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[Atenhaus]

I'm fucking gutted it took the prospect of a Trump presidency to get people other than white males to look at exercising their Second Amendment rights in an effective manner. I'm hoping this will prompt the left at large to re-examine their views on firearms ownership and carrying concealed.

The ends justify the means, I suppose...

 

[Frozenprince]

This election is the best thing to ever happen to the NRA.

Tons of fear and anxiety. They are the biggest reasons for gun sales.

You do realize the NRA doesn't get a cut of money from every gun sale right?

The NRA only gets stronger if they get more money, people buying guns does not correlate to the NRA getting stronger because the NRA is not a compulsory organization for all gun owners.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

I don't care who purchases a firearm as long as you're responsible. Meaning, don't do dumb shit like leaving a gun on a night stand 24/7.

So you do not know how guns get on the street?

Nvm I am done if we are not as country able to close the gun show loophole then i need to get an uzi or desert eagle.

 

[Frozenprince]

Fuck if anything y'all who want all guns banned should be elated at this revelation. We have decades worth of proof that gun laws are only enacted once minorities start packing.

 

[TaterTots]

So you do not know how guns get on the street?

Is this thread about how guns get on the street or how minorities are flocking to purchase one? Or should I ask, are you trying to call me out for preaching gun safety?

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Have never considered joining them more. Don't even care about it benefiting the NRA, they are far less scary to me than the Republican Nazis currently rising in popularity as the hate crimes they commit skyrocket.

I'm fucking gutted it took the prospect of a Trump presidency to get people other than white males to look at exercising their Second Amendment rights in an effective manner. I'm hoping this will prompt the left at large to re-examine their views on firearms ownership and carrying concealed.

The ends justify the means, I suppose...

Pretty much. My mind's been opened. If they get to stay safe by any means necessary, fuck it, I want that option too.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

This election is the best thing to ever happen to the NRA.

Tons of fear and anxiety. They are the biggest reasons for gun sales.

White supremacists that advocate the murder of minorities is why we there, fam. That goes a bit beyond "oh you just paranoid with fear and anxiety". These mofos have laid out their blueprint. Why shouldn't we believe them given the lessons from history?

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Is this thread about how guns get on the street or how minorities are flocking to purchase one? Or should I ask, are you trying to call me out for preaching gun safety?

I do not know what I am mad about anymore mayne.

 

[Gaius Cassius]

This election is the best thing to ever happen to the NRA.

Tons of fear and anxiety. They are the biggest reasons for gun sales.

I disagree Scourge, if anything it's trouble to the NRA in that their members are going to become somewhat divided. I don't know what will become of that, maybe a 2nd major pro gun rights group? Who knows. It's all speculation at the moment.

 

[Rest]

Yes, I even tried to explain to you what science is telling you about your gun ownership.

Okay, so here's something I'm curious about that maybe you have an answer for. You've stated that people with guns in their homes are more likely to be injured or killed by a gun, and I stated earlier that 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides. When you factor out suicide, as it's self harm, not involving another person, what increase, if any, is there in the chance of harm or death involving have a gun in the home?

 

[Ponn]

I'm not asking you to buy a gun, friend.

I'm just saying you don't get to elect a white supremacist (you as in America) and then tell minorities how they should or shouldn't protect themselves.

You want to talk some sense into someone? Talk some sense into the neo-Nazi conventions making the news the last few days.

It's not about telling minorities what they should or shouldn't buy, its about gun control being good for EVERYONE. There was only one political party willing to really discuss this in any meaningful way and when that party gets splintered on the issue then its all over, its done, there is no discussion possible. I'm always going to be for gun control because i'm tired of reading about kids getting shot every week. And gun manufactures making bank of the blood of them. Call me an idealist if you want for that I don't care.

 

[Kthulhu]

Fuck if anything y'all who want all guns banned should be elated at this revelation. We have decades worth of proof that gun laws are only enacted once minorities start packing.

While I don't want guns banned outright, any regulation would be a thin silver lining to one giant dark cloud.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Fuck if anything y'all who want all guns banned should be elated at this revelation. We have decades worth of proof that gun laws are only enacted once minorities start packing.

They always knew. Hence the snide comments about it. Gun control has always been about keeping Blacks disarmed.

 

[Frozenprince]

I'd also like to point out that, well, yeah, no shit you're more likely to be injured by a gun if you have a fun in your house than if you don't.

That's kinda how things work. I'd imagine that if you have knives just out and about in the open in your house as opposed to not owning any knives at all, you're less likely to be injured by a knife.

 

[cdyhybrid]

It's not about telling minorities what they should or shouldn't buy, its about gun control being good for EVERYONE. There was only one political party willing to really discuss this in any meaningful way and when that party gets splintered on the issue then its all over, its done, there is no discussion possible. I'm always going to be for gun control because i'm tired of reading about kids getting shot every week. Call me an idealist if you want for that I don't care.

You want gun control? Encourage every minority you know to buy a gun. It'll be issue #1 for the government.

Pretty sure most of these new gun owners are for more smart gun regulation. I certainly am.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Am I alone in thinking as a minorty I am losing my mind? This Trump shit is making me uneasy?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It's not about telling minorities what they should or shouldn't buy, its about gun control being good for EVERYONE. There was only one political party willing to really discuss this in any meaningful way and when that party gets splintered on the issue then its all over, its done, there is no discussion possible. I'm always going to be for gun control because i'm tired of reading about kids getting shot every week. And gun manufactures making bank of the blood of them. Call me an idealist if you want for that I don't care.

And that party lost. We're at now, now. You seem to still be on then. But here we are, now.

White nationalism is here. It's back. It's not fucking kidding. So what now?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This election is the best thing to ever happen to the NRA.

Tons of fear and anxiety. They are the biggest reasons for gun sales.

The NRA officially accepts membership from anyone who pays the annual fee. I wonder how they would react if a lot of minority gun owners started joining. They are after all not officially a "whites-only" organization.

 

[Syriel]

And that party lost. We're at now, now. You seem to still be on then. But here we are, now.

White nationalism is here. It's back. It's not fucking kidding. So what now?

+1 for the stealth Spaceballs reference.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

I hate guns and favour very strong gun control legislation.

...POC in America stocking up though? Just can't blame them.

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...anyway, maybe this will lead to stronger gun control legislation.

 

[Frozenprince]

And that party lost. We're at now, now. You seem to still be on then. But here we are, now.

White nationalism is here. It's back. It's not fucking kidding. So what now?

I'll answer that for you.

We do what we've always done.

We gather, we mobilize, we prepare to defend ourselves and we begin anew our fight for equality.

Like always.

 

[Gaius Cassius]

Am I alone in thinking as a minorty I am losing my mind? This Trump shit is making me uneasy?

You're not alone, we are here with you, alot of people.

 

[desertdroog]

For everyone who is afforded the right to exercise the 2nd Amendment and choose to do so with a firearm, please learn and practice the following:

1. Treat all firearms as if they are always loaded.
2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to shoot.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Always be sure of your target and what lies behind it.

Read up on and learn about your local laws for lawful carry, transport and storage. Please take a firearm safety class, this is important! Please regularly practice shooting and cleaning of your firearm. Buy a safe and keep ammunition and firearms away from would be burglars and children.

This is to ensure the rest of us to be as safe as possible with an increase of firearm possession from those who never considered it previously.


And please do visit the Community thread on Firearm Owners

 

[Kthulhu]

Am I alone in thinking as a minorty I am losing my mind? This Trump shit is making me uneasy?

I'm a straight white dude that in all honesty will barely be affected by this and I'm scared. I'm not surprised that some people are suicidal (don't actually commit suicide)

 

[Frozenprince]

For everyone who is afforded the right to exercise the 2nd Amendment and choose to do so with a firearm, please learn and practice the following:

1. Treat all firearms as if they are always loaded.
2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to shoot.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Always be sure of your target and what lies behind it.

Read up on and learn about your local laws for lawful carry, transport and storage. Please take a firearm safety class, this is important! Please regularly practice shooting and cleaning of your firearm. Buy a safe and keep ammunition and firearms away from would be burglars and children.

This is to ensure the rest of us to be as safe as possible with an increase of firearm possession from those who never considered it previously.


And please do visit the Community thread on Firearm Owners

Yep. All of this.

 

[Atenhaus]

If there are any queer gun owners (POC or not) lurking in this thread, and you want to get involved with Second Amendment advocacy that doesn't involve the NRA - take a look at the Pink Pistols. It's an LGBTQIA-focused gun advocacy group that promotes the safe and responsible utilization of your Second Amendment rights.

Remember, *everyone* has the right to defend themselves from harm.

http://www.pinkpistols.org

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

You do realize the NRA doesn't get a cut of money from every gun sale right?

The NRA only gets stronger if they get more money, people buying guns does not correlate to the NRA getting stronger because the NRA is not a compulsory organization for all gun owners.

The NRA gains power through fear, paranoia, propaganda, and people becoming more and more comfortable with guns, and desensitized to this crazy fucking gun issue this country has. That's what they want. They consolidate power in a multitude of ways, and the more that happens, the more push-back you'll get about any kind of reform whatsoever.

You want a slippery slope? Yeah, get real comfortable, tell people to get strapped because they're in grave danger, lets see where that leads.

 

[Frozenprince]

The NRA gains power through fear, paranoia, propaganda, and people becoming more and more comfortable with guns, and desensitized to this crazy fucking gun issue this country has. That's what they want. They consolidate power in a multitude of ways, and the more that happens, the more push-back you'll get about any kind of reform whatsoever.

You want a slippery slope? Yeah, get real comfortable, tell people to get strapped because they're in grave danger, lets see where that leads.

We're already there so. Believe whatever you want.

The NRA is an advocacy group. They gain power through money just like every other advocacy group. That's literally how advocacy groups work.

 

[Jonm1010]

Okay, so here's something I'm curious about that maybe you have an answer for. You've stated that people with guns in their homes are more likely to be injured or killed by a gun, and I stated earlier that 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides. When you factor out suicide, as it's self harm, not involving another person, what increase, if any, is there in the chance of harm or death involving have a gun in the home?

Heres a few to get you started.

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-five-most-important-myths-about-gun-control/

http://www.armedwithreason.com/more...-new-study-finds-dgu-is-ineffective-and-rare/

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/9/1/48.full

If you like easily digestible stuff:
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-united-states-america

And here is a robust database of studies talking about this issue and many others:

http://www.armedwithreason.com/gun-study-database/

 

[Gaius Cassius]

And that party lost. We're at now, now. You seem to still be on then. But here we are, now.

White nationalism is here. It's back. It's not fucking kidding. So what now?

It's not lost, man. Not yet. We still have a chance if we just stick together. There are always going to be those pro gun people that voted trump for economic reasons. Yes you and I may not like it or them, but it happened. When they are let down, and they will be, we have to be there to lead them them the other way. With us people of color, people for responsible gun safety reform as well as them, we will have numbers. We can't just give up.

 

[aeolist]

no way i'm buying a gun but i could see a baseball bat with FUCK NAZIS written on it in my future

 

[TaterTots]

I do not know what I am mad about anymore mayne.

I understand given the times everyone is facing, but I'm trying to say, "be smart" if you do purchase a firearm. Gun safety is important. The last thing I want to see is how a new gun owner was irresponsible and his/her kid found it. I've had enough of that mess. If you buy a gun, buy a safe.

 

[JustenP88]

I missed the part where you were forced to join/donate to the NRA if you purchase a gun.

The NRA thrives off of the advocacy of gun control from the left. People who think the Democratic party needs to keep banging the table in opposition against guns are empowering the NRA more than any minorities interested in buying guns.

 

[TaterTots]

I missed the part where you were forced to join/donate to the NRA if you purchase a gun.

The NRA thrives off of the advocacy of gun control from the left. People who think the Democratic party needs to keep banging the table in opposition against guns are empowering the NRA more than any minorities interested in buying guns.

As a former NRA member, it's cancer imo. They use to preach gun safety at a high level. Now they post videos on Facebook for political reasons. Times have changed and its sad af.

 

[Oscar]

Yeah I'm an American made with Mexican parts in Texas, getting my LTC in two weeks.

Born and raised in Texas for 26 years, never felt the need to strap up until now.

Purchasing a Sig Sauer P226, torn between the 9 and 40.

 

[Rest]

You do realize the NRA doesn't get a cut of money from every gun sale right?

The NRA only gets stronger if they get more money, people buying guns does not correlate to the NRA getting stronger because the NRA is not a compulsory organization for all gun owners.

Actually, lots of gun manufacturers donate to the NRA because it's a powerful lobbying organization.

Really, if you don't like what the NRA stands for, you should join and start writing them letters telling them what you don't want them to do and what you want them to start doing instead. Write the same letters to the manufacturers of any guns you buy and whatever ammunition you prefer. If you read or subscribe to any gun magazines, do the same thing there. Hell, maybe even the manufacturers of accessories you buy.

I see a lot of people say "if you're a person of color don't join the NRA because they only care about white people," but that's just like saying "well I don't like what the government's doing, so in protest I'm not going to vote." Just like voting is your voice in the government, letting the NRA know what you want can be your voice in gun lobbyism. If more minorities tell gun makers and the NRA what's important to them as gun consumers and members, it's more likely that the gun lobby will start taking an interest in pushing for policies that improve the standing of minorities.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

NYT - Black gun owners face a stigma of violence:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/u...eighing-isolation-and-stigma-of-violence.html

 

[Gaius Cassius]

As a former NRA member, it's cancer imo. They use to preach gun safety at a high level. Now they post videos on Facebook for political reasons. Times have changed and its sad af.

Then we have to push for a new major pro gun organization if we have to. What's wrong with doing so?

 

[Akronis]

Yeah I'm an American made with Mexican parts in Texas, getting my LTC in two weeks.

Born and raised in Texas for 26 years, never felt the need to strap up until now.

Purchasing a Sig Sauer P226, torn between the 9 and 40.

9mm. 40 cal you get less power than a .45 and lower cap than a 9mm. Worst of both worlds.

EDIT: fyi for anyone purchasing for home def, 9mm can still overpenetrate pretty easily. From what I've been reading, frangible .223 is the best common home defense cartridge for overpen. PDX1 and similar would be what you want.

 

[Gaius Cassius]

9mm. 40 cal you get less power than a .45 and lower cap than a 9mm. Worst of both worlds.

This. 9mm has improved dramatically in the past 25 years with powder and what not. It is a very good defense cartridge. I would go 9mm, and the buy a 45 at some point just to try it out and see if it's for you.

 

[MogCakes]

I expect new gun control laws targeted at minorities.

 

[Oscar]

9mm. 40 cal you get less power than a .45 and lower cap than a 9mm. Worst of both worlds.

This. 9mm has improved dramatically in the past 25 years with powder and what not. It is a very good defense cartridge. I would go 9mm, and the buy a 45 at some point just to try it out and see if it's for you.

I've fired both extensively at the range and preferred the 9mm, but my "millitary bro" friends that invited me to shoot won't stop preaching about the 40's superior "stopping power". They have me thinking the 9mm won't be able to stop a Clay Matthews sized fella if he's charging at me.

 

[Minamu]

Is it legal in the US to pull out a gun in self-defense, without pulling the trigger, as a response to verbal assault? To minimize the risk of said assault turning actually violent. Let's say I'm being mugged and threatened, or simply feel threatened by someone, and I pull a gun to scare someone to run away, is that okay? It's not like I'd have real intent of shooting someone, unless really attacked.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

And that party lost. We're at now, now. You seem to still be on then. But here we are, now.

White nationalism is here. It's back. It's not fucking kidding. So what now?

White Nationalism never left. They've always held their conventions. They've always held their rallies. They had Breitbart. They had Stormfront.

What exactly do you think is gonna happen here? How does the proliferation of more firearms equal a respectable answer? In a country already sick with it? And literature about what happened 60 years ago isn't cutting it. I mean, I could do the opposite and point you in the direction of why guns are a huge problem, point you in the direction of activists and advocates, families devastated by guns, but you would think common sense wouldn't need a fucking spotlight.

I missed the part where you were forced to join/donate to the NRA if you purchase a gun.

The NRA thrives off of the advocacy of gun control from the left. People who think the Democratic party needs to keep banging the table in opposition against guns are empowering the NRA more than any minorities interested in buying guns.

Ah, yes, liberals should drop the gun issue man. Because evil lobbyists and the politicians in their pockets are winning. What is this shit? So, you gonna tell that to the families of Sandy Hook that, who are desperate for some gun control, or anything at all being done, without fear of being attacked by said lobbyists, or your average gun nut, or conspiracy theorist?

The line of thinking right now is absolute trash. Dems should never stop pushing for something, anything, to be done.

 

[Atenhaus]

Is it legal in the US to pull out a gun in self-defense, without pulling the trigger, as a response to verbal assault? To minimize the risk of said assault turning actually violent. Let's say I'm being mugged and threatened, or simply feel threatened by someone, and I pull a gun to scare someone to run away, is that okay? It's not like I'd have real intent of shooting someone, unless really attacked.

That is considered brandishing a weapon in many places, and is in fact illegal.

 

[Akronis]

Is it legal in the US to pull out a gun in self-defense, without pulling the trigger, as a response to verbal assault? To minimize the risk of said assault turning actually violent. Let's say I'm being mugged and threatened, or simply feel threatened by someone, and I pull a gun to scare someone to run away, is that okay? It's not like I'd have real intent of shooting someone, unless really attacked.

Absolutely not. Drawing implies immediate lethal danger to yourself or another individual. If you draw your weapon, you are firing to kill someone. You never brandish a weapon without intending to kill someone. Ever. You needlessly escalate a situation.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

If there are any queer gun owners (POC or not) lurking in this thread, and you want to get involved with Second Amendment advocacy that doesn't involve the NRA - take a look at the Pink Pistols. It's an LGBTQIA-focused gun advocacy group that promotes the safe and responsible utilization of your Second Amendment rights.

Remember, *everyone* has the right to defend themselves from harm.

http://www.pinkpistols.org

Thank you!

 

[Satch]

More this, with that slender shaft.

i like the second one a lot

 

[Mammoth Jones]

White Nationalism never left. They've always held their conventions. They've always held their rallies. They had Breitbart. They had Stormfront.

What exactly do you think is gonna happen here? How does the proliferation of more firearms equal a respectable answer? In a country already sick with it? And no literature about what happened 60 years ago isn't cutting it. I mean, I could do the opposite and point you in the direction of why guns are a huge problem, point you in the direction of activists and advocates, families devastated by guns, but you would think common sense wouldn't need a fucking spotlight.

The same shit that always happens every time White nationalism gets normalized and emboldened: Black people will be increased targets of violence.

Thank you for not giving a shit about our history. You can go kick rocks with that attitude. Condescending smug Liberal telling the Black people how to feel and respond. The more things change the more they stay the same....

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Is it legal in the US to pull out a gun in self-defense, without pulling the trigger, as a response to verbal assault? To minimize the risk of said assault turning actually violent. Let's say I'm being mugged and threatened, or simply feel threatened by someone, and I pull a gun to scare someone to run away, is that okay? It's not like I'd have real intent of shooting someone, unless really attacked.

I think the whole point of 'Stand Your Ground' laws in some states is to explicitly permit such actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law