Halo 5 Guardians: #huntthetruth

Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I don't necessarily mind stuff like Requiem where you happen to come across an "active" Shield World and see new weapons, tech, etc. but I feel like demystifying the Forerunners goes a long way in screwing with our conventions of them - being able to kill Knights with human weaponry just makes them feel so weak compared to what we've been told about them.

All of the insight into Forerunner lifestyles is pretty disappointing too - I preferred when they came across as dead, mystic engineer Space Jockeys, rather than being crystal spires and togas space hippies. Memory spores, thinking plants, perfumes, etc.
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That's kind of part of the eventual issue you run into, though, when you use plot devices such as "ancient, extinct race left a bunch of their technology around". At some point, the story is going to lead characters to finding out more about these beings, and in the end, it's going to alienate some of the viewers or readers of that story.

When you use such mysteries, it causes us to begin to imagine what they were like, and who they were, and why they vanished- and when the lore-actual truth of it all eventually comes to light, it doesn't match up with what a good chunk of the players had created in their mind.

It's kind of a common occurance with deeply tangled sci-fi stories- there's usually always something ancient. Something mysterious. Something ominous. And once it becomes less of any or all of those things, it disappoints some folks.

Not sure if that's actually an avoidable thing, unless you just don't use those plot devices at all, or just leave the mystery hanging forever, which has its own set of frustrations.
 
wesleyshark said:
That's kind of part of the eventual issue you run into, though, when you use plot devices such as "ancient, extinct race left a bunch of their technology around". At some point, the story is going to lead characters to finding out more about these beings, and in the end, it's going to alienate some of the viewers or readers of that story.

When you use such mysteries, it causes us to begin to imagine what they were like, and who they were, and why they vanished- and when the lore-actual truth of it all eventually comes to light, it doesn't match up with what a good chunk of the players had created in their mind.

It's kind of a common occurance with deeply tangled sci-fi stories- there's usually always something ancient. Something mysterious. Something ominous. And once it becomes less of any or all of those things, it disappoints some folks.

Not sure if that's actually an avoidable thing, unless you just don't use those plot devices at all, or just leave the mystery hanging forever, which has its own set of frustrations.
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Agree, I'm torn about it honestly. A part of me wishes these structures were more mysterious, we knew less etc... I loved looking at them thinking what sort of creatures. Another part of me is happy, because I hate unresolved questions, and I like to know the answer to everything.

I guess eventually with any big universe you build, you'll have to start answering these questions, and that is the eventuality. All the mystery will start to go down. But its for the best, hoping now we get more mysterious structures/races. That was my one massive issue with the new Halo (3-4). Halo started to lose that slight horror appeal, all the old structures looked scary and spooky.
 
FollowTheWind said:
Agree, I'm torn about it honestly. A part of me wishes these structures were more mysterious, we knew less etc... I loved looking at them thinking what sort of creatures. Another part of me is happy, because I hate unresolved questions, and I like to know the answer to everything.

I guess eventually with any big universe you build, you'll have to start answering these questions, and that is the eventuality. All the mystery will start to go down. But its for the best, hoping now we get more mysterious structures/races. That was my one massive issue with the new Halo (3-4). Halo started to lose that slight horror appeal, all the old structures looked scary and spooky.
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Given the hints and whispers of things happening on the edges of the known systems, and given that there's going to be some kind of not-so-good discovery on the Lesser Ark in Hunters In the Dark, I think we might be getting some of that slight horror appeal back.

Honestly- just bring back the Flood, or maybe drop some megatons about Precursors possibly still lying dormant somewhere, or reveal a new Gravemind who isn't confined to some dank corner in Stinkles' basement, and that slight horror could not only be brought back, but turned into abject terror.
 
wesleyshark said:
Given the hints and whispers of things happening on the edges of the known systems, and given that there's going to be some kind of not-so-good discovery on the Lesser Ark in Hunters In the Dark, I think we might be getting some of that slight horror appeal back.

Honestly- just bring back the Flood, or maybe drop some megatons about Precursors possibly still lying dormant somewhere, or reveal a new Gravemind who isn't confined to some dank corner in Stinkles' basement, and that slight horror could not only be brought back, but turned into abject terror.
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That sounds fantastic. I never played Halo 1-2 on Xbox OG, but going back now and playing those levels on classic mode really struck different tones. I loved it, it just felt like this was a massive world with beauty... and disgust.

I hope the flash light returns
(even though its useless)
.

edit: On that note, I better go and finish Gravemind on legendary, still haven't managed.
 
Munish23 said:
Keep your expectations in check.
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I was just going off of what was posted on the news.xbox.com article about the poster reveal.
"Today, we're proud to release the final cover art for Halo 5: Guardians, including a special video version that highlights the Spartan fireteams that play a crucial role in the showdown between the Master Chief and Spartan Locke.

Who are these Spartans? This and many more mysteries will be uncovered as we draw closer to the world premiere of Halo 5: Guardians at E3 2015."​
 
Yeah Promethean Knights being pushovers was kinda weird.

This is supposed to be the warrior army of the Didact. They are BUILT to fight.

And yet in Halo CE Guilty Spark says Chief is a Class 1 or 2 or something combat skin, when the proper combat skin for just CONTAINING the flood is Class 12.

Didact shoulda wiped the floor with Blue team and yet....
 
MrGreencastle said:
Correct. Mountain Canada time :)


Why phone only? What does it mean?
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Why mobile? It very well could be just a random choice to bring new Halo lore/game content to fans through the medium of mobile. I'm curious if the mobile-specific nature of it means we might be getting a Halo-related app. (Updated) Halo Channel/Waypoint app? Something else ARG? The Cortana app for other OSes?

That's my theory, at least. Otherwise, it doens't make much sense to me why it's mobile only, but I've been proven wrong before :P
 
Tawpgun said:
Yeah Promethean Knights being pushovers was kinda weird.

This is supposed to be the warrior army of the Didact. They are BUILT to fight.

And yet in Halo CE Guilty Spark says Chief is a Class 1 or 2 or something combat skin, when the proper combat skin for just CONTAINING the flood is Class 12.

Didact shoulda wiped the floor with Blue team and yet....
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Maybe the Greg Bear books / EU covered this, but iirc they never specified whether or not it was an actual tier list where higher numbers meant stronger suits. It's possible "Class" could just indicate its actual purpose, considering Spark didn't consider the upgrade from MJOLNIR Mark V to Mark VI an upgrade from Class 2 to Class 3. Spark also noted that MJOLNIR would benefit Chief once the Flood had converted the atmosphere of Alpha Halo, so it's possible that a Class 12 may be dedicated specifically for wiping out localized Flood infestations before they can truly begin "terraforming" and is purely meant to eliminate lower stages of the infection, whereas a Class 2 may be more of a HAZMAT analogue, meant to continue operations in environments lost to the Flood. Note how effectively Chief has worked his way through fully-converted environments, such as High Charity.

I think it's possible the Combat Skin system may be more of an "acidity versus alkalinity" scale akin to pH rather than a scaling power level system, personally. Lower Class numbers are dedicated for "durable personal" operations involving extraction, procurement, prolonged survival in dangerous environments, etc. while higher classes are dedicated more specifically for "broad-stroke tactical" or "homefront" engagements, e.g. those where fighting large groups of enemies in familiar conditions is necessary. That would cause the midpoint of the scale to operate as more of a shock-trooper force, putting down rebellions, quelling groups of (possibly alien) targets, etc. That would place a Class 12 slightly more in favor of handling large groups of enemies, but still be close enough to the midpoint that it would possess a modicum of environmental protection services.
 
StarStuffToStarStuff said:
Wtf is this? Didact is out and about killing dudes?
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I know you don't care so ill post it

DIdact kills a spartan II black team. He then fights blue team where Chief stabs him in the eye or something. I think they killed him right? I'm not sure.


Basically, extended fiction covering what should be in the games lol
 
Faith said:
Is Halo Escalation e spoiler for Halo 5? Should I read it?
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Not really. And you could just read the plot synopsis on wiki. I bought the first 10 issues or so on kindle. Not worth it. And this is coming from a major story nerd, myself. It's more to do with the cheapo art and dialogue than anything though. The story itself is interesting enough and the cover arts are fantastic - just don't let them fool you, they rarely have anything to do with the actual issue.

At $4 a piece, though... It could be worse.

Here's the 6issue/$20 pack collections if you must:
http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/22-713/Halo-Escalation-Volume-1-TPB
http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/22-714/Halo-Escalation-Volume-2-TPB
http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/26-638/Halo-Escalation-Volume-3-TPB
 
Did I read here that they killed Jun in the comics? That's a shame because it would have been neat if he was part of Locke's team.
 
Zoolader said:
Did I read here that they killed Jun in the comics? That's a shame because it would have been neat if he was part of Locke's team.
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He's alive. There was some confusion a while back with the Fall of Reach rerelease because an Elite said something to the effect of "a demon giving their life to defend [Halsey]," and a lot of people assumed that to be Jun given the events of Halo Reach, but it was ultimately a red herring.
 
ryan299 said:
After an alien artifact and combat in warped Slipstream space had distorted space-time. Dr. Halsey wasn’t so sure precisely what time line she belonged in. Quantum paradoxes that once seem a quaint mental exercise were now a part of her reality.
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GETTING WARMER!

I love this. Any interaction between Halsey and an AI is just juicy.
 
MrGreencastle said:
GETTING WARMER!

I love this. Any interaction between Halsey and an AI is just juicy.
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I've always loved the way the writers have done those interactions. She just pokes and prods, hitting buttons and levers nobody (not even the AI) know they have. It's a bizarre form of interaction, and it's always fun to read.
 
ryan299 said:
Hidden convo found. Found this on waypoint:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/huntthesignal-halsey-and-jerrod-convertation/27d94050-3f14-4262-b96a-28a4f495f2a2/posts


Also

www.huntthesignal.com is only viewable in mobile browser. Here's a modified one for desktop.

http://eurasianfed.square7.net/subdomains/Countdown/
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That countdown says 111 hours, my phone says 114 hours. WHHHYYYYY (I am guessing timezone differences?)
 
FollowTheWind said:
Personally I wasn't interested by the other comics, just read the 3-4 MC issues within Escalation. The rest doesn't really feel necessary.
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How is
The Absolute Record
not necessary?!
Actually I don't know, but I assume it'll be relevant since it continued the Spartan Ops story.
 
wesleyshark said:
Given the hints and whispers of things happening on the edges of the known systems, and given that there's going to be some kind of not-so-good discovery on the Lesser Ark in Hunters In the Dark, I think we might be getting some of that slight horror appeal back.

Honestly- just bring back the Flood, or maybe drop some megatons about Precursors possibly still lying dormant somewhere, or reveal a new Gravemind who isn't confined to some dank corner in Stinkles' basement, and that slight horror could not only be brought back, but turned into abject terror.
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PLEASE THIS.

I'd love to see all the human "uh oh are the oni going to get the mantle who knows!" Get interrupted with a monumental flood incursion that forces humanity to unite as much of the galaxy as they can rather than subjugate it, making humanity *earn* the mantle.

And we'd get to actually fight gravemind.
 
Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:
He's alive. There was some confusion a while back with the Fall of Reach rerelease because an Elite said something to the effect of "a demon giving their life to defend [Halsey]," and a lot of people assumed that to be Jun given the events of Halo Reach, but it was ultimately a red herring.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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