Gun maker stocks skyrocket after Las Vegas massacre

Guys, I know it's amazing that this guy shot all these people from 32 floors up with an automatic weapon- well now you can have one too! Just put VEGASSHOT in the promo code for a 5% discount!

https://youtu.be/hCCT8JtwQeI

I don't understand the need for a firearm with this power. I never will. Not for target practice, not for feeling it's power in your own hands, definitely not for hunting. If they think these weapons will ensure the Government and Military will never be able to overpower them, they're out of their goddamned minds.

The only way this shit becomes useful is in a lawless, post apocalyptic wasteland, which is also an idiotic chest thumping fantasy.
 
It's funny, I saw another "false flag" accusation on Facebook yesterday, with how this attack was just another attempt at the government taking away all our guns. It's such a stupid theory if these people would just stop and think about it for a second.

There have been how many gun massacres in the US now? And yet there have been no major gun laws put in place.

On the other hand, every single time a massacre occurs, gun sales skyrocket, and I'm sure NRA memberships fly, too.

So why isn't the conspiracy theory that the NRA are performing false flag operations like this to line their pocketbooks?

EDIT - I see Machina had a similar idea.

The most paranoid people are the ones buying the guns, and others know that the gun industry doesn't need a false flag operation. With the hundreds of millions of guns they've put out there, along with repealing amd demonizing every law that may make us safer from gun violence, mass killings are inevitable. We've had over 200 mass shootings this year alone, and you know that of those, some will be high profile enough to freak out their customers.
 
Even gun nuts realize there should be more gun regulations.

Which is why theyve been pushing for it so hard? 70 something percent of NRA members want legislation but are part of an organization that actively goes for the opposite agenda. Maybe if 70 percent of the NRA just quit it that might make a statement. People want their toys, thats it. And its killing us. i wish i could leave this shithole.
 
Which is why theyve been pushing for it so hard? 70 something percent of NRA members want legislation but are part of an organization that actively goes for the opposite agenda. Maybe if 70 percent of the NRA just quit it that might make a statement. People want their toys, thats it. And its killing us. i wish i could leave this shithole.

But then why it's on NRA? I would be more mad at spineless leadership that go full Neo every time topic of gun control comes up and dodge it in every possible way.

Leadership knows people are for stricter gun control, but they decide not to do it.
 
But then why it's on NRA? I would be more mad at spineless leadership that go full Neo every time topic of gun control comes up and dodge it in every possible way.

Leadership knows people are for stricter gun control, but they decide not to do it.

"Leadership" doesnt do anything because they are bought. Americas government has been bought and paid for by corporations for most of my life.
 
Which is why theyve been pushing for it so hard? 70 something percent of NRA members want legislation but are part of an organization that actively goes for the opposite agenda. Maybe if 70 percent of the NRA just quit it that might make a statement. People want their toys, thats it. And its killing us. i wish i could leave this shithole.
I didn't mean to imply they want regulation(although many do), they just know gun control would normally be the end result of a tragedy like this and are covering their own interests by buying more guns.
 
But then why it's on NRA? I would be more mad at spineless leadership that go full Neo every time topic of gun control comes up and dodge it in every possible way.

Leadership knows people are for stricter gun control, but they decide not to do it.
NRA got leadership in their pocketbooks. I mean Steel in this very thread showed that money > lives.
 
I didn't mean to imply they want regulation(although many do), they just know gun control would normally be the end result of a tragedy like this and are covering their own interests by buying more guns.

On the trajectory we are on the end result is that there will be no guns. i think Sandy Hook was the turning point. That proved to me that there is basically no such thing as a responsible gun owner. Their responses to Las Vegas have only supported my conclusion.
 
If 99 percent of the population wanted to ban guns and voted in local and federal elections accordingly, guns would be banned. Stop with the hyperbolic nonsense.
Nope. The majority of gun owners are in favor of some regulation -- more on the side of background checks than weapons bans, naturally, but this issue has nowhere near the hard partisan split the media would have you believe. Throw in the moderates and liberals and that's practically a supermajority. The extremes of the NRA platform, such as the idea that mentally ill people can get guns with ease, is supported by practically no one. The lack of political will in Congress is strictly due to the NRA lobby, whose grassroots movement is limited to a mere several million voters. LWT did an expose on the NRA's wildly disproportionate political power.

The outrage on my part almost isn't that Congress is corrupt -- that's a given -- but just how cheaply they can be bought. The NRA's lobbying amounts to a mere $3 million a year or so. Assuming all the Republicans and a few Democrats on are on the take, that's about 300 Legislators, so doing the math, the GOP is subverting American democracy and defying their duty to represent their constituents for a mere $10,000 a year per crooked politician. I mean. . . what the fuck??

That is not a wildly unmatchable sum for access. The price the NRA pays to sustain these massacres is so staggeringly low it's insulting, unbelievable, shocking. $10k/year is well under what a single full-time employee would make for federal minimum wage. The $3 million total is less than what gamers raised for the Mighty No. 9 Kickstarter FFS. We could probably outbid them for access with some nationwide bake sales and crowdfunding FFS. Can't we at least start a bidding war to raise the cost of corruption here?
 
Happens every time after a mass shooting. And this is why Republicans won't do a damn thing. NRA funds them millions of dollars to stay silent.
 
A little off topic but I actually own and wear a pair of Smith and Wesson tactical boots. They are great for all day wear really no matter where you walk off to. I didn't even know they made boots until I stumbled across them.

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A little off topic but I actually own and wear a pair of Smith and Wesson tactical boots. They are great for all day wear really no matter where you walk off to. I didn't even know they made boots until I stumbled across them.
Glad it worked out for you but I wouldn't recommend wearing boots you stumble across. Might get a nasty case of athlete's foot, or something.
 
"Leadership" doesnt do anything because they are bought. Americas government has been bought and paid for by corporations for most of my life.

NRA got leadership in their pocketbooks. I mean Steel in this very thread showed that money > lives.

So NRA, along with other lobbyist groups, is just symptom of compromised and corrupt leadership. Still it's where I would point my anger and in whom I'm disappointed with, US leadership.

Spineless cunts who talk the talk, but don't take action.
 
So NRA, along with other lobbyist groups, is just symptom of compromised and corrupt leadership. Still it's where I would point my anger and in whom I'm disappointed with, US leadership.

Spineless cunts who talk the talk, but don't take action.

If the entire system wasnt completely corrupted you could do things like threaten to vote them out. As it is now politicians are not afraid of being voted out because public office is nothing more than a stepping stone for a job working for their donors.
 
I am curious, can't ban the sale of guns right? Than ban bullets or regulate bullets. Does that work or is that against the 2nd amendment as well?

There is plenty of scope to ban/restrict guns under the second amendment, the gun lobbies would love everyone to think different though. Bolded being the operative:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Also LOL at the idea of the US constitution being some kind of holy/perfect document that can never be changed anyway.
 
Every fucking person in that crowd could have been a fully armed navy SEAL and the shooter would have still managed to kill a bunch of them. It's way easier to spray bullets into a crowd than it is to shoot one guy hiding on a balcony.

I mean, with a crowd that big in the US, you'd think a fair number of them may have been carrying, right? Did that help at all? Of course not.
 
Anybody else read this title incorrectly? I first interpreted "stocks" as in, "Gun maker now selling skyrocket after Las Vegas massacre"

English is weird.
 
A little off topic but I actually own and wear a pair of Smith and Wesson tactical boots. They are great for all day wear really no matter where you walk off to. I didn't even know they made boots until I stumbled across them.

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Normal, NATO standard army boots! Made in the Netherlands by people that work in humane conditions :), water proof lasts for years and probably one HELL of a lot cheaper than those constructed by a terror supporting company. Had them for years in my teens :). (Goth Phase, don't ask:D).

Just get the NATO standard, it'll be cheaper and just as good.
 
Even gun nuts realize there should be more gun regulations.

From a non-'gun nut' I believe there should be far more regulations around gun ownership.
FFS we have states in the union that require no training or permit to purchase pistols, and long rifles that is fucking absurd to me.

We also have states in the union that allow concealed carry without a permit / training again thats fucking absurd.

The AR platform needs to go the way of full-auto in this country. You do not need it for home or hunting. Are you really going to unload a magazine of .226 / 5.56 in your house!? I hope that there is nobody you love in a room behind the person you hope to hit!

My opinions and purchasing decisions around firearms have changed dramatically over the past 24 hours.
 
A little off topic but I actually own and wear a pair of Smith and Wesson tactical boots. They are great for all day wear really no matter where you walk off to. I didn't even know they made boots until I stumbled across them.

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Yeah, thanks, no. Next you tell me how a trench coat is actually pretty handy.
 
Is the article saying gun sales went way up yesterday or that they are anticipating gun sales going up?

Surely people arent stupid enough to think that a republican dominated government is going to regulate guns?
 
Shares of Smith & Wesson parent American Outdoor Brands finished the day up 3.2 percent while Sturm, Ruger & Co. climbed 3.4 percent. Vista Outdoor, which sells firearms and ammunition, was also selling at higher prices, ending the day up 6.4 percent.

Nothing better than a live demonstration to drum up sales, eh ?
 
If the USA ever had a good image, these last years it has been flushed through the toilet.
And? One of the goals of electing Trump was to make a more insular nation. He's a giant walking middle finger to diplomacy, and his base couldn't care less if Europe was horrified. If anything that's a bonus.

And let's not even pretend it's about Trump; pissing off the rest of the world has been part of the GOP platform for as long as I've been alive. Remember calling the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" back in the Dumbya years and all their hating on Obama for behaving in front of other world leaders with manners?
 
I don't understand the need for a firearm with this power. I never will. Not for target practice, not for feeling it's power in your own hands, definitely not for hunting. If they think these weapons will ensure the Government and Military will never be able to overpower them, they're out of their goddamned minds.

The only way this shit becomes useful is in a lawless, post apocalyptic wasteland, which is also an idiotic chest thumping fantasy.

A lot of people that buy these weapons want this reality.
 
Yeah, thanks, no. Next you tell me how a trench coat is actually pretty handy.

I wouldn't sneer at boots that are designed for military and police use. That shit is designed things like working on your feet all day every day, your feet and ankles needing proper support etc. so they are great for people who work on their feet.

Well designed shoe or boot makes huge difference in your life when you spend most of your days standing and walking.
 
It's almost as if the victim's souls are being funneled directly into Smith & Wesson's bank account.

They know it and they're counting on it every time. How can they not be happy about it at some level.

Maybe I'm being unfair?
 
And relevant article as well:

Gun Industry Executives Say Mass Shootings Are Good for Business

Behind closed doors, speaking with investors and Wall Street analysts, the gun industry views mass shootings as an opportunity to make lots of money.

Ordinary people are despairing about the frequency of tragic events like the murderous rampage in San Bernardino on Wednesday, or the Planned Parenthood massacre last week. And the cycle of mass killing, media frenzy, and political stalemate starts anew each time.

But meanwhile, gun sales continue to break records, a fact that has not gone ignored by financial analysts.

The Intercept reviewed investor transcripts for gun companies, ammunition manufacturers, and sporting stores, and found many instances of industry executives discussing mass shooting incidents and the resulting political dynamics as lucrative.

Here’s how it works. Following a mass shooting, there is talk of gun control, which the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates attack as an assault on the Second Amendment. Notably, gun and ammunition manufacturers often donate, either directly or as a portion of each sale, to the NRA. The fear of losing gun rights leads to panic buying, which brings greater profits to gun retailers, gun companies and their investors.

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03/mass-shooting-wall-st/
 
Why are people members of the NRA when they directly lobby against the apparent wishes of most of their membership?
 
At some point you've gotta come home from your massacre-induced shopping spree, throw your latest haul of firearms and ammo on top of your pile of weapons bought during your last ten spells of regulatory anxiety, and say "...huh."
 
It's fucked up that even gun enthusiasts KNOW deep in their hearts that gun regulation NEEDS to happen. So every time something like this happens they go running to grab more because 'This might be it'.

Fuck Congress bunch of cowards.
 
It's really incredible how gun lobbyists have turned this into a cultural war.

People are so happy to have government regulations ensuring their cars don't fall apart on roads, that their food doesn't poison them, and that their pharmaceuticals don't kill them, but regulating machines specifically made for death is a bridge too far.

I just don't understand why they're so incredibly against tiny changes that could go a long way to prevent stuff like this from happening.

If you buy 42 guns, that should probably raise some red flags, even if it's not illegal. But many people seem to think this is somehow a protection against their government--which would never be the case if the military somehow turned against the people. Especially when the people who are most paranoid of this happening (white males) are actually the least likely to be targeted by any government crackdown.
 
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