Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth

Odah said:
I think this is the reason why everyone loved Halo 1 - 3 so much. There were the good guys, the bad guys, and the even badder guys. + Awesome chief. = formula for a good selling story and game.
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This is kind of why I like the new direction though. I loved Halo 1, 2, and 3, what with awesome quiet chief that only spoke in one liners, and the clear enemies and whatnot...But the last one of those was, holy crap, the better part of a decade ago. I grew up. That whole demographic did. Having more "good guy, bad guy, pew pew" wouldn't quite cut it for me anymore. Having Cheif as a cool robot who doesn't afraid of anything wouldn't cut it for me anymore. He had to evolve, or be killed off for more emotive characters, and they're doing the former, revealing the man inside more.

I love the lore. I understand it's confusing as hell for people who only play the games, and they do need to do a better job getting the gist across without going too deep in-game. But still, I find it to be one of the richest game lores out there. The forerunner trilogy was fantastic.

I kind of get the longing for the simpler games, but I'm also very happy for some more meat to chew on over the simplistic fare of the originals.
 
I think I can be counted among the people who prefer the political intrigue of HunttheTruth over Forerunner lore. The latter isn't bad, it's just the former is so much better.

edit: Preston Cole is the goddamn GOAT in the Halo universe.
 
MrGreencastle said:
Halo CE, VERY first cutscene in the entire series:
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The person behind the protocol is far more interesting than the protocol itself. A deeply flawed, brilliant, complicated man. Next to Blue Team and Mendicant Bias, one of the few Expanded Universe characters whose presence in the games is saddening.
 
LordOfChaos said:
This is kind of why I like the new direction though. I loved Halo 1, 2, and 3, what with awesome quiet chief that only spoke in one liners, and the clear enemies and whatnot...But the last one of those was, holy crap, the better part of a decade ago. I grew up. That whole demographic did. Having more "good guy, bad guy, pew pew" wouldn't quite cut it for me anymore. Having Cheif as a cool robot who doesn't afraid of anything wouldn't cut it for me anymore. He had to evolve, or be killed off for more emotive characters, and they're doing the former, revealing the man inside more.

I love the lore. I understand it's confusing as hell for people who only play the games, and they do need to do a better job getting the gist across without going too deep in-game. But still, I find it to be one of the richest game lores out there. The forerunner trilogy was fantastic.

I kind of get the longing for the simpler games, but I'm also very happy for some more meat to chew on over the simplistic fare of the originals.
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This. 343% this!

I'm in the exact same boat. Loved the older stuff, what with all the untold mysteries and clear delineations of good guys and bad guys (in the games), but even the books back then had a taste of the gray areas and the examples of ONI being not awesome, etc. 343i has just taken those concepts in the universe we already knew, and have totally taken it by the horns.
After reading the 5 pages of condensed overview, it reiterated to me how much 343i has added to the backstory of the Forerunners. Before 343i, we knew of the Halo array's firing, and in Halo 3 we learned of Mendicant Bias, the Ark, and the Librarian and Didact. But we've learned so much more now post-transition, it's quite remarkable actually.
 
GringoSuave89 said:
The person behind the protocol is far more interesting than the protocol itself. A deeply flawed, brilliant, complicated man. Next to Blue Team and Mendicant Bias, one of the few Expanded Universe characters whose presence in the games is saddening.
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Just saying. He is referenced very early on in the series in the first cutscene you ever see in Halo 1. To say he's not important or some obscure character or whatever means you just weren't paying attention or weren't very curious.
 
MrGreencastle said:
Halo CE, VERY first cutscene in the entire series:
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rofl, as if anybody is going to hear that one line and think "Well better look up this Cole Protocol thing".

I bet there are plenty of people who have read the books and have no recollection of that being mentioned in the first cutscene. There is no way anyone who hasn't invested themselves in the lore will know that Admiral Cole's record makes the Spartans looks like chumps.
 
MrGreencastle said:
Just saying. He is referenced very early on in the series in the first cutscene you ever see in Halo 1. To say he's not important or some obscure character or whatever means you just weren't paying attention or weren't very curious.
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That's like someone in a movie mentioning the Lindbergh Law. I'm not really going to leave a theater wanting to look it up and learn about the Lindbergh kidnappings. You could also say the same for Shaw-Fujikawa space (though idk if that term has been used in game).
 
MrGreencastle said:
psh. Keyes Loop or bust.
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Don't get me wrong I got great respect for J. Keyes, but come on the keyes loop? Cole was doing stuff like that when he was in diapers still shitting on himself.

Speaking of Keyes when Miranda died in H3 first thing I thought was "Hope she had a child". Cause them Keyes are some resourceful awesome mofos.....Then Johnson died...I cried.
 
Poodlestrike said:
I kind of want him to just be a grumpy old man. He and his crew relaxing on the beach of some otherwise uninhabited planet somewhere. Gets all pissed at Locke & Co for interrupting his siesta.
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Well in the books/short story
he most likely survived the fight and went to a remote planet with his Insurrectionist wife/ex/whatever to be a farmer
. So, maybe a better version of
Uncle Lars from Star Wars
? haha
 
FollowTheWind said:
I mean sure spartans are fast and stuff, but shoulder bashing a banshee? And the way Locke climbed that little tower thing. I feel its just exaggerated to show off the abilities. The ground pound whole explosion thing is what makes me 90% that they did it just for artistic reasons.

I could be wrong, wouldn't really be shocked after hearing Kelly can outrun a warthog.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying, and it makes sense: the trailer is just for show. I don't think we'll get anything like that in-game. It would be a HUGE disconnect if the cutscenes looked like that and the gameplay didn't follow suit. And there's no way they're turning a Halo FPS into Mirror's Edge meets Vanquish.

Having said that... a Spartan shoulder bashing a Banshee is possible thanks to the armor and jetpack. Spartans have survived dropping from a pelican in mid-flight (First Strike), High Altitude jumps without parachutes (Chief in Halo 3), I think Kelly once jumped and punched a Sentinel in the eye (Ghosts of Onyx), William-043 engaged in hand to hand combat with a Hunter (Ghost of Onyx), etc.
georgc said:
Oh, him? Nothing big really, he just made a fucking star in the middle of a covenant fleet destroying hundreds of ships and successfully escaped...well like 80% chance that he escaped.
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I've been meaning to ask: is The Cole Protocol any good? I'd love to read it if so.
 
Ramirez said:
It was ok, I didn't regret reading it, unlike Primordium.
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Yeah, I didn't like Primordium that much. I liked Cryptum better, then Silentium was kind of... boring? And Primordium had some good stuff in it but then none of the reveals felt quite natural so it kind of felt forced to me and didn't enjoy it in the end.

Poodlestrike said:
You don't want The Cole Protocol, you want The Astonishing Life and Probable Death of Preston J. Cole.
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Oh, what's the ISBN for that? :P

Oh wait, lol, you're serious? It's part of Halo: Evolutions, haha! I thought you were making fun of me, sorry. :D
 
Zvonimir Boban said:
rofl, as if anybody is going to hear that one line and think "Well better look up this Cole Protocol thing".

I bet there are plenty of people who have read the books and have no recollection of that being mentioned in the first cutscene. There is no way anyone who hasn't invested themselves in the lore will know that Admiral Cole's record makes the Spartans looks like chumps.
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GringoSuave89 said:
That's like someone in a movie mentioning the Lindbergh Law. I'm not really going to leave a theater wanting to look it up and learn about the Lindbergh kidnappings. You could also say the same for Shaw-Fujikawa space (though idk if that term has been used in game).
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Grrrrrr. I'm not legit upset or anything, but you're like ONI and re-writing history a bit to fit your argument.

Here's a page from the manual that came with Halo CE that I just went and took a picture of, back when manuals actually came with games:

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Not making it up. http://halo.bungie.net/images/games/halo/about/xbox_manual.pdf

My point is he's been an important character in the series since DAY ZERO - as he's even mentioned in The Fall of Reach which came out in October 2001, a month before Halo CE. That's on you if you don't know who he is. Yeah he was expanded on later, but the dude has always been there.
 
FunkyPajamas said:
I've been meaning to ask: is The Cole Protocol any good? I'd love to read it if so.
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It's OK but if you wanna read about Cole himself then you need to check out the story in Halo: Evolutions.

Cole Protocol is good for learning about the Arbiter iirc

MrGreencastle said:
Grrrrrr. I'm not legit upset or anything, but you're like ONI and re-writing history a bit to fit your argument.

Here's a page from the manual that came with Halo CE that I just went and took a picture of, back when manuals actually came with games:



Not making it up. http://halo.bungie.net/images/games/halo/about/xbox_manual.pdf

My point is he's been an important character in the series since DAY ZERO - as he's even mentioned in The Fall of Reach which came out in October 2001, a month before Halo CE. That's on you if you don't know who he is. Yeah he was expanded on later, but the dude has always been there.
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Between hearing "Cole Protocol" in a cutscene and reading the manual what do we learn about the character?

His name, rank and what the Cole Protocol is. It's safe to say that the overwhelming majority of people who have only played the games will not give a shit about the character, if they even remember him.
 
MrGreencastle said:
Grrrrrr. I'm not legit upset or anything, but you're like ONI and re-writing history a bit to fit your argument.

Here's a page from the manual that came with Halo CE that I just went and took a picture of, back when manuals actually came with games:



Not making it up. http://halo.bungie.net/images/games/halo/about/xbox_manual.pdf

My point is he's been an important character in the series since DAY ZERO - as he's even mentioned in The Fall of Reach which came out in October 2001, a month before Halo CE. That's on you if you don't know who he is. Yeah he was expanded on later, but the dude has always been there.
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Again, unless you are super about the lore, reading a damn manual, you'd never know. That's the bulk of my argument. :p
 
I hope this game is as good as Halo 4 and doesn't have a ton of issues at launch like the Halo Master Chief Collection had (which persisted for months). I enjoyed the direction at which 343 Industries took Halo 4.
 
GringoSuave89 said:
Again, unless you are super about the lore, reading a damn manual, you'd never know. That's the bulk of my argument. :p
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It's like skipping reading the opening crawl in Star Wars and complaining you don't know what the hell plans Darth Vader was talking about. I actually just face-palmed.


THE WHOLE REASON KEYES LANDS ON HALO AND GIVES YOU CORTANA IS BECAUSE OF THIS MAN.
 
MrGreencastle said:
It's like skipping reading the opening crawl in Star Wars and complaining you don't know what the hell plans Darth Vader was talking about. I actually just face-palmed.
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If you think, even back in 2001, reading a manual for story content was a common practice, I've got some magic beans to sell you.


I wonder if the code to the left of the qr code is PDF-417. It's probably an artistic detail than a practical one.
 
MrGreencastle said:
http://halo.bungie.net/images/games/halo/about/xbox_manual.pdf
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Thanks for posting this. I distinctly remembered the manual stating that the Chief was the "last SPARTAN-II" but my google fu failed me when searching for the manual. :D Awesome.
MrGreencastle said:
It's like skipping reading the opening crawl in Star Wars and complaining you don't know what the hell plans Darth Vader was talking about. I actually just face-palmed.


THE WHOLE REASON KEYES LANDS ON HALO AND GIVES YOU CORTANA IS BECAUSE OF THIS MAN.
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I agree with you.
GringoSuave89 said:
If you think, even back in 2001, reading a manual for story content was a common practice, I've got some magic beans to sell you.
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But this is the sad reality.

"Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable". I remember the quote like it was yesterday. :D Man, how I loved Halo CE's campaign.
 
MrGreencastle said:
It's like skipping reading the opening crawl in Star Wars and complaining you don't know what the hell plans Darth Vader was talking about. I actually just face-palmed.
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Only if after the opening crawl disappears the Death Star, the Empire and Princess Leia are never seen, or heard from again, for the entire trilogy.

THE WHOLE REASON KEYES LANDS ON HALO AND GIVES YOU CORTANA IS BECAUSE OF THIS MAN.
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WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
 
Zvonimir Boban said:
Only if after the opening crawl disappears the Death Star, the Empire and Princess Leia are never seen, or heard from again, for the entire trilogy.



WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?
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Because you're just so wrong it hurts lol. It kinda sets the entire trilogy in motion. And like I said, if you don't know him you just weren't paying attention.

"The Story so far..." and a couple paragraphs of text included in the box is hardly "lore"
 
MrGreencastle said:
Because you're just so wrong it hurts lol. It kinda sets the entire trilogy in motion. And like I said, if you don't know him you just weren't paying attention.

"The Story so far..." and a couple paragraphs of text included in the box is hardly "lore"
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Take a straw poll of everyone who has zero interest in the Halo universe outside of the games and see how many of them recognise the name Admiral Cole.

Then see how many of them recognise the name Darth Vader. They don't even need to have seen any Star Wars movies, just ask them anyway.

If I'm so painfully wrong then those numbers should be roughly identical.
 
Zvonimir Boban said:
Take a straw poll of everyone who has zero interest in the Halo universe outside of the games and see how many of them recognise the name Admiral Cole.

Then see how many of them recognise the name Darth Vader. They don't even need to have seen any Star Wars movies, just ask them anyway.

If I'm so painfully wrong then those numbers should be roughly identical.
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Ok I'm out. I made a blind jump.
 
The whole thing is apples and oranges, but just cause something was mentioned in game doesn't mean someone would retain that waiting for the next mention of it. Since we're on a Star Wars kick, how many people know what the Kessel Run is? It was in the Expanded Universe, but did any casual viewer go "huh what's that? I better remember in case it pops up in the next movie".
 
Halo lore is so much deeper than "I'm a super human watch me shoot these aliens" . . but it seems hidden away in the books. Is this correct?
 
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