Weird, I don't get the option. Googled it. Apparently it's a glitch a few others have had too. Luckily I was able to manually select the last mission I did and carry on.
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Halo 4 |OT| Spartans Never Die
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Weird, I don't get the option. Googled it. Apparently it's a glitch a few others have had too. Luckily I was able to manually select the last mission I did and carry on.
Funny, I managed to get a mantis earlier with it. I couldn't get behind it in time to plant a grenade initially, so I 'hid' under his legs and then leapt on his back the first opportunity. Would have probably been dead if he'd had the presence of mind to hit melee.
Don't have a primary. I use my topmost one as "Variable" since I change it so often. Hell I could use more but my most used (for KotH) is "CQC":
Suppressor (or other Automatic weapon, but this recently)
Boltshot
Pulse Grenade
Regeneration Field
Mobility
Dexterity
General load out "Blitz":
DMR
Magnum
Frag Grenades
Thruster Pack
Mobility
Dexterity
how is Stability? does it break the game or is it barely noticeable? it's the only specialization perk that i was worried about.
Blue Ninja
Member
Blue Ninja
Member
Damn, this game can still kick my ass on Heroic. It's definitely tougher than the previous ones. I tried closing the hangar doors on Mission 8 more quickly but got fucking mowed down every single time.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Pretty much the only thing that sucks about camo is when that player has the sniper.
It is glaringly OP at that point but if they just have a DMR it isn't too hard to take them down even if they get the first shot off because most of them still stay crouched and barely move.
Not like you have to try to hit a moving target.
It is glaringly OP at that point but if they just have a DMR it isn't too hard to take them down even if they get the first shot off because most of them still stay crouched and barely move.
Not like you have to try to hit a moving target.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
This is my exact one, except with frags.
That was definitely one of my favorite encounters. I like having a balance between a race against time and actually playing it safe to push you out of your comfort zone. Compare it to clearing the hangars on Cairo Station and it's a whole world of difference.
Edit: I've got three different load outs depending on range. Midrange is
Carbine
Boltshot
Frags
Shielding
Dexterity
Prom Vision
For CQC I choose AR and human pistol, BtB DMR and plasma. Dont see the need for firepower considering I can get the kill I need to grt a ranged weapon pretty easily.
NullPointer
Member
My main right now is called One Man Army (BTB Slayer and Spartan Ops)
DMR
Assault Rifle
Plasma Grenades
Hologram
Firepower
Ammo
Also have a similar build with Awareness instead, and another with Promethean Vision considering the uptick in camo users lately. The only problem with my OMA loadout is sometimes I do feel that lack of a plasma pistol.
Blue Ninja
Member
Yeah, but getting gunned down by Covenant got old quick. Evading and jumping into oblivion got old even quicker. :lol I just didn't feel like sitting through nineteen waves of enemies, but ended up taking about as much time, anyway.
Speaking of that mission, though: there's some cool stuff hidden in that level. In the room where you fight the Hunters there's a lot of Forerunner artifacts including
Gamma Halo's activation index
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
My main loadout is as follows:
DMR
Plasma Pistol
Frags
Prom vision
Shielding
Dexterity
My other most used loadout is called Cleanup works great on exile, can sit in banshee spawn and pretty much hold that position all game.
DMR
AR
Frags
Prom vision
Firepower
Explosives
DMR
Plasma Pistol
Frags
Prom vision
Shielding
Dexterity
My other most used loadout is called Cleanup works great on exile, can sit in banshee spawn and pretty much hold that position all game.
DMR
AR
Frags
Prom vision
Firepower
Explosives
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Depends on the map, if playing Haven a well placed grenade and Dexterity can go a long way to get getting an over kill.
On larger BTB maps I can see it being kinda useless, rare you have several enemies directly in front of you.
NullPointer
Member
noob-tubers?
Got my first PV build setup last night and the very first kill was somebody sitting in longbow center base with a gravity hammer, waiting for the easy kill. Justice was swift, brutal, and sooooo goood.
Steelyuhas
Member
I disagree. I keep get told how much tougher it was and Tashi even recommended playing on Normal (lol what a BK), but I found Heroic to be very easy. Only died a few times.
Spartan Ops on the other hand, has some insanely nasty encounters.
Might as well cross-post this here since we have two threads for god knows what reason:
Halo Reach changed this slightly. You could influence the match by choosing what you spawn with. At first Bungie acted like this was going to be a big deal in Reach but in the end only Invasion really used to a great extent. Outside of that playlist most loadouts only differed in what AA you would spawn with. Even this, though, caused some annoyances on my part. You couldnt predict what type of AA chose at spawn which lead to frustrating moments like people suddenly going into Armor Lock, going invisible out of nowhere or getting up to places with the Jetpack which you couldnt practically predict. Luckily these annoyances were relatively rare as most people chose for sprint most of the time so in most cases you knew what you were up against. Then as time went on more and more AAs were removed from certain playlists making them less and less of an issue. Sure, the AAs themselves were still very obnoxious at times, but thats another issue entirely. In terms of predictability Reach wasnt all that bad (lol bloom).
Halo 4, however, takes all of this a step further: it allows you to completely determine what kinds of weapons, AAs and even perks you spawn with. You could be going up against someone with an automatic rifled, precision rifle, a mini-shotgun, a plasma pistol, a headshot capable secondary, most of the time you dont find out until youre already in a battle with him. Then take into account the AAs and perks and it turns the game into an inconsistent mess. Just like in Reach people can go invisible, they can dash away, they can be (sort of) invincible, all at the press of a button, without warning. But even there was a clear visual indication of what kind of AA or perk someone has it wouldnt be enough. By the time you find this out you could be screwed over by it already.
Then theres the global ordnance drops. 343 said previously that its implemented to prevent people from camping at certain areas on the map waiting for a power weapon to spawn, but I doubt this is their real reasoning. It most likely has more to do with bad and inexperienced players not knowing where and when everything spawns and them getting killed numerous times by players who did put effort into getting to know all this. To prevent this they shrank the gap between the two groups and made it so its practically impossible to consistently predict where weapons spawn. I feel like global ordnance ruins the flow of matches. Where in previous Halo games you could set up goals mid-match of getting a certain weapon, or prevent the other team from getting one, thats gone now. People mostly just run around the map looking for people to kill and every now and then move towards a waypoint that appeared on the map somewhere. Theres much less direction to a match than previously and it makes everything feel a bit sloppy and uncontrolled.
Personal ordnance drops are probably a worse offender than the global system, though. Its only in a few playlist but I still think its worth mentioning because I really dont want 343 to take it a step further with it. Next thing you know the personal ordnance system has evolved its way into all playlist as a basic feature in Halo 5. The problem with the system, again, is that its not predictable. Both in terms of predicting when someone else will get it and what kind of weapon that person will get. Numerous times in (Big Team) Infinity Slayer I would get killed by a power weapon which I could not have seen coming in any sort of practical way. Someone could let a Sniper or Binary Rifle drop in and kill you before you even knew that kind of weapon was on the map. It results in many frustrating moments throughout every match. Overall Ive been doing quite well in Halo 4 but even just dying a few times because of things that I couldnt possible predict can ruin a match for. I can go 20 in 5 and feel annoyed because a guy pulled a Incineration Cannon out of his ass when I ran around the corner. How can I anticipate something like that?
Every one of these aspects cause the game to be unfairly unpredictable in my eyes and results in me feeling screwed over by the game mechanic and systems, rather than being outplayed by the player that killed me. Its the same reason why I stopped playing Call of Duty. At a certain point during MW2 I got tired of getting taken down by predator missiles off spawn and sold it.
With Halo 4 I just dont have the patience anymore. 343 is clearly taking the franchise into a direction that I heavily dislike and I dont see any patches, title updates or matchmaking updates fixing the biggest issues I have with the game. Even if so itll probably only available in a single playlist which simply isnt enough for me. I want a game that isnt completely designed around things that I dont like.
And lets not forget all the issues that the game has aside from this big issue with predictability.
I could go on and on about the numerous big issues that Halo 4 has (Which I did) but Ill keep it to this for now.
So yeah, I kept playing Reach for a long time (Mainly because zero bloom, Forge map testing, and Team Objective pooping) and you wont find me saying that its a better game than Halo 4, but at its core Halo Reach is more Halo to me than Halo 4 is. Reach was annoying enough at times, but Halo 4 takes this a step further and I simply cant enjoy it anymore. Ill admit: Reach was mostly fun because trueskill didnt work properly as a result of the low population number of the playlists that I played in. Ive played a shitload of Team Objective and Squad Slayer simply because whenever we went into those playlist as a team, 90% of the time we would go incredibly positive and absolutely destroy the other team. MLG (0% bloom, no sprint) was the only competitively viable playlist in Reach and it was the only playlist that was fun to play in against good players, but sadly not many people on my friendslist played it regularly so I stuck to beating up bad players.
Trueskill in Halo 4 does seems to work better, (I definitely got better opposition towards the end) but ironically enough this actually made the game less fun for me. Both Reach (MLG aside) and Halo 4 are not competitively sound in my eyes so actually playing it against good players isnt fun at all. This is because I feel like I get killed often not because the other player is that great, but because some aspects of the game are flawed. Bloom in Reach is a good example of this. Sometimes I would get killed because my opponents just spammed his DMR and got a lucky headshot, just like Ive done to my enemies numerous times. It feels unfair.
Im tired of hoping for that matchmaking update, that TU, that next game that will make most of what I want in Halo a reality. Halo has lost most of the aspects that appealed to me the most and what made the franchise stand out for me so I bid it farewell, for the time being at least.
The biggest issue I have with Halo 4 is that it's not as predictable as previous Halo games, including Reach to a lesser extent. Halos multiplayer to me has always been about its simplicity. There are two teams who all being on an even playing field who are placed on a map and whoever plays the best during a match will win. The end result is only influenced by what the players do during a game, nothing else.
Halo Reach changed this slightly. You could influence the match by choosing what you spawn with. At first Bungie acted like this was going to be a big deal in Reach but in the end only Invasion really used to a great extent. Outside of that playlist most loadouts only differed in what AA you would spawn with. Even this, though, caused some annoyances on my part. You couldnt predict what type of AA chose at spawn which lead to frustrating moments like people suddenly going into Armor Lock, going invisible out of nowhere or getting up to places with the Jetpack which you couldnt practically predict. Luckily these annoyances were relatively rare as most people chose for sprint most of the time so in most cases you knew what you were up against. Then as time went on more and more AAs were removed from certain playlists making them less and less of an issue. Sure, the AAs themselves were still very obnoxious at times, but thats another issue entirely. In terms of predictability Reach wasnt all that bad (lol bloom).
Halo 4, however, takes all of this a step further: it allows you to completely determine what kinds of weapons, AAs and even perks you spawn with. You could be going up against someone with an automatic rifled, precision rifle, a mini-shotgun, a plasma pistol, a headshot capable secondary, most of the time you dont find out until youre already in a battle with him. Then take into account the AAs and perks and it turns the game into an inconsistent mess. Just like in Reach people can go invisible, they can dash away, they can be (sort of) invincible, all at the press of a button, without warning. But even there was a clear visual indication of what kind of AA or perk someone has it wouldnt be enough. By the time you find this out you could be screwed over by it already.
Then theres the global ordnance drops. 343 said previously that its implemented to prevent people from camping at certain areas on the map waiting for a power weapon to spawn, but I doubt this is their real reasoning. It most likely has more to do with bad and inexperienced players not knowing where and when everything spawns and them getting killed numerous times by players who did put effort into getting to know all this. To prevent this they shrank the gap between the two groups and made it so its practically impossible to consistently predict where weapons spawn. I feel like global ordnance ruins the flow of matches. Where in previous Halo games you could set up goals mid-match of getting a certain weapon, or prevent the other team from getting one, thats gone now. People mostly just run around the map looking for people to kill and every now and then move towards a waypoint that appeared on the map somewhere. Theres much less direction to a match than previously and it makes everything feel a bit sloppy and uncontrolled.
Personal ordnance drops are probably a worse offender than the global system, though. Its only in a few playlist but I still think its worth mentioning because I really dont want 343 to take it a step further with it. Next thing you know the personal ordnance system has evolved its way into all playlist as a basic feature in Halo 5. The problem with the system, again, is that its not predictable. Both in terms of predicting when someone else will get it and what kind of weapon that person will get. Numerous times in (Big Team) Infinity Slayer I would get killed by a power weapon which I could not have seen coming in any sort of practical way. Someone could let a Sniper or Binary Rifle drop in and kill you before you even knew that kind of weapon was on the map. It results in many frustrating moments throughout every match. Overall Ive been doing quite well in Halo 4 but even just dying a few times because of things that I couldnt possible predict can ruin a match for. I can go 20 in 5 and feel annoyed because a guy pulled a Incineration Cannon out of his ass when I ran around the corner. How can I anticipate something like that?
Every one of these aspects cause the game to be unfairly unpredictable in my eyes and results in me feeling screwed over by the game mechanic and systems, rather than being outplayed by the player that killed me. Its the same reason why I stopped playing Call of Duty. At a certain point during MW2 I got tired of getting taken down by predator missiles off spawn and sold it.
With Halo 4 I just dont have the patience anymore. 343 is clearly taking the franchise into a direction that I heavily dislike and I dont see any patches, title updates or matchmaking updates fixing the biggest issues I have with the game. Even if so itll probably only available in a single playlist which simply isnt enough for me. I want a game that isnt completely designed around things that I dont like.
And lets not forget all the issues that the game has aside from this big issue with predictability.
- Flinch is a annoying more than anything, especially considering that you have to zoom in more often because of the size of the maps. Sure, descoping was annoying at times but I liked the dynamic of the mechanic, especially during battles at medium range. I also dont see how flinching gives people a better chance to fight back if you get pinged in BTB. You still get ripped to shreds before you have a proper chance to fight back.
- Active Camo. It simply doesnt work in any way as an Armor Ability. 343 had the perfect opportunity to turn it into a power-up again via the personal ordnance system but didnt for some reason.
- Jetpack. Aside from it breaking the layout of most maps, it simply isnt fun fighting against them. The movement of jetpackers simply isnt predictable enough in my opinion. When you run around a corner you have your reticle at head level because thats where most people will be. With the jetpack that positions people can be at increases exponentially making it very frustrating to fight against.
- Promethean Vision. Sure, it doesnt have such an immediate effect as some of the other AAs, but it can make the game slow down to a crawl, more so than the radar ever did. It also shrinks the awareness skillgap since people can see where people are, what direction theyre facing and heading, and even what kind of weapon theyre wielding.
- The Boltshot. Its a shotgun that you can spawn with. I used it all the time and Ill admit that I enjoyed doing so, but its pretty broken.
- The campaign. Im not going to do a big write-up about this but Ill just say that is was pretty underwhelming. The storytelling was particularly poorly done, gameplay was dull and the levels felt restricted compared to Halo 3. Why, after two games, we still havent gone back to the scale of that game I will never understand.
- Forge. In several ways a step back from Reachs variant. Overall, the objects are less useful than in Reach, precision placement is gone, and Impact, Ravine and Erosion are less flexible than Forge World ever was. Even the better lighting introduces several issues like it making enclosed maps look bland and it sometimes glitching out when the amount of objects on a map gets too high.
- Spartan Ops. I hoped this mode would give us challenging, more specific types of co-op missions it gave us something entirely different. A mode where you mindlessly kill hordes of Covenant and Prometheans (both of which arent that fun to fight), with an infinite amount of lives, reused and seemingly random environments, a lackluster story (during the missions), no customization and no theater is what we got instead.
I could go on and on about the numerous big issues that Halo 4 has (Which I did) but Ill keep it to this for now.
So yeah, I kept playing Reach for a long time (Mainly because zero bloom, Forge map testing, and Team Objective pooping) and you wont find me saying that its a better game than Halo 4, but at its core Halo Reach is more Halo to me than Halo 4 is. Reach was annoying enough at times, but Halo 4 takes this a step further and I simply cant enjoy it anymore. Ill admit: Reach was mostly fun because trueskill didnt work properly as a result of the low population number of the playlists that I played in. Ive played a shitload of Team Objective and Squad Slayer simply because whenever we went into those playlist as a team, 90% of the time we would go incredibly positive and absolutely destroy the other team. MLG (0% bloom, no sprint) was the only competitively viable playlist in Reach and it was the only playlist that was fun to play in against good players, but sadly not many people on my friendslist played it regularly so I stuck to beating up bad players.
Trueskill in Halo 4 does seems to work better, (I definitely got better opposition towards the end) but ironically enough this actually made the game less fun for me. Both Reach (MLG aside) and Halo 4 are not competitively sound in my eyes so actually playing it against good players isnt fun at all. This is because I feel like I get killed often not because the other player is that great, but because some aspects of the game are flawed. Bloom in Reach is a good example of this. Sometimes I would get killed because my opponents just spammed his DMR and got a lucky headshot, just like Ive done to my enemies numerous times. It feels unfair.
Im tired of hoping for that matchmaking update, that TU, that next game that will make most of what I want in Halo a reality. Halo has lost most of the aspects that appealed to me the most and what made the franchise stand out for me so I bid it farewell, for the time being at least.
NullPointer
Member
People who actually like Halo 4 post here ;P That other thread is just some depressing group therapy.
It's a post explaining why I dislike aspects of Halo 4. This is a Halo 4 thread. Deal with it.
And I spend at least 20 minutes writing it. I want my money's worth god dammit.
How about you just respond to the contents of a post for once and add to the discussion.
i think the gaming side thread was a little too positive for him.
electricpirate
Member
Currently I'm rotating between three builds.
All around
DMR
AR
Jetpack
Firepower
Grenade power boost
Ragnorak/Dominion opening setup
DMR
PP
Thruster pack
Mobility
Dexterity
Assault/Flagsetup
DMR
Boltshot
PV
resupply
Grenades
All around
DMR
AR
Jetpack
Firepower
Grenade power boost
Ragnorak/Dominion opening setup
DMR
PP
Thruster pack
Mobility
Dexterity
Assault/Flagsetup
DMR
Boltshot
PV
resupply
Grenades
electricpirate
Member
I disagree with 60% of it, but well written and well put.
I find I can avoid a good chunk of the bad by sticking to dominion/CTF/KOTH/Oddball though.
Blue Ninja
Member
Seriously, the checkpoints in this game. I make it through an awful section with nothing but crawlers, get killed by a fucking swarm of them, and I get to sit through the entire section all over again. Excellent game design 343.
NullPointer
Member
Also shows that there is no desire on 343's part to balance the mode for solo play.
Ammo is incredible, and helps out a lot. It hurts when I don't have it in my loadout, but I feel the same about Awareness, at least on larger maps or BTB.surprised so many of you havent dropped dexterity for ammo. its sooo worth it when you get power weapons
I mean really, a response I could give for a lot of your issues is 'play customs'.
But you don't want to do that, even though I've played some pretty fun custom games with you and MLG settings, on your maps.
I don't particularly like flinch either, but I dislike descoping more.
Boltshot is dumb. Needs a nerf.
I don't really like ordnance, or personal ordnance (solution: play customs).
AA problems, yea I don't like camo or PV either (customs with no AAs)
Trueskill is better, nearly 80% of kills still seem to be precision weapons in my games.
-I've posted about some of these things too.
I would say I'd enjoy playing customs with you, but you've already traded in the game.
Yeah, I've given up on going solo. I wish they would set matchmade game to legendary by default, though.
Interficium
Banned
Are the two grenade perks not worth it? I've been running with them, trying to recapture the glory of Halo CE days.
NullPointer
Member
You make a lot of good points, but i guess for my part I don't see those as problems, just differences.
So when you head up a ramp into the enemy base those guys *could* have SAWs, or maybe not. One of them could have a rocket, or not. This just informs how you tackle these objectives - expecting the worst but still playing to your strengths. And with team communication you'll still hear callouts of players with different weapons on the field and where you can find them.
So yes, its less predictable, but when you know that going into things, you can use that to change up the way you play.
Is it classic Halo? No. But then again this is 343's baby, and they had a mandate to change things up.
Last bit - from reading a ton of HaloGAF over the years, if 343 or Bungie listened to the ultra competitive crowd we'd have a very minimalist game that would only appeal to that one small audience. Halo 4 is the first in the series to light a fire on my friends list and we're all having a great time with it, warts and all. And its stuff like personal ordnance, join in progress and loadouts that have made the difference, along with the incredible audio/visual work of course.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Props to a well reasoned argument for leaving. I disagree with some points and agree with others. If the made a MLG playlist with
Weapons on map
No Loadouts
No Ordnance
3 second spawn delay
Stability for everyone
No Radar
Would you return?
RIGHT?!
I finished the mission with the Mantises and immediately thought, "I'm gonna get the Crimson Alone achievement on this mission." Huge mistake. After the Banshees come, every enemy that spawns after has a Fuel Rod or is a vehicle. I'd get slaughtered for just trying to enter the damn mech.
Unfortunately under the new global customization system, it pretty much requires them to remove camo from everywhere or force standard loadouts in the playlist, removing everyone's customization.
They lost a bit of flexibility with the global loadout system.
NullPointer
Member
I'd recommend Sniper Alley, episode 1, chapter 2 for that. Its the one I have the most fun soloing anyway.
And yeah, fuel rod enemies can be OK, but in pairs or more you'll just end up dying a ton trying to take them down.
Yet there are systems out there that retain the ability to choose your loadout while limiting options. Modern Warfare 3's custom game settings allow you to block certain weapons from loadouts or block certain weapon categories as well. I was actually pleasantly surprised when I saw the settings that they had for it. The major downside is that everything was locked and you had to progress offline to unlock it.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Slayer Pro is the only way to play Slayer IMO. Motion Sensor breaks this game, holy fuck. Makes effective stealth nearly impossible.