Not speaking for the poster but what do you think is the logical conclusion of everyone arming themselves to the teeth?
You're assuming they have to do anything. Do you assume they care more about racism and holding minorities down or about money?
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Not speaking for the poster but what do you think is the logical conclusion of everyone arming themselves to the teeth?
You're assuming they have to do anything. Do you assume they care more about racism and holding minorities down or about money?
I've owned several guns. You must be talking about someone else.
O.v.e.rlord
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I think sig's are now made in the US. My p226 is.
Superkamikaze
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Sorry, "GAF".
People are already armed.
Generalpsyduck
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NRA wins again :/
Frozenprince
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Cindi Mayweather
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Ignore the ignorant idealists and let's talk guns we are going to buy.
kame-sennin
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And hows that working out?
DontBeThatGuy
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Am I wrong about what gun lobbyists want, what gives them power, money and influence? You don't think that has a negative effect on the direction the country goes in, the potential for gun reform, or the exact opposite, more lax gun laws? What's good about any of that?
What exactly does the idea of more and more people becoming MORE comfortable with more guns mean for the future of this country? Does gun culture get worse, does it get easier to get anything done?
(Also, question: Why guns, specifically? You can't think of anything else for self-defense, for home security? Guns, the cause of tens of thousands of deaths every year, is the answer though? Interesting).
Not everybody is onboard with American Democrats' particular philosophy toward gun control. Even if they were, people can and do evolve their views. I'd reckon there's a lot of folk grappling with the need for something different in the light of the previous measures failing.
Miss me with the snark. Your chance to try and speak from moral high ground went out the window November 8th.
Y'all want to make stuff better? Start by not letting guys like Trump get elected.
You didn't answer the question.
BoosterDuck
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I don't think the NRA wants to see minorities walking around with guns
Cindi Mayweather
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You're looking for the Walther PPK.
I advise against revolvers.
I like that but what about something with some beauty to it like a Luger without it actually being a Luger?
Frozenprince
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Browning 1911 is a pretty good bet as well:
Only gotten an opportunity to play with one once but a P30SK:
Lots of handguns with a classic feel to choose from.
Frozenprince
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Ah yes, the people telling you what science on the subject tells us are ignorant.
What a time. This country is coming full circle. The derision of anti-intellectualism that the right rallied around is now the rallying cry of the Left when they lose an election.
I did try. I'm fine trying to continue to talk sense in gun debates. I'm not going to give up my morals over fear. I still remember all the people and children who have lost their lives over senseless gun deaths, that hasn't changed and won't change. Again, how do you think an armed America has worked out so far? Is a gun going to help the black person stopped by the police? Again, take your stance to the logical conclusion and tell me what you come up with.
Cindi Mayweather
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Nigga have you read this thread???
Gaius Cassius
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You're looking for the Walther PPK.
I advise against revolvers.
Nothing wrong with revolvers, it's just a preference thing. There are compact good feeling revolvers, it's just a matter of if you are satisfied with 5 or 6 rounds. Hell, Walter White used a Ruger LCR! If you go the Walther PPK route (James Bond route), think about going 32 auto. Runs a bit better in the weapon from what I've noticed, recoil is tamed a bit too. Just make sure you're loaded with hollow points. Also, not sure if it helps, but Bond used a .32 auto PPK, not .380!
Frozenprince
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Alright then.
Illustrate your feasible plan to remove all guns from the population within 2 years.
Go.
Mammoth Jones
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Thoughts on a Glock? I want something with a ton of parts available and something reliable. Simple.
DontBeThatGuy
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What the fuck even is this shit? Why are you blaming anyone in this thread for Trump getting elected? What the fuck did you do to prevent that, exactly? I've never gone in harder during an election, never donated more money. I did my part, and then some, I assure you.
Trump winning is real good for gun enthusiasts though. So, congrats?
Frozenprince
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I swear by the 18c. Lot of people like the 19 and the 23 but I haven't gotten to handle one so I can't give you an opinion on it. I'm assuming they handle similarly to the 18 though which is beautiful.
Mammoth Jones
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There have been links and books provided that details the need for Black self-defense in America. Go read them.
Seriously. Get off your soap box and buy one of them for your kindle. Actually read them.
Cut this dumb shit out. Do better.
How about you all answer my question I posed first and then I will answer yours. Stop deflecting my questions.
Yes, I even tried to explain to you what science is telling you about your gun ownership.
This is a thread built entirely on emotional reactionism to an election being fueled by posters that in every other thread have shown an utter incapacity to understand the underlying issues surrounding their love of guns. Keep that in mind as you continue down the path of taking their side of the argument.
Step back and think a bit harder on your choices. That is all I am saying. In the low probability encounter of you coming across a white nationalist hellbent on killing you, your increased risk brought on by that gun in all manner of areas, to your person and society at large, makes it hard to even in these dire times conclude that escalation of gun ownership will do more good then harm for minority communities.
If you still come to the conclusion you need a gun, please take a hard look at the pitfalls of gun ownership and not just the gun enthusiasts that give a good spiel on proper gun storage.
Frozenprince
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Negroes with guns will silence anybody who thinks "Nah non-violence holding hands signing kumbaya is the only way we've ever solved anything".
Shit is powerful.
I'm not asking you to buy a gun, friend.
I'm just saying you don't get to elect a white supremacist (you as in America) and then tell minorities how they should or shouldn't protect themselves.
You want to talk some sense into someone? Talk some sense into the neo-Nazi conventions making the news the last few days.
You still didn't answer my question.
Cindi Mayweather
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More this, with that slender shaft.
Frozenprince
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Your question is pointless. "How is that working out for you" is not a question meant to be answered, you're being snarky for no reason because you're trying to take some BS moral high ground.
Honestly? The GOP and the NRA will likely start advocating for gun control.
Sadly, racism is a more tightly held belief than the 2nd Amendment for many.
Frozenprince
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We have already seen the answer to this question.
Gun laws started popping up when minorities began to arm themselves. This isn't conjecture, this is fact.
DontBeThatGuy
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Trump isn't good for gun enthusiasts? For the NRA agenda? You're a member of the NRA, correct?
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Man, I wish we had signatures on GAF. I'd have this as mine.
Those are good points, but the issues you've addressed aren't the reasons why minorities are buying guns. Since Trump's election crimes against minorities have risen, because white nationalists and white supremacists feel emboldened that a candidate that wooed them during his campaign has been elected. They feel less likely that their crimes against minorities will have consequences for them, and so are more likely to commit such crimes. People are arming themselves against bad actors in the community, not the government. (I think JustenP88's mention of police "starting" to shoot black people was ironic.)
Frozenprince
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Mammoth Jones
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Real talk. People wanna gabber about how guns aren't the right choice for Black people in America. And I'm not saying it's the right choice for each and every one of us but I'll be damned I don't have my shotgun loaded w/ 00 buck in my home.
Fuck. That. Shit.
Thanks to racism the "Black" neighborhood is also the "poor" neighborhood so crime is higher than normal. Like some guys randomly got popped and found dead in the street. Usually gang related.
And add the resurgence of White nationalist ambitions? Glad I already have my guns.
DontBeThatGuy
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You haven't answered or said anything worth considering this entire thread. You've simply paraded around paranoia, fear and nonsensically blaming people for Trump getting elected.
Gaius Cassius
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That is a possibility, though unlikely, my friend. The NRA has in the past been responsible for some of the gun laws on the book now, by sponsoring certain bills in decades past.
The NRA is a political animal, yes, but if there are enough new gun owners who are of people of color such as myself filling it's ranks? Then it won't happen.
Mammoth Jones
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You're being condescending and dismissive. Ample precedent has been provided to prove that historically people of color in America have a lot to be worried about with a resurgence of White nationalism.
If you can't or won't recognize that then it just might not be something that affects you to the point of actually giving a shit about those that it does.
Trump is good for White nationalists. Period.
CarpeDeezNutz
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I wonder about how scared these white nationalists would be if they knew how many guns are passed around, guns are traded fast cos of how many bodies are tied to them, nvm the gun show loop hole some clean guns are.
Frozenprince
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You're the one equating literally anybody that purchases or even already owns a gun to NRA members who think anybody and everybody should be able to buy a gun.
Which literally not one single person in this thread has said.
V
Vilix
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I had a broom handle Mauser way back in the day. I miss it.
Frozenprince
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Just read some of the literature posted y'all.
Even if you're not convinced, what's the worst that happens? Your horizons broaden slightly and you gain the ability to see a perspective you hadn't before?
Even if you're not convinced, what's the worst that happens? Your horizons broaden slightly and you gain the ability to see a perspective you hadn't before?
Moon_frogger
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Good. Get your asses to the shooting range too.
Netherscourge
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This election is the best thing to ever happen to the NRA.
Tons of fear and anxiety. They are the biggest reasons for gun sales.
Tons of fear and anxiety. They are the biggest reasons for gun sales.
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