Prinz Eugn
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It's remarkably consistent, too. Red guy at Blue Ghost every game on that map last night...
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Halo 5: Guardians |OT2| All Hail The Conquering Hero
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It's remarkably consistent, too. Red guy at Blue Ghost every game on that map last night...
Slightly Live
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What you suggest takes a longer time to implement than simply disabling JIP.
Disabling it now gives them time to consider and implement additional changes in future. It's the smarter move since a lot folks had pretty negative experiences with it so soon.
I am impressed by the rapid response here. It's great to see it.
Did the "Pro" team test these maps at all? That kinda bad spawning shouldn't get past a single QA review.
1) why should a developer implement a system that sucks for anyone, even if it is just 1 person
2) if you are half a team down, then 4 people are going to get dragged into the JiP nonsense...
If anything JiP needs to be optional. But it definately shouldn't be forced.
Samurai G0SU
Member
I can't wait to finally have a legit session of btb this weekend. Even though i got an overwatch invite, i gotta try to go back n forth as much as possible lol. I really only had a handlful of btb games so far 
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i am sad.
.. i am sad.
wesleyshark
Banned
#blessedpeeballs
Thats true, I still think there should be more lenience for quitters on teams that are down more than half of the players.
wesleyshark
Banned
False.
I can't wait to finally have a legit session of btb this weekend. Even though i got an overwatch invite, i gotta try to go back n forth as much as possible lol. I really only had a handlful of btb games so far
i am sad.
I've only played enough to get ranked. Was planning on doing nothing but btb this weekend but I got the overwatch invite as well. So now I'll have to fit both in. So much gaming goodness.
Twilight Gap
Member
Out of the loop. Are servers down?
Samurai G0SU
Member
I see you Wesley.
Yeah i've only read good things about overwatch, so im pretty excited. I just still need to download it
....Yeah I figured. XP would make sense but not req points.
Twilight Gap
Member
nevermind #weback
0ptimusPayne
Member
I remember the days of BTB when I could get in a Warthog and shred a few guys, before meeting my inevitable death by the many power weapons on the map..Now I hop in the back of a Hog and get 5-shot by a starter weapon, and die before my buddy can even hit the gas..I hope the buff gunner seats just a bit, since they want to give out the BR death machine on spawn.
TheCanisDirus
Member
lol WTF is this... what did i miss? lol sounds... interesting?
M.Night Shamalamadimgdong twist, the servers were never up to begin with :O
Jack The Nipper
Banned
should probably put 10 br's out on the map to pick up and drop them from BR starts.
that is how it always worked in past halo's (probably less BR's though) But I enjoyed the weapons more n past halo's so it's a bit hard to judge this for myself.
Splinter turret. I think.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Yeah! I think that's why they made the hogs as rocket hogs so people who are in them can get kills a lot quicker than the normal turrent. to think if it was the gauss hog
.. rage quitters everywhere lol I'd laugh if they were just scout hogs.
Welfare
Member
Nice. Pretty fast fix.
1) Because the alternative sucks for everyone, not just 1 person.
2) Having JIP means you don't go 4 people down. That's what happens without the system.
Hopefully quitting penalties mean it's not even an issue, I'd love to have no need for JIP.
Leyasu
Banned
I would prefer to have the option of matchmaking with jip activated or deactivated. Basically let us choose. I jip'd three games last night that were all losers and i didn't give a fuck. Plus, I think that every game that I played last night had people quit and jip.
I hear all the arguments, but I can't help but be disappointed. Especially as it is always an absolute instead of a compromise...
I hear all the arguments, but I can't help but be disappointed. Especially as it is always an absolute instead of a compromise...
Samurai G0SU
Member
Perhaps it would take too many resources to have both options available? Have people only be match made with JIP and then have people who dont have it. Probably a lot of networking stuff they would have to re-create to have both living together in the matchmaking universe of halo 5: guardians multiplayer mode. something something something.
1) Developers should never purposefully implemented features that suck for well-to-do players as a means to counter bad behavior
Quitting isn't a feature. It's a non-preventable anti-social behavior. But JiP is just bad.
2) join in progress isn't instant. You will be man down, and while the JiP matchmaking is working, the opposing team is running away with a lead.
I don't see why. Seems like it would be just another parameter... For some players MM would search existing games and/or start new matches. For others MM would only start new matches.
Of course I have no idea what it takes to do any of this... Armchair developer here
RoslindaleOne
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I've JIP'd 4 games so far and 3 of the 4 were on teams winning. So, you're not always going to be joining a losing team. JIP gone in ranked BTB is fine with me, but they should get a social BTB playlist going with JIP.
I'm fine with JiP. Better then just being down the whole time in man power. What there should be is a mechanism bonus to REQ that gets implemented either to just the person joining late into a game or to the team that is down for participating till the end.
Last weekend during 2v2 games, I had my wingman drop twice right in the beginning of the match.
First game, I won against 2 players, being as sneaky as I could.
Second game, my K/D took a beating but I lasted to the bitter end.
It would have been great to have someone join up on me to help. Or else it would have been great to be given a bonus to REQ for sticking it out to the end.
Either way, when I join a game in progress, all I know is that I will do my best and the match is usually close to being over and I can get some easy REQ points.
Last weekend during 2v2 games, I had my wingman drop twice right in the beginning of the match.
First game, I won against 2 players, being as sneaky as I could.
Second game, my K/D took a beating but I lasted to the bitter end.
It would have been great to have someone join up on me to help. Or else it would have been great to be given a bonus to REQ for sticking it out to the end.
Either way, when I join a game in progress, all I know is that I will do my best and the match is usually close to being over and I can get some easy REQ points.
Samurai G0SU
Member
That's where i mention the resource part. Maybe too many man hours or people taken off their actual projects to create another parameter would be too much? idk same here. im like the sitting on the floor developer here, in the next building....
1) the "alternative", is not really an alternative, is how Halo have always been in matchmaking, JiP is a cheap and mediocre solution to solve quit problems.
2) Not Having JiP means Im not going to be trown into undesirable situations, heck, I dont want to start a Matchmaking game halfway trough no matter if the team Im joining is wining or not, I want to start the game from "0".
Squeaky wheels, and all that.
BTB needs JIP, but it needs to be better implemented. Incentivized!
No loss on your record for JIP and losing (a'la Titanfall).
Bonus XP/RP for joining, whether your team was leading or trailing.
Massive bonus XP/RP for joining a trailing team, and pulling out the V. And maybe a nice medal... The Hero of Canton!
Edit: Opt-in only. You will never JIP (and get sweet bonuses) unless you opt-in.
that's good. that's damn good.
now push the more rp button for breakout, because any decent match of that takes about the same time as any decent btb match.
No....
But we'll look at more nuanced approaches in the coming weeks. This is a clean, quick fix for the moment.
link1201
Member
JiP doesn't fix the problem it was created to fix. People will still leave and the process isn't instant. For example, I have seen tons of people join and leave when they realize they've been put into a game half over. Then by the time another solo player is found ...game over. I think it's ok in the chaotic goodness that is Warzone where the increased player count and ai can alleviate the burden of being down a player or two.
RoslindaleOne
Member
Truth. There were so many games I've played and chalked them up as a loss. Then miraculously we come back and win. That feeling.
Twilight Gap
Member
MFW I found out that you can charge up the Incinineration Cannon
Yep. What makes it hilarious to me is that it's so much easier to stage a comeback in Halo. The people quitting or Dota 2 at least have the fig leaf that with snowballing there's no way to come back.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Man, I just keep getting Slayer on BTB. That sucks, I want CTF! I'm awful at deathmatch.
I've got it.
The moment a single person leaves, the game pits each player on the smaller team against a player on the bigger team in a 1v1 pistol duel. If the bigger team wins the most duels, they win. If the smaller team wins the most duels, a random player from the smaller team is pitted in a 1v1 pistol duel against the remaining player from the bigger team that decides the game.
Even if the gametype is Grifball.
10 games of btb last night and 8 were slayer, 1 was ctf, and 1 was stronghold.
Please 343i.
TheCanisDirus
Member
Yeah... i'd actually be into that. Sign me up lol. Save for it's sudden death and each pistol only has 6 rounds... FIGHT!
Leyasu
Banned
Gotta ask what it has fixed though? Apart from being a gag for the whiners! Not saying that all the people against jip are whiners though. lol
Anyway, it is an absolute, where "perhaps" an alternative could be found. Like having a check box for those that dont mind jip. I dont know what that would take to implement though. I have really been enjoying BTB, it was even better knowing that when the inevitable "player left" would appear at the bottom of the screen, they would be replaced. Oh well.
Still, the euro servers seem to be working lovely so keep that up
RoslindaleOne
Member
Worst part is the other team figures this out and they go around killing your team instead of just winning the game.
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