried the other side is acting partisan and if so I don't see why people who support the same party can't be on the "You guys are acting too partisan" team.

I understand what you're saying and I pray that it's not widespread.

That's exactly what it is. The internal arguments are a result of accusations of the other of being partisan.

But make no mistake, this is about Hillary, not Trump. One side is accusing the other of protecting her for political reasons while the other side is claiming that they're trying to tear her down for political reasons.

In any case, the FBI should just follow their protocols and reach a conclusion based on the facts presented before them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglyFwTjfDU

 

[royalan]

When Comey wrote that letter to Congress, he broke long-standing Department of Justice protocol in a way that had both establishment Democrats AND Republicans calling him out, with only his "wittle feewings " as justification. So enough with the "b-b-but liberals!!!" crap. It was an official from the BUSH WHITE HOUSE who filed an official complaint with the DoJ accusing Comey of violating the Hatch act, for crying out loud. The idea that the FBI is acting in the best interests the country and NOT trying to influence the election is just not deserving of being taken seriously at this point, given everything we've learned.

Comey and the FBI are trying to influence the election. The question is what gets done about that.

Fuck the optics. When Clinton gets in it's time to clean house.

 

[shoplifter]

Comey and the FBI are trying to influence the election. The question is what gets done about that.

So if we take this as fact, that begs the question WHY. It could be pure partisanship, or it could be something else entirely, and the reason could heavily color how we look at the action down the road.

 

[Glix]

So if we take this as fact, that begs the question WHY. It could be pure partisanship, or it could be something else entirely, and the reason could heavily color how we look at the action down the road.

Based on what former colleagues have said about Comey...

I subscribe to the kinda out there belief that someone who wants trump to win has something on him.

Something JEH "I like to wear womens clothes" big.

 

[cress2000]

The Guardian being the voice of reason. Thank you.

 

[TheOMan]

Or it could be because they've had a year-long investigation and are convinced of wrongdoing. Just a guess, but people such as FBI Agents take certain offenses very seriously and would probably not support someone that treats privileged information in a way they perceive to be flippant or reckless.

edit: not saying it can't be Trump's stated support for police, etc., and the increased amount of work for them, but I'd guess if many agents investigating are convinced of wrongdoing that would color their opinions pretty heavily.

So, instead they support an even more corrupt and reckless person? What???

 

[pretty done]

There's nothing more aggravating than an uninformed non-American coming in these threads with the "both sides" bullshit.

I can think of one thing, the Europeans that were hardcore Bernie stans.

 

[tuxfool]

So, instead they support an even more corrupt and reckless person? What???

This comment should put it into context:

There aren't any conspiracy theories. Most in law enforcement are Republican. I work with them on a daily basis and seeing some of them turn red at the "things" Obama does is startling. Terrible conservatives memes and such posted. It goes on and on

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Law enforcement is filled with conservative assholes, that shouldn't shock anyone.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

The fuck. How can people in that sort of job support Trump?

I guess much like Notch, the man can probably do his job like a genius but they can be so fucked politically it's mind boggling.

 

[4Tran]

Hilary won't be able to touch the FBI if she is elected if they are investigating her (which we know they are on at least 2 different matters).

That may be true in normal circumstances, but Comey has given plenty of justification for Clinton to clean the FBI's clock. And it's not as if she needs to worry about the Republicans criticizing her over it.

 

[WedgeX]

Based on experience this is unsurprising. Lots of right leaning people.

 

[JABEE]

And yet he still seems to have quite a bit of support in the FBI for some reason.

Blows my mind

It almost as if the FBI like the CIA are scummy agencies with a history of doing things to protect themselves and strengthen their own standing instead of partisan hackery.

 

[WooHooAlex]

Absolutely unacceptable if this report it true.
Anyone in the FBI letting their political views interfere should be fired immediately.

 

[EMT0]

It almost as if the FBI like the CIA are scummy agencies with a history of doing things to protect themselves and strengthen their own standing instead of partisan hackery.

First Latin America, now the US gets to be subject to the fuckery of these agencies. Watch out now Canada, you're next.

 

[Toxi]

So if we take this as fact, that begs the question WHY. It could be pure partisanship, or it could be something else entirely, and the reason could heavily color how we look at the action down the road.

Like what?

Invisible unicorns?

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Sounds like Obama needs to clean house before he leaves. This type of behavior should not be tolerated.

 

[Eylos]

The exactly same thing happened to the ex-president (a woman too) of brazil. She got impeached she had little support in the congress, and judges and the federal police force leaking things only to show her as someone corrupt, the media liked the idea and we watched it everyday until she got impeached. I think they are trying to copy what happened here.

But Hillary has stronger Support in congress and media, so i think this will not work (i hope).

 

[tuxfool]

The exactly same thing happened to the ex-president (a woman too) of brazil. She got impeached she had little support in the congress, and judges and the federal police force leaking things only to show her as someone corrupt, the media liked the idea and we watched it everyday until she got impeached. I think they are trying to copy what happened here.

But Hillary has stronger Support in congress and media, so i think this will not work (i hope).

The people doing the impeachment were even more corrupt than her. You may be onto something.

 

[excelsiorlef]

So if we take this as fact, that begs the question WHY. It could be pure partisanship, or it could be something else entirely, and the reason could heavily color how we look at the action down the road.

So basically you're assuming Clinton is probably actually a criminal despite no evidence supporting it?

 

[ishibear]

This is that bullshit that pisses me off. The ones trying to paint Hillary as corrupt are projecting. No surprise there.

Clean up time.

 

[iamblades]

Sounds like Obama needs to clean house before he leaves. This type of behavior should not be tolerated.

He should have started over at the IRS when this type of politicization started(though it has always been there to some degree), because once it begins, it can only spread like cancer.

Instead his DOJ has backstopped the IRS, dragging the lawsuits out in the courts even when there was obvious and admitted wrongdoing.

Once you load that gun, you can hardly be shocked when it's turned around on you.

If current trends continue, it's going to be an absolute clusterfuck in the bureaucracy if the courts don't grow some balls when it comes to administrative law and stop citing chevron deference as a means to chicken out of actually judging.

 

[GravityInsanity]

Five days feels like a damn month right now.

 

[pestul]

It is interesting observing all this from Canada. If we had Federal Government departments showing political favouritism such as this up here, there would be a massive uproar. The department would be turned inside out and the director would be instantly fired.

 

[Cipherr]

I have no biases, I dont care ..... all politicians are suspect.

Jesus tapdancing Christ this here is the Quote of the Day.


Unreal....

 

[EatinOlives]

Five days feels like a damn month right now.

Well today's almost over. And weekdays always go by fast. Tuesday doesn't count. It's like two days really. It's like a cup of coffee.

It will go by like that!

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

How easy would it be for Clinton to clean house?

Fucking terrifying that the bureau that is in charge of the most secret, classified matters in the country are filled with such scum.

 

[Ekai]

thank god, except it'll be at least another year of wailing and gnashing of teeth from whichever team loses

If Republicans win there'll be more than that from the millions they want to deport/torture with conversion therapy/people around the world who would suffer under their foreign policy/etc.


And if Democrats win, I suspect an uptick in fascist acts of terror.

 

[RurouniZel]

Five days guys.

And not enough booze in the world to get me through it.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Purge will quietly to happen once Clinton wins. You don't cross them and come out of this unscathed.

 

[broncobuster]

Well today's almost over. And weekdays always go by fast. Tuesday doesn't count. It's like two days really. It's like a cup of coffee.

It will go by like that!

But Friday will have the bombshell that Hillary once ate a grape from Wegmans without paying for it!

 

[kaching]

So if we take this as fact, that begs the question WHY. It could be pure partisanship, or it could be something else entirely, and the reason could heavily color how we look at the action down the road.

Have you not been paying attention to the Republican party's hard veer into absolute, uncompromising obstructionism? They've become nothing but partisan at this point, a post-policy party that throws their own ideas under the bus as soon as someone across the aisle agrees with one of them.

 

[Version 3.0]

But Friday will have the bombshell that Hillary once ate a grape from Wegmans without paying for it!

No. It'll be she might have once done something not actually illegal, but that could look bad if you're suspicious of her in the first place. Under the headline: "More bad news for Hillary".

 

[Cuburt]

How fucked is our country?

Even if Trump's past is way cleaner than it appears and Clinton is corrupt politician people that is as bad as people think she is, how can they justify creating a monster in Trump?

The guy won't even listen to his advisors in his campaign, nor will he even bother to attempt to be more Presidential, and somehow the GOP thinks they will reign him in during his Presidency? It's madness.

Trump will be every bit the war hawk, corrupt politician, etc. that people fear Hillary will be but worse in about 20 other ways and on top of the way more petty and thin skinned as well as incompetent. People are letting partisan politics blind them to the fact that the Republican nominee is a disaster.

 

[olympia]

If true, that makes it even more hilarious that there was no prosecution since apparently the FBI is so culturally pro-Trump. They must have been really pissed they couldn't dig up anything other than incredibly mundane emails. Also, it sucks that there's no source for this other than the Guardian

It is interesting observing all this from Canada. If we had Federal Government departments showing political favouritism such as this up here, there would be a massive uproar. The department would be turned inside out and the director would be instantly fired.

This is not a normal thing. Also there has yet to be any concrete evidence suggesting this outside of the Guardian's source. Although I'd love to see some new evidence to support this claim. Judging by the actions of the FBI in the past days I am inclined to believe it.

 

[tuxfool]

That makes it even more hilarious that there was no prosecution since apparently the FBI is so culturally pro-Trump. They must have been really pissed they couldn't dig up anything other than incredibly mundane emails. Also, it sucks that there's no source for this other than the Guardian

There are multiple sources, the WSJ, Guardian and CNN.

All the stories a slightly different, but they all paint a picture of a highly factional environment.

 

[olympia]

There are multiple sources, the WSJ, Guardian and CNN.

All the stories a slightly different, but they all paint a picture of a highly factional environment.

Link to the WSJ and CNN stories? I can't seem to pick the right Google query.