Deputy Moonman
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I haven't played in the summer preview playlist much, not enough to rank anyway. It's missing those 3 maps??? Where dafuq are all the forge maps? These playlists are dying for some new maps...
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Halo 5: Guardians |OT4| You picked a helluva week to join up
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NippleViking
Banned
Reading Tom French's twitter makes me sad.
Sounds like they have so many great ideas, but not enough resources/staff or tech-spertise between the 2/3 man team to implement them properly.
Also, I know jack-all about coding and engines, but I get the distinct impression that the H5 engine's a total mess under-the-hood. You'd think given how H5 is designed to be service-like, it'd be modular and with all of the hooks. Mr. French makes it sounds like it's painfully rigid and inflexible (edit: maybe that's just the Forge proponent of the engine though?). Perhaps that's partly why Warzone bases are copy-paste - not to save on a few days of asset creation, but because the code's royally 'ucked.
Sounds like they have so many great ideas, but not enough resources/staff or tech-spertise between the 2/3 man team to implement them properly.
Also, I know jack-all about coding and engines, but I get the distinct impression that the H5 engine's a total mess under-the-hood. You'd think given how H5 is designed to be service-like, it'd be modular and with all of the hooks. Mr. French makes it sounds like it's painfully rigid and inflexible (edit: maybe that's just the Forge proponent of the engine though?). Perhaps that's partly why Warzone bases are copy-paste - not to save on a few days of asset creation, but because the code's royally 'ucked.
Feel the Swift
Member
I hope not lol.
sir_dany12
Member
I thought they said the engine was very flexible.
I think that has to do with the few people that are still working on Halo 5. It's really a SMALL team. Really small.
I get the opposite reaction. It sounds like they improved a bunch of aspects of the engine to allow more modular developments. Back in Reach, you couldn't add armor. Now they can add Forge blocks, armor, weapons, gametypes, and even campaign adjustments. I'm guessing there's an internal cap that they implemented themselves to prevent data streaming from taking too long. At this point, I'd also guess that there's only 30-40 people working on sustain. All hands on deck for Halo Wars 2 internal testing and Halo 6 development.
Team Arena will only include Pro League gametypes once they are finalized... Which is a good thing IMO.
The big drawback to this is that if you like objective gametypes you're gonna be lacking some variety for sure.
I'd love a social playlist that included all the maps and gametypes to make up for it
Id even try wacky stuff like fathom strongholds or some shit lol throw it all in there
The big drawback to this is that if you like objective gametypes you're gonna be lacking some variety for sure.
I'd love a social playlist that included all the maps and gametypes to make up for it
Id even try wacky stuff like fathom strongholds or some shit lol throw it all in there
Deputy Moonman
Member
Had to get 15 kills before the game would level me to 5... I always get put on the shittiest warzone teams. And fuck vehicles, especially banshees. Cheapest vehicles in the game.
I get the opposite impression actually. It seems to me that the continued improvements to Forge indicate a rather flexible engine... It just sounds like they had to do a ton of ground work to get it that way.
Still, being a developer is hard work no matter how good the engine is.
That's said, I wish 343i would do more to help highlight how awesome forge is. French's small team are the unsung heroes of this game.
sir_dany12
Member
It's around that or even more small.
That's why they copy bases and only release a few arena maps. It's not the engine. They just don't have the man power to do more.
Banshees. Are. Awesome.
Only annoyance is the overall agressive flip move, but if you have only 2 people shooting a Banshee, it will be down in no time.
Agree with everything except Gametypes. In that Infection article from Gameinformer, they said that they can't easily port Gametypes over from older games, because of how the current engine works. I mean, it really shows. We still don't have 1 sided Objectives and other Gametypes took 4 and 7 months to be back in the game respectively.
Here is the quote in question:
The Jackdog
Member
im just hoping whatever they did with the engine isnt gonna have to be REDONE with H6.
Another halo launching with no gametypes is no me gusta
Another halo launching with no gametypes is no me gusta
I think (and hope) that H6 is going to be a very iterative sequel. They've got a gameplay formula which works very well, now all they need to do is add content and polish it up a bit (read: remove Spartan charge).
I'm just saying they can add base modes to the game. Reach megalo gametypes were all variations of a base gametype. With Halo 5 they can actually add Infection as a base mode.
sir_dany12
Member
Agree.
Also, they have to redo all the gametypes.
That doesn't mean the Engine isn't flexible at all. Only means it has no compatibility with the older engine.
The Halo community is pretty funny.
Prior to Halo 5 release: "You can't just make the same game over and over again. It will not work."
After Halo 5 release: "They should keep Halo 6 the same as Halo 5. It will work!"
I noticed this a lot recently and I kinda agree with it. "Don't fix things that aren't broken.", but you guys know this probably won't be the reality. Brace yourself for possibly more abilities.
I see. Yeah, I don't know how it previously worked and if Bungie could have added completely new base modes.
Agreed, but I don't think they need to remove Spartan charge, just allow for a counter... If I approach a corner cautiously, with gun at the ready and someone else comes sprinting aimlessly, I shouldn't be at the disadvantage.
Obviously they'll make some changes... Just like every halo game before it. But there doesn't seem to be a need to completely alter the gameplay (halo 4) or completely reengineer the engine (halo 5).
Halo6 should be 343i's opportunity to build on what's already there instead of starting from scratch... Again.
ZeezbruhTV
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Yep foundation has been poured, with firefight and race the walls will be almost finished. Then you gotta add a roof and make it all look purty.
You don't need to tell me. I love how Halo 5 plays, because the map and gameplay designs are mostly on point. I'd not love drastic changes again, like we had from 3 -> Reach -> 4.
And completely agree on the 2nd part. Hope they can do that, because that would probably save them a coupple ressources, which they could use elsewhere. My favourite example is still the File Share/Browser, which they are working on for the 3rd time now.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Unlocked spnkr prime this morning. oh my that is fun to run around with. I'll upload a clip later lol. Also unlocked the legendary binary rifle. Only i don't really like using the binary rifle in general. The laser sight which is visible to everyone is annoying.
Hence the shitty team comment. But I've always had a disdain for vehicles in halo dating back to Halo 3 when Bungie made them true killing machines.
Hence the shitty team comment. But I've always had a disdain for vehicles in halo dating back to Halo 3 when Bungie made them true killing machines.
Forerunner
Member
I don't mind SC that much, but there are a few things at pisses me off about it. Sometimes if you get charged from the front your characters get "stunned" or something. I don't know if it's lag or what, but there is a split second you can't aim or shoot and the guy will most likely be able to kill you because of this.
The other things is the auto track on it. Again, someone charges you from the front. I wait and try to use my thrusters to dodge it. Nope, the thing has like an auto aim and you still get hit.
Other than those two issues, it really doesn't bother me.
The other things is the auto track on it. Again, someone charges you from the front. I wait and try to use my thrusters to dodge it. Nope, the thing has like an auto aim and you still get hit.
Other than those two issues, it really doesn't bother me.
sir_dany12
Member
Yeah that the knock 'back feature'If you get hit from the front, your stun is longer than the recovery for the person doing the Spartan change.
It's annoying because it rewards sprinting into action when really, the person with his gun up should be at the advantage. I think that if a person performs a normal melee to someone Spartan charging, the effects should be reversed in favor of the person who wasn't sprinting.
I've been wondering if there would be a way to make Spartan charge countering via a well-timed melee strike worktake some damage but reflect most of it back on the enemy player so they'd be at the disadvantage. It sounds good on paper but sword clashing at least never really made for engaging fights, so I dunno if it would actually work.
sir_dany12
Member
Nice shots dude!
SmartWaffles
Member
Make it more easily dodgeable, currently either side-thrust or back thrust works but the timing is pretty small and any amount of lag would make it almost impossible.
It think it would work much better than the sword clashes, because folks immediately revert to using guns after the stun animations.
If both players are one shot after making contact, then the survivor is the one who gets the kill shot off quickest.
if someone properly times a melee, they should be rewarded with instant recovery time. If not, then let the SCer recover first...
Also, I think they should remove 'magnetism' from SC completely. If the person can't keep the reticle directly on the target, they should whiff
Fair and Fun matchmaking
please give us a proper social playlist or a lone wolves playlist ffs. Games like that are over before they start and it happens way too often.
please give us a proper social playlist or a lone wolves playlist ffs. Games like that are over before they start and it happens way too often.
User 73706
Banned
One adjustment I was thinking about would be to make players way more vulnerable to backsmacks during the Spartan Charge animation - as is it's like a 90-degree radius or so where a melee attack will be an instakill, but you could up that to like 180 (or even 270) during the lunge / strike so people who sidestep in time could make quick work of them.
Forerunner
Member
At least your Gamertag is accurate. RIP indeed.
That's exactly why I changed it lmao
Of course I wwanted my GT to start with Strider too buuuut RIP was very fitting.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I've heard stories about it, the legends. I just never thought I'd finally pull it off.
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/GringoSuave89/video/17800503
Thank God for the rando that got the other guy haha
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/GringoSuave89/video/17800503
Thank God for the rando that got the other guy haha
Haha I think I've pulled that off once in my entire Halo career. At least I no longer fall prey to it.
GringoSuave89
Banned
Yeah, its always been one of those things I can never pull off. Needless to say I hooted and hollered when I did it hahaha
From the Forge thread:
The guy that made the dorm room map also remade Lockout and Guardian. At the same time, on the same map.
The guy that made the dorm room map also remade Lockout and Guardian. At the same time, on the same map.
I think the ninja is supposed to be the highlight here (and it was impressive)
But the splinter nade obliteration you witnessed from the death screen is what really got my attention.
What a mindfuck this is to watch. I wanna play it
That's cool, but before I clicked on it I thought that meant he had Forged both maps in the same space, and you could be fighting a team game on both maps at the same time.
Also Spartan Charge is fine. Why are you guys not backing up and shooting them?
It should kill in one hit from Speed Boost and from one hit with a Hammer, Sword or bayonetted weapon. Lacking the situational awareness to see a charge coming is enough of a justification for the punishment it entails.
It should kill in one hit from Speed Boost and from one hit with a Hammer, Sword or bayonetted weapon. Lacking the situational awareness to see a charge coming is enough of a justification for the punishment it entails.
Samurai G0SU
Member
That is so awesome. I hope i see it in some type of match making.
My issue with it is the behavior it encourages...
I'm generally fine with sprint being in the game, but sprinting around corners is never something that should be rewarded. With regards to backing up and shooting, that's fine works often, but network conditions make the lunge distance appear inconsistent, therefore tough to judge. There should be a network nuetral counter to it...
I don't really care about 1HKs in Warzone, so have at it I say. But Spartan Charge has currently an annoying existence in Arena.
Fitting that the engineering lab I'm going to be working in for part of the summer is in room 117
My muscle memory would kill me in this map, looks bananas (in a good way)
My muscle memory would kill me in this map, looks bananas (in a good way)