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Haha! Creative CEO calls iPod shuffle, "... worse than the cheapest Chinese player."
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Wow, so bitter. Do you ghostwrite for Mallard Fillmore?shantyman said:This is just as true, whether you want to admit it or not:
What I find amusing about the "apple wars" that constantly go on on the internet is everyone knows Apple people are defensive. However, people like to go extra out of their way to bash their products, thus eliciting reactions and 300 reply threads. Why the hell do you think they are defensive?
The point of the picture I posted is why do so many go out of their way to bash Apple? I've never understood it, I really haven't. If it's simply to get a reaction, fine, but at least admit that. What is it about them that provokes such a bad reaction? Is it Apple snobbery? Maybe, but what do you think caused that snobbery in the first place?
The point of the picture I posted is why do so many go out of their way to bash Apple? I've never understood it, I really haven't. If it's simply to get a reaction, fine, but at least admit that. What is it about them that provokes such a bad reaction? Is it Apple snobbery? Maybe, but what do you think caused that snobbery in the first place?
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
I stopped taking this seriously when I read "Creative CEO". What else is he going to say about his main competitor? :lol
Teknopathetic
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"Maybe, but what do you think caused that snobbery in the first place?"
Pretentious justification for dropping boatloads of money on superiorly priced, inferiorly featured products?
Pretentious justification for dropping boatloads of money on superiorly priced, inferiorly featured products?
Tre said:
I'm sure you have (but then again), but I wonder how many of these Apple haters have actually bothered to use/try a product other than the iPod. I was an Apple hater for years (stemming from my nightmare of an experience from owning an old PowerPC) and up until last year wouldn't give Apple a second look. But I kept my mind openned and gave them a try and have been absolutely floored by the results.
Granted, that's the beauty of choice. I choose to have a machine that is more intergrated with the products I use, more seemless in musical media, has a much more stable OS that is NOT prone to viruses. I also chose a machine that cannot play the games that I love so... and that has still yet to be grasped by the majority of websites on the net...
...but my perspective is different considering I also own a PC. I'm not "missing" anything.
Again, Apple computing only consists of 3.5% of the computing market. I like this. Not because it's exclusive, but rather because the Apple Techs have a much higher propensity to fix any of their products software if problems arise. Apple is on top of updates... constantly updating their products software and I like that. I also like the friendly Apple Techs that have helped me 100% of the time that I have had a problem. But this doesn't come for free... the way the products look, the way it's packaged, etc. etc. etc... it costs more. Because their market is so small... of course the products will cost more... especially if people are willing to pay. Are there better deals? Abso-fucking-lutely... but simply put... Apple products have a certain niche market. I, as well as other, fit into this market.
Regardless... this thread should not have gone down the road of Apple products, but rather, simply, the Shuffle. Those looking for the HR with the Shuffle are looking at the wrong product... plain and simple. The Shuffle is for someone who wants no frills music, with decent capacity, at an affordable price. Jobs promised nothing else. If you want a screen and want to pay for one (giving away capacity, style.. etc.) by all means do that. I don't need a screen. I don't need FM tuner. And I certainly don't need to deal with Creative products.
If anything... this will cause a lot more competition in the flash market... and I welcome that. Hey, I like choice.
Tre said:
When I was in the market for an MP3 player (over two years ago), I looked at other options. In my opinion, the Ipod was best. I thought about a creative player but I found the interface extremely lacking (this was the first Zen Jukebox iirc). How is this pretentious justification?
Lately my needs have changed. I specifically want something I can exercise with, and at the same time have realized that I honestly don't need massive storage. The shuffle is perfect for me. I don't listen to FM radio (personally I am of the opinion that there is anot a single worthy radio station in the Cincinnati area that is worth my time, but that is another story), and the lack of a screen is not a big deal to me. But to any Apple hater I am an idiot who shel;ls out for the Apple name. Never mind that I like iTunes and I want my player to work with that seamlessly first and foremost.
I am (obviously) a Mac user, and I appreciate the fact that shit works. My brother got an Ipod Mini for Xmas, and it took several reboots to get it to work properly on his PC. In my opinion, that sucks. These are all valid reasons, but instead people pretend Mac users have to justify what they buy to "look cool." I just do not understand the bitterness.
PS: It is amusing the first post in this thread quoted something from an obviously Pro Apple point of view.
mightynine said:
Let me put it this way...I care a hell of a lot more about setting up my playlists, finding specific single tracks to play and setting up various options within the player with the aid of a screen, then the outward appearance of my player being white, electric blue or neon pink. Why player appearance is ranked high by people ahead of basic functionality is beyond me, but whatever.
And I'm not sure what you mean by the price point, but there are several players that offer what Shuffle does (and more) for the same price or less.
shantyman said:This is just as true, whether you want to admit it or not:
:lol That might well be true, but I honestly don't care about Apple enough to even dislike them, much less hate them (though being an Amiga fanboy, maybe I should :lol). The Shuffle is my only beef...well, that and the people who have glowing green iPods stuck up their asses that defend it. :lol
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Well, hell, I'm starting to feel pretty dumb right now. Before Christmas I bought a Sandisk 256MB flash player for $80 for the purpose of playing audiobooks while I exercise. All I needed was straight-through play with a resume function. Here comes a 512MB iPod shuffle for $99, which would have more than suited my needs for the right price. I like to rip on Apple products because they usually don't fulfill my needs, nor are they generally a decent value compared to products I compare them to, but in this case neither of those would have been issues. Consider me chastened, just this once.
Exactly. The ZNH600D is big, the shuffle is tiny. It's not the same thing.
It seems you guys say the Creative players are better because they have more features. That by itself does not make a better player. I won't use any of that stuff on there as I mentioned before, so why would I buy it? Seriously, will you use all that stuff or is it the "mine is bigger than yours!" syndrome?
It seems you guys say the Creative players are better because they have more features. That by itself does not make a better player. I won't use any of that stuff on there as I mentioned before, so why would I buy it? Seriously, will you use all that stuff or is it the "mine is bigger than yours!" syndrome?
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Willco said:
Still a savings of $8 for people who only want to play some of their music on the treadmill or something. That thing is pretty big, so I imagine the shuffle would sell over that thing based on size and cost alone
In addition to that, most people don't like having to bargain and then feel ripped off later when they find it for cheaper. The price at the Apple store is the best they're gonna find for it without going to ebay.SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Apple will be the ones laughing all the way to the bank.
Fact: If you think the iPod Shuffle is a bad idea, it is quite likely you are outside its intended market (or you're the CEO of one of Apple's competitors).
Fact: If you think the iPod Shuffle is a bad idea, it is quite likely you are outside its intended market (or you're the CEO of one of Apple's competitors).
Manabanana said:Still a savings of $8 for people who only want to play some of their music on the treadmill or something. That thing is pretty big, so I imagine the shuffle would sell over that thing based on size and cost alone
It's pretty big?
... Are you retarded!?!
Winged Creature
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dem said:
couldnt have said it better
Manics said:
Yes, because responding to a post about the MuVo is a jihad! Nice one!
And so everyone knows, the Creative MuVo N200 dimensions are as follows:
1.32" x 2.58" x 0.51"
Weight: 0.8 oz.
iPod shuffle dimensions:
3.3" x 0.98" x 0.33"
Weight: .78 oz.
... Yes, so the MuVo is huge! Wow, it's a MONSTER.
Winged Creature
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well the hi-md's do store 1 gig of music
I hate to say this here but...I'm seriously considering getting an iPod Shuffle. And aren't really considering any other players.
I tend to live by iTunes. I only have 1000 songs, so I have no use for an iPod proper, and anyone who buys an iPod Mini is insane. But, I tend to have iTunes on all the time (It's on now) and would like to be able to take parts of that iTunes library (A combination of MP3s and raiding my brother's album collection) around with me on trips, etc. I don't care about an FM Tuner, I don't care about extra features. For me, I want a cheap way to be able to take my iTunes library on the road at an inexpensive price and with as little hassle as possible. I could put together weekly playlists, put them on shuffle (I tend to do this anyways) and then just enjoy the music.
Sure, it's cool. But the functionality of the unit is what draws me towards it. Sorry, folks.
I tend to live by iTunes. I only have 1000 songs, so I have no use for an iPod proper, and anyone who buys an iPod Mini is insane. But, I tend to have iTunes on all the time (It's on now) and would like to be able to take parts of that iTunes library (A combination of MP3s and raiding my brother's album collection) around with me on trips, etc. I don't care about an FM Tuner, I don't care about extra features. For me, I want a cheap way to be able to take my iTunes library on the road at an inexpensive price and with as little hassle as possible. I could put together weekly playlists, put them on shuffle (I tend to do this anyways) and then just enjoy the music.
Sure, it's cool. But the functionality of the unit is what draws me towards it. Sorry, folks.
mightynine
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Other players don't have iTunes support. Which is a main selling point for any iPod.
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I find it more of a hinderance but meh.mightynine said:
It's funny how so many people here (and other tech-savvy forums) are hating the Shuffle for it's lack of features when i'm sure the people who buy it will love it for it's simplicity. Some of this is really a lack of features compared to other players, and some of it comes down to design.
The success of the iPod (and Apple's i-series of hardware in general) was due largely in part to the fact that it doesn't look like a traditional piece of technology. The Shuffle furthers this and could easily be worn on the arm and someone not in the know wouldn't what it was. Apple's succeeded in marketing these as lifestyle items and not technology items, something which appeals to a much broader audience that is ultimately afraid or just disinterested in technology that even attempts to look involved. i doubt the majority of them really see something like on-the-fly playlist creation or line inputs as an advantage for other players over the iPod.
i personally wouldn't get one as i'm content with my PDA seeing as how i have little time to listen to portable music. But if i were looking at an MP3 player, the iPod would be the model to beat given its scroll wheel and size.
The success of the iPod (and Apple's i-series of hardware in general) was due largely in part to the fact that it doesn't look like a traditional piece of technology. The Shuffle furthers this and could easily be worn on the arm and someone not in the know wouldn't what it was. Apple's succeeded in marketing these as lifestyle items and not technology items, something which appeals to a much broader audience that is ultimately afraid or just disinterested in technology that even attempts to look involved. i doubt the majority of them really see something like on-the-fly playlist creation or line inputs as an advantage for other players over the iPod.
i personally wouldn't get one as i'm content with my PDA seeing as how i have little time to listen to portable music. But if i were looking at an MP3 player, the iPod would be the model to beat given its scroll wheel and size.
God's Hand
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The Shuffle lacks features that models already saturating the market include at a much lower cost. In other words, it's yet another overpriced/overhyped Apple product that will appease the elitist followers while marketing cleverly masks the fact that it's a tampon that plays music "the way you want it". No matter how shitty it is, it carries the cult's logo, therefore criticism is unacceptable.
Wow, thanks Apple. You understand me as a person. I am an individual. Thank you for being the only company to give me the freedom to shuffle my music if I want. I will saunter amongst my colleagues at work, proudly wearing this beautifully designed USB keychain around my neck. Apple, you are the greatest company, and the only one that understands me.
Stupid fucking whacko nutjobs who fall for this shit. I hate you so much.
Wow, thanks Apple. You understand me as a person. I am an individual. Thank you for being the only company to give me the freedom to shuffle my music if I want. I will saunter amongst my colleagues at work, proudly wearing this beautifully designed USB keychain around my neck. Apple, you are the greatest company, and the only one that understands me.
Stupid fucking whacko nutjobs who fall for this shit. I hate you so much.
I'm going to BestBuy tomorrow to purchase the iPod Shuffle, and I don't really don't give a fuck over what some elitist internet geek thinks about that. Do I care that Creative's product can make coffee and do a million other things?
No.
I just think the shuffle is fucking sweet and useful for when I'm running or in class. Do I need a damn display for 100 some odd songs?
No.
And I find it hilarious that Tre` of all people is criticizing people for dropping "bucketloads" of money on products thus rendering them "pretentious" -- this coming from a guy who'll spend ridiculous amont of money on wack ass shoes and hats to look "cool."
Pot, meet keetle.
No.
I just think the shuffle is fucking sweet and useful for when I'm running or in class. Do I need a damn display for 100 some odd songs?
No.
And I find it hilarious that Tre` of all people is criticizing people for dropping "bucketloads" of money on products thus rendering them "pretentious" -- this coming from a guy who'll spend ridiculous amont of money on wack ass shoes and hats to look "cool."
Pot, meet keetle.
Freestyler
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Incognito said:
:lol
You are my hero.
Teknopathetic
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:sigh:, I shouldn't, but what the hell.
""bucketloads" of money on products thus rendering them "pretentious" -- this coming from a guy who'll spend ridiculous amont of money on wack ass shoes and hats to look "cool.""
It's funny you mention this, considering you paid 100 dollars for a pair of turd brown sand blasted jeans and had nerve to pimp those moon boots known as Kobe IIs.
""bucketloads" of money on products thus rendering them "pretentious" -- this coming from a guy who'll spend ridiculous amont of money on wack ass shoes and hats to look "cool.""
It's funny you mention this, considering you paid 100 dollars for a pair of turd brown sand blasted jeans and had nerve to pimp those moon boots known as Kobe IIs.
Let me save you Shuffle fans some money, at least if there's an Apple store near you with the Shuffle in stock. Go to the Apple store, take a student ID if you're a student, and fill this survey out: http://www.apple.com/retail/feedback/. Print out the accompanying coupon and, congratulations the 512MB Shuffle now costs you $89 and the 1GB Shuffle costs you $139 (with the education discount + coupon). You can also use the education discount on Apple's online store to shave $10 off the 1GB model; there is no discount of the 512MB model. Also, the TV marketing campaign begins this week so if you're going to get one soon, now's the time, before demand goes even further through the roof.
No display? For a gig of music? Uhm what?
edit: "Daily gridlock feels less mundane when you dont know what song will play next. iPod shuffle adds musical spontaneity to your life. Lose control. Love it."
OH MY GOD PLEASE TELL ME THEY'RE NOT USING THAT AS THE SELLING POINT, THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED
edit: "Daily gridlock feels less mundane when you dont know what song will play next. iPod shuffle adds musical spontaneity to your life. Lose control. Love it."
OH MY GOD PLEASE TELL ME THEY'RE NOT USING THAT AS THE SELLING POINT, THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED
JoshuaJSlone
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Look, when I'm running through my jam-packed daily routine, I don't have time to do any of that fancy "playlist making" or "looking at a screen" or "selecting a song", or whatever other useless features you want to recommend for $5 more!Sho Nuff said:
I'm in the market for a 1GB flash player, what are my options and what do people think is the best? Price is my main concern, with audio quality/output being next. A requirement is that the flash player can exist as a USB thumbdrive as well.
Now I know the iPod Shuffle suits my needs for $140 (student discount).
What do other companies have to offer?
Now I know the iPod Shuffle suits my needs for $140 (student discount).
What do other companies have to offer?
First impressions mean a lot. The first thing that the public saw from Creative wasn't very good- I think we can all agree on this point. Creative has been very, very spontaneous on GOOD mp3 players, and the public has seen this. Take the iPod, on the other hand. Over a period of, what, four years Apple has made the iPod a household name, synonymous with mp3 player. People buy on reliance, something that Apple has a surplus of and something that Creative sorely lacks.
Also, many more-conscious consumers might hear this baseless ad hominem attack on Apple and see Creative as a bitter company getting in a few shots as they lose the battle.
Also, many more-conscious consumers might hear this baseless ad hominem attack on Apple and see Creative as a bitter company getting in a few shots as they lose the battle.
JoshuaJSlone
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The Lexar Jumpgear 1 GB can be had for $119, can swap storage media, and has a display. However, it also takes 2 AAA batteries.rastex said:
Any other decent suggestions? I've got a friend who I know would like a more feature-filled player, but for the $99 cost and lack of knowledge about the alternatives he's seriously considering a Shuffle.
Me, until they either get absurdly cheap or get to be Winamp-like expandable so it can play many different formats other than WMA and MP3, I think I'll hold off.
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