I'm only bitter at Grifball. It seemed like when that was included as a standard gametype was right when the game took a turn from being competitive to casual-friendly.
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I'm only bitter at Grifball. It seemed like when that was included as a standard gametype was right when the game took a turn from being competitive to casual-friendly.
User 73706
Banned
Hey now, I'd love antihaptic gravity gauntlet-powered thrusty space gliders.
NobleGundam
Banned
But hold on a sec. Frankie did say that they admit using some assets and tweaking them when asked by IGN during that interview with Dan and him yesterday.
Edit: RandyRoflStomp is a PasteBinLeakerBot that got accepted into Gaf accidentally.
Ah.
Oh.
Wait. What?
So are the assets Halo 3 versions that are touched up? Pretty sure mere high-rez texture is not enough to make H3 BR to look like the BR in Halo 2 Anniversary.
EDIT i checked a first person BR pic from Halo 3 and compared it to Halo 2 Anniversary. Similar but there is so much difference in detail, more than mere texture would give it, i think. Halo 3 weapons don't have that high polycounts, the H2A weapons look more like Reach or H4 weapons in terms of polycounts to me.
Who hates Ricochet? I thought it was one of the best game types 343 did and with good teams you can literally play for hours.
As for the "combat" sports, or whatever, I'm fine with lore behind the MP or no lore. I never really once thought about why I'm on this forerunner planet fighting other Spartans. All I did was play or look around at the graphics/skyboxes.
Besides, we know literally nothing about Halo 5. It's like a 10 second cinematic of what appear to be Spartans fighting in some converted orbital landing platform. That's it. Could just be a training exercise who knows.
As for the "combat" sports, or whatever, I'm fine with lore behind the MP or no lore. I never really once thought about why I'm on this forerunner planet fighting other Spartans. All I did was play or look around at the graphics/skyboxes.
Besides, we know literally nothing about Halo 5. It's like a 10 second cinematic of what appear to be Spartans fighting in some converted orbital landing platform. That's it. Could just be a training exercise who knows.
Ricochet is an interesting gametype but not one i like. Not with randoms... and it doesn't, as i explained, fit Halo really. (Of course, arguably Grifball and many others don't fit either so that's kind of a moot point. But i've always been rather vanilla player, never been a big fan of odd, customized or modified game types, a couple of exceptions aside. Just give me Assault, CTF and Slayer, the rest can go to hell for all i care)
As for that H5 trailer, Frankie noted it used in-game assets though it was pre-rendered.
As for that H5 trailer, Frankie noted it used in-game assets though it was pre-rendered.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
What about infection customs in Halo 3 or social playlists in 2/3? What about campaign only players? What about BTB teams? The spectrum of gamer styles has always been present since day one CE on OG Xbox.
Prinz Eugn
Member
Halo 3 weapons look way bad in retrospect outside first-person. I remember looking up the Halo 3 BR for my BR redesign thingy and basically assuming I was looking at a Halo 2 BR by accident at first. They look like new assets from the ground up to me.
I just hope we get game play video and information soon. Don't know why, I've been searching and searching and reading all kinds of sites. Very impatient right now. I couldn't handle if they just don't talk about it at all or don't show much until summer is over.
I need interviews, ViDoc's, game play videos, etc. Hearing about it all come together is interesting. Hell I'm even excited to see how 1080p and 60 fps impacts Halo 4 especially on maps like Vortex and Wreckage.
I need interviews, ViDoc's, game play videos, etc. Hearing about it all come together is interesting. Hell I'm even excited to see how 1080p and 60 fps impacts Halo 4 especially on maps like Vortex and Wreckage.
Some of them don't look that great in first person either, though Halo 3's low resolution kinda hides that. High res first person image of the H3 BR? Low resolution texture, and the weapon looks very... flat.
http://www.halopedia.org/images/9/92/BR55HB_Battle_Rifle.png
NobleGundam
Banned
I only meant the SMG's. Don't think the BR was taken from H3, if it was or not, which I don't think they did.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Good points on 3 and 4 frame rates. I'm hoping for a bulletin blow out tomorrow.
I'm super interested to see how live matchmaking dedis affect the gameplay/mechanics of the differing game versions e.g. strafe dodging a melee in H2, sniper headshots registering in H3, target leading in Halo 3, region matching in Reach/4, network prediction of player movement etc.
The SMG was considerably bulkier than either the original Halo 2 or 3 versions, i think... Trying to recall how it looked in that one vid... It did look a lot like Halo 3 version but bulkier. IIRC. Need a good pic.
EDIT are we talking about that remastered MP or campaign? Because the SMG looks different in them... the former is more like high-poly version of H3 SMG, and the latter was, IIRC, bulkier than any other SMG so far.
RandyROFLSTOMP
Banned
Zanzibar and Interactive Map Elements
The Gate on Zanzibar is the one most people probably remember. Opening the gate, by activating the Gate Switch, was a crucial step in successfully pulling the flag from the Defenders base. Even in Slayer gametypes, Halo has always been about securing mini objectives. Off spawn you rush to secure a power weapon then rush to secure a power position. Giving players an optional mini objective, like a gate to open, allowed for more depth in gameplay by letting players make choices that affected their available strategies later in the round.
Unlike Zanzibars Gate, Containments Ramped Gate allowed players to exit from inside the base but did not allow players to enter from outside the base. Another difference is the impermanent effects of Containments Gate Switch. Once Zanzibars Gate was opened, it remained open for the remainder of the round. If Containments Gate Switch was activated, the Ramped Gate only remained open for a limited time before closing again.
Zanzibars Gate and Gate Switch, which opened a new path into the Defenders base, and Relics One Way Teleporter and Teleporter Switch served a similar function. Unlike Zanzibars Gate, which opened both an entrance into and an exit out of the Defenders base, Relics One Way Teleporter only opened an entrance into the Defenders base. Similar to Zanzibars Gate Switch, Relics Teleporter Switch is located inside the Defenders base. Unlike Zanzibars Gate, which is located on one of the bases outer walls, the entrance to Relics One Way Teleporter is in a separate, away from the base, location.
The Spinning Fan on Zanzibar could be ridden on by infantry to move from bottom wheel to mid wheel. Different lines of sight were presented to the player as he was gradually pushed upwards by the fan blade. Vehicles had to time their jumps through the wheel in order to avoid colliding with the fan blades. The sword room could only be accessed when the fan was in one, of three, specific orientations. Aside from gameplay related reasons, the giant fan gave the map a unique feel. It gave the map character.
Like Zanzibars Spinning Fan, which pushed players upward, Elongations Conveyor Belts also moved players but pushed them horizontally rather than vertically. Crates were also pushed by the Conveyor Belts. These moving crates could be used as mobile cover or as temporary platforms to make jumps off of. Since these Conveyor Belts terminated in death pits, it allowed for a continuous stream of crates to enter the map because they had an exit as well. The death pits also forced players to be aware of their position in order to avoid falling to their doom.
Similar to Zanzibars Spinning Fan, Ascensions Rotating Antenna created a dynamic environment where sightlines were opening and closing based on the antennas orientation. Zanzibars Spinning Fan opened new sightlines for the player by physically moving him upwards. Ascensions Rotating Antenna opened new sightlines by modifying the structure of the map itself. A map that modifies itself is capable of shifting the relative power of different positions through the opening and closing of sightlines, the addition or removal of cover, and the addition or removal of traversable paths. A map with shifting power positions encourages players to move in order to remain in control of the current power position or to avoid being in the killzone of the current power position. Promethean weapons assembling themselves and Forerunner structures modifying themselves, like the structure above top mid on Monolith, mesh well with the concept of self modifying maps.
Terminals Train was similar to Zanzibars Fan in that it was a moving element on the map that could affect players. Terminals Train is unlike Zanzibars Fan in that it does not assist players in traversing the map, rather the opposite. Terminals Train, speeding through the map at lethal speeds, acted to disincentivize players from traversing one particular portion of the map: the trains tracks. Power Ups, located on the tracks, acted as incentive items, drawing players into the dangerous area. The train tracks pushed and pulled player movement depending on the current situation. The train could be improved by giving it a consistent cadence. Instead of speeding through the map at random intervals, the time between trains should be predictable (not necessarily the same interval between each pass e.g. long interval, short interval, long interval, short interval...). This predictability would allow players to plan for the arrival of the train and use that to their advantage.
Similar to the vertical beams above Turfs streets, that could act as traversable walkways once they were knocked down to lie horizontally, Zanzibars Draw Bridge could be accessed by destroying the mount holding it upright but enemies were alerted to the bridges deployment by an audible emission.
Once the Glass Panes, located on the roofs/ceilings of Beaver Creeks bases, were destroyed through damage, they could not be rebuilt. Similarly, once Zanzibars Window Shutter Supports were destroyed, through damage, they could not be rebuilt. Unlike the destruction of the glass panes, which opened new paths, the destruction of the shutter supports closed existing sightlines.
The ground level of the Defenders base on Zanzibar had four columns that could have large chunks broken off through damage, creating a more open area. Unlike Waterworks Stalactites, damaging Zanzibars Columns did not cause any additional effect beyond the reduction of available cover. Dealing enough damage to Waterworks Stalactites would cause the massive rock formations to break from the ceiling and come plummeting down to the ground, dealing high damage to any players caught underneath.
On Zanzibar, players could modify the base which modifies the map as a whole. On Sandtrap, the player can move his base which modifies the map as a whole. Where Zanzibars Fan moves the player, Sandtraps Elephant requires the player to move it. On Zanzibar, a part of the map moves the player. On Sandtrap, the player moves a part of the map.
Interactive Map Elements do not need to be overly complex. IMEs can be as simple as the doors that automatically opened for proximate players on Turf or Gemini. Tilting platforms, like top mid on Midship or the hanging joist on Headlong, are simple examples. Providing the player with the ability to push an explosive item into a lift, like on Colossus, gave him everything he needed to assemble a futuristic catapult.
The Gate on Zanzibar is the one most people probably remember. Opening the gate, by activating the Gate Switch, was a crucial step in successfully pulling the flag from the Defenders base. Even in Slayer gametypes, Halo has always been about securing mini objectives. Off spawn you rush to secure a power weapon then rush to secure a power position. Giving players an optional mini objective, like a gate to open, allowed for more depth in gameplay by letting players make choices that affected their available strategies later in the round.
Unlike Zanzibars Gate, Containments Ramped Gate allowed players to exit from inside the base but did not allow players to enter from outside the base. Another difference is the impermanent effects of Containments Gate Switch. Once Zanzibars Gate was opened, it remained open for the remainder of the round. If Containments Gate Switch was activated, the Ramped Gate only remained open for a limited time before closing again.
Zanzibars Gate and Gate Switch, which opened a new path into the Defenders base, and Relics One Way Teleporter and Teleporter Switch served a similar function. Unlike Zanzibars Gate, which opened both an entrance into and an exit out of the Defenders base, Relics One Way Teleporter only opened an entrance into the Defenders base. Similar to Zanzibars Gate Switch, Relics Teleporter Switch is located inside the Defenders base. Unlike Zanzibars Gate, which is located on one of the bases outer walls, the entrance to Relics One Way Teleporter is in a separate, away from the base, location.
The Spinning Fan on Zanzibar could be ridden on by infantry to move from bottom wheel to mid wheel. Different lines of sight were presented to the player as he was gradually pushed upwards by the fan blade. Vehicles had to time their jumps through the wheel in order to avoid colliding with the fan blades. The sword room could only be accessed when the fan was in one, of three, specific orientations. Aside from gameplay related reasons, the giant fan gave the map a unique feel. It gave the map character.
Like Zanzibars Spinning Fan, which pushed players upward, Elongations Conveyor Belts also moved players but pushed them horizontally rather than vertically. Crates were also pushed by the Conveyor Belts. These moving crates could be used as mobile cover or as temporary platforms to make jumps off of. Since these Conveyor Belts terminated in death pits, it allowed for a continuous stream of crates to enter the map because they had an exit as well. The death pits also forced players to be aware of their position in order to avoid falling to their doom.
Similar to Zanzibars Spinning Fan, Ascensions Rotating Antenna created a dynamic environment where sightlines were opening and closing based on the antennas orientation. Zanzibars Spinning Fan opened new sightlines for the player by physically moving him upwards. Ascensions Rotating Antenna opened new sightlines by modifying the structure of the map itself. A map that modifies itself is capable of shifting the relative power of different positions through the opening and closing of sightlines, the addition or removal of cover, and the addition or removal of traversable paths. A map with shifting power positions encourages players to move in order to remain in control of the current power position or to avoid being in the killzone of the current power position. Promethean weapons assembling themselves and Forerunner structures modifying themselves, like the structure above top mid on Monolith, mesh well with the concept of self modifying maps.
Terminals Train was similar to Zanzibars Fan in that it was a moving element on the map that could affect players. Terminals Train is unlike Zanzibars Fan in that it does not assist players in traversing the map, rather the opposite. Terminals Train, speeding through the map at lethal speeds, acted to disincentivize players from traversing one particular portion of the map: the trains tracks. Power Ups, located on the tracks, acted as incentive items, drawing players into the dangerous area. The train tracks pushed and pulled player movement depending on the current situation. The train could be improved by giving it a consistent cadence. Instead of speeding through the map at random intervals, the time between trains should be predictable (not necessarily the same interval between each pass e.g. long interval, short interval, long interval, short interval...). This predictability would allow players to plan for the arrival of the train and use that to their advantage.
Similar to the vertical beams above Turfs streets, that could act as traversable walkways once they were knocked down to lie horizontally, Zanzibars Draw Bridge could be accessed by destroying the mount holding it upright but enemies were alerted to the bridges deployment by an audible emission.
Once the Glass Panes, located on the roofs/ceilings of Beaver Creeks bases, were destroyed through damage, they could not be rebuilt. Similarly, once Zanzibars Window Shutter Supports were destroyed, through damage, they could not be rebuilt. Unlike the destruction of the glass panes, which opened new paths, the destruction of the shutter supports closed existing sightlines.
The ground level of the Defenders base on Zanzibar had four columns that could have large chunks broken off through damage, creating a more open area. Unlike Waterworks Stalactites, damaging Zanzibars Columns did not cause any additional effect beyond the reduction of available cover. Dealing enough damage to Waterworks Stalactites would cause the massive rock formations to break from the ceiling and come plummeting down to the ground, dealing high damage to any players caught underneath.
On Zanzibar, players could modify the base which modifies the map as a whole. On Sandtrap, the player can move his base which modifies the map as a whole. Where Zanzibars Fan moves the player, Sandtraps Elephant requires the player to move it. On Zanzibar, a part of the map moves the player. On Sandtrap, the player moves a part of the map.
Interactive Map Elements do not need to be overly complex. IMEs can be as simple as the doors that automatically opened for proximate players on Turf or Gemini. Tilting platforms, like top mid on Midship or the hanging joist on Headlong, are simple examples. Providing the player with the ability to push an explosive item into a lift, like on Colossus, gave him everything he needed to assemble a futuristic catapult.
customs? fine. campaign only players? doesn't affect MP. BTB? Can be competitive, don't see how that fits in with making the game more casual.
my point wasn't that they gave players options for customs, it's that they focused on making it a MP hopper and appealed to their 'non-core' game stuff.
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
Expect a podcast tomorrow night or early thursday.
Sounds like it'll be pretty good.
So how do you feel about it being a rotational playlist, like in Halo 3?
meh. still don't like it.
that compounded with challenges, etc pulled me away from good hoppers to grind out kills for reach and got swindled into playing it in halo 3 because it was new and exciting.
i just want slayer and actual objective gametypes.
oh? i'm getting a chance to play halo 2 again?
neat.
Jellycrackers
Member
There was a Halo reveal yesterday. So naturally I wrote some more Halo 5 Fan-made/Inspired soundtrack music. You all might like it.
Dust and Echoes
Dust and Echoes
Fair enough.
Also, I want to remind people that high-res stuff does exist for Terminal. Terminal was supposed to be in the Anniversary map pack, but it got cut. Then for the 3rd Halo 4 map pack, they talked about using some assets from it for the city looking map. Expect Terminal to be one of the 6 remade maps.
Hi res train deaths are a next gen feature. Hopefully I can still pick up OS and be invulnerable as I launch into the base.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
That makes your intention clearer, the developer choosing to go more casual. On that note I'd still say Halo 3 overall started that during development years before release, rather than grifball being added months/years post release.
I do agree with your intention behind reducing player pools for core playlists like Slayer & Objective. I thought the same things about Infection as you do Grifball, I guess the masses have spoken as both playlists enjoy higher populations than the hardcore MLG/AGL in late H3, Reach & 4. Here's hoping the collection or H5 can redeem players to want to play in game ranked slayer/obj over infection/grifball.
That was Chichen Itzá a map MM players loved but the Grifball community hated.
I made the map specifically to allow players to get Golf Club kills MM.
Since there was no way to spawn with the Golf Club in the game settings, and you could only place 8 of them in forge, i had to come up with a devious method to allow grabbing it without affecting the standard Grifball rules of no weapon pickup. Oddly enough, you could swap a Hammer for a dropped Golf Club in MM, even though weapon pickup was turned off.
The 28 degree floating floor on that map took months to complete so there is no effin' way i am rebuilding it.
I think the issue with 4 is that there wasn't that hardcore itch scratching playlist right off the bat, you know? I kept playing because my friends did and it was a good social time, but I really didnt enjoy the random/casualish experience that Halo 4 offered at launch. I assume a lot of other people didn't either as the population seemed to drop like a brick in water.
I can't attest to Reach hoppers having that many players (mostly because I can't remember what the numbers were like) but I DO think the ign article about the MCC being a giant info-grabber to see what players like could be pretty accurate.
I don't want to take playlists away from people that genuinely enjoy it mostly because I don't want them in the competitive side lol (kidding, mostly). I just want a healthy enough population to satisfy both sides of the coin and for people to just have a good time again.
edit: sorry, i didn't proofread any of my last posts because I'm doing this at work and just spitting out a stream of consciousness. apologies in advance if i'm making no sense.
Special retailer pre-order exclusive skulls... Why frank, why?!?
Seems like two steps forward, one step back. I hate having something fun/cool like content locked behind pre-ordering from certain retailers. At least allow everyone the option to buy it then. I mean I'd love to play with grunt birthday party, unlimited ammo and grenades, grunts drop grenades etc. Why do people have to miss out based solely on where they buy from?
Seems like two steps forward, one step back. I hate having something fun/cool like content locked behind pre-ordering from certain retailers. At least allow everyone the option to buy it then. I mean I'd love to play with grunt birthday party, unlimited ammo and grenades, grunts drop grenades etc. Why do people have to miss out based solely on where they buy from?
Oh my rather desperate no?
FatMarshall
Neo Member
Are we gonna need gold and an XBL connection to play Spartan Ops again?
For some reason I see it happening.
For some reason I see it happening.
Poker Face
Member
He hasn't checked ebay yet it seems
NobleGundam
Banned
Yes, b'cuz halo 4 is a direct port to the collection.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Too right, Reach's arena ranking failed as no one wants to always have to achieve your rank over and over again. Keep highest AND current rank in game where current can go up and down based on your skill/performance.
I complete agree about 4's lack of the hardcore at launch and to a large extent even now. CSR being external to the game sucks but what is worse even to current day is guests, quitting and host migration. Forgetting about randoms vs. teams for a moment who cares about rank when guests are allowed in every playlist and stats are borked almost every game due to black screen/host migration and quitting.
Dedis fix an awful lot of these issues and I can't wait for a real in game rank to return, especially at launch.
The days of H3 making infection a weekend ranked playlist were pretty funny indeed.
Judging by Starcraft 2, the issue isn't necessarily making people "regrind" their ranks, it's that Bungie.net really was bad at showing your career legacy, and seasons were super-short. Reseting ranks month after month is going to wear down everyone but the super-competitive types, and I don't honestly think there's enough of those people to sustain a playlist let alone Halo. Talking with Strongside about Halo 2's matchming, I think he made a good point--you have to inspire people to be competitive, and Halo 2's system did that. So you got a lot of people who might not be MLG material still working on their ranks.
l Zealot l
Member
Another favourite game type I'll be able to relive in the collection, awesome.
So will ranked be across the board for each game or?
FatMarshall
Neo Member
I was actually kidding, because I thought the obvious answer would be no.
There is absolutely no reason to make the feature online exclusive, much less a Gold exclusive. The only reason it was done to begin with was because the episodes were technically downloadable content, considering they weren't all released at once.
Now they will be, so they can't just include everything on-disc without that online Gold barrier? Again, I don't see the point.
lizardwizarding
Neo Member
The hilarious secret that now Backwash is top-tier. Lets get misty.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Hey, I just realized
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080630180100/halo/images/thumb/6/66/Backwash.jpg/500px-Backwash.jpg[img]
The King has returned
Serious though: I wonder if they'll let you spawn with grenades on it now.[/QUOTE]
Ooooh that reminds me, I wonder if fire grenades and the flame thrower can now be matchmaking for H3? I always loved the fire grenade arc.
[img]http://cdn.staticneo.com/w/halo/thumb/9/90/Fire_Bomb.JPG/300px-Fire_Bomb.JPG
FatMarshall
Neo Member
It supposedly contains all DLC. Forge Island is DLC.
inb4 Backwash is one of the chosen 6 to be remade. Anniversary treatment on the secret gargoyles way up in the structure.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Arena sucked because I went 49/49 one season and got Gold. The next season I went like 18/22 and got Onyx.
Thing was a piece of shit that was ruined by fucking terrible playlist settings in the beginning to the point "Arena" quickly meant nothing more than "Bungiefunlandterribleplaylist 3.4 Now with 1000 free hours"
Total Morans over there running things. Give me control of playlists.
Thing was a piece of shit that was ruined by fucking terrible playlist settings in the beginning to the point "Arena" quickly meant nothing more than "Bungiefunlandterribleplaylist 3.4 Now with 1000 free hours"
Total Morans over there running things. Give me control of playlists.
#HireJuices
I'll be cool with them contextualizing MP as a sport as long as they have way better UI for it, let me see stats in-game and make it a better visual experience. At the moment I'm really digging Destiny's MP UI and would love to see similarly stylized UI in future Halo games (and not the ALL CAPS, squared stuff in Halo 4).
Kibbles
Member
Isn't the Alpha PS4 only? lol
Dat Sundance tweet.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Smartglass fast loading stats of all players I just matched with please, pre and post game.