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Halo 5: Guardians |OT4| You picked a helluva week to join up

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The Flash

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FUNKNOWN iXi said:
You want sprint because you like fast paced shooters, then you mention how DOOM doesn't have it, but you expect us to know what you mean.

So no.. I don't know what you mean :b -- You can clearly have fast paced shooters without sprint. In fact, it's easily arguable that shooters can be more fast paced without sprint artificially slowing combat down: you can't shoot while sprinting, and people sprint away from battles all the time.
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There you go. Told ya I knew you'd know what I meant.

FyreWulff said:
Show of hands, how many people have a working 360? Doesn't have to be specifically hooked up, just in your possession.
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Ayy
 
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FyreWulff

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Karl2177 said:
Yeah. I still have those Bungie vs the world maps that you wanted also.
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Yep, this is that thing. It got totally fucking delayed, lol. I'll be sending out PMs soon for a beta test. Everyone will need Halo 3 for phase 1 and Reach for phase 2 (which will be soon) and Halo 4 after that (don't know when, I have to figure out TU issues with that one)
 
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Valhalla Rapids

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FUNKNOWN iXi said:
ADS on the Pistol is unnecessary. I wanted to test a 5sk Pistol with a 2x zoom by combining the CE Pistol and H5 Pistol, but couldn't get it to work. It's a shame how the H5 Pistol only has the increased ammo variant but none with a classic zoom, energy bullets, silencer, etc. like the other loadout weapons received.

You want sprint because you like fast paced shooters, then you mention how DOOM doesn't have it, but you expect us to know what you mean.

So no.. I don't know what you mean :b -- You can clearly have fast paced shooters without sprint. In fact, it's easily arguable that shooters can be more fast paced without sprint artificially slowing combat down: you can't shoot while sprinting, and people sprint away from battles all the time.
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thats why i dislike sprint.
 
FUNKNOWN iXi

FUNKNOWN iXi

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Leyasu said:
I love everything except the radar sometimes. People were crouching around corners in super fiesta at the weekend ffs. Like wtf lol
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Halo is exponentially better without radar. That freedom of movement without an OP radar is a beautiful thing. From the most casual of gametypes to the sweatiest of competitive matches, not having your movement gimped and allowing your attention to focus on the game's feedback systems is the right choice.

But trying to preach the good word to radar heathens is like trying to show Trump supporters the errors in their ways. We, those who want Halo to be better, understand that we must attack from within, building a force behind the lines to make actual change. Speaking of which, progress report Tashi. PM me. Can Halo 6 be saved?
 
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Trup1aya

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FUNKNOWN iXi said:
Halo is exponentially better without radar. That freedom of movement without an OP radar is a beautiful thing. From the most casual of gametypes to the sweatiest of competitive matches, not having your movement gimped and allowing your attention to focus on the game's feedback systems is the right choice.

But trying to preach the good word to radar heathens is like trying to show Trump supporters the errors in their ways. We, those who want Halo to be better, understand that we must attack from within, building a force behind the lines to make actual change. Speaking of which, progress report Tashi. PM me. Can Halo 6 be saved?
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Halo is better with radar, IMO, but I don't see how you can say it's better for everyone. Some people just like it, and actually want it to be MORE powerful.

I think straight removing it from Halo6 would piss a lot of people off.
 
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Trup1aya

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SmartWaffles said:
They can keep the radar, but move it to sound based would be better than a motion tracker.
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I'd like that. I also wouldn't mind it being Spartan Ability based. Also wouldn't mind it being removed, but since I'm in the minority, I don't think it would be good for the Games population.
 
Ozzy Onya A2Z

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How do the H5 pros/teams feel about radar these days? It feels like a great compromise from history of default vs MLG. I think the H5 sandbox is too fast without radar, you'd have too many deaths of WTF just happened, fuck this game and I quit.

Population has been consolidated in playlists, settings near universal and it's working for Halo IMO.

Now take the idea of no radar across the board, do you feel that would increase population for Arena and/or WZ? I don't think it would.
 
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Trup1aya

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Ozzy Onya A2Z said:
How do the H5 pros/teams feel about radar these days? It feels like a great compromise from history of default vs MLG. I think the H5 sandbox is too fast without radar, you'd have too many deaths of WTF just happened, fuck this game and I quit.

Population has been consolidated in playlists, settings near universal and it's working for Halo IMO.

Now take the idea of no radar across the board, do you feel that would increase population for Arena and/or WZ? I don't think it would.
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The pros were split on radar. Some said it should be gone completely. Others have said that with all the movement mechanics, it would be much harder to predict and track player movements.

I wonder if that has changed any since they are all now more familiar with the maps.

If they pulled radar from Arena and Warzone tommorow, it would definitely have a negative impact on the Games population.
 
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FUNKNOWN iXi

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I think it could have a long-term positive impact on Halo's population once people grow accustomed to it. Maybe even immediate once word gets out to those who stopped playing or play less due to the lack of party matching, for example, as no radar empowers solo players against coordinated teams. Not having your every move dictated by communicating enemies is a feeling I'd like more Halo fans to experience for an extended period of time.

EDIT: Are Halo 5's maps too complicated that people will cluelessly waltz around until standing directly in front of an enemy? Are the feedback systems that poor and underdeveloped that players won't know if there's an enemy about to ground pound or that there could be danger where red x's are? Are Halo players unable to adapt to such a change? Are Halo players unable to focus on objectives and their surroundings without radar? Personally, I think Halo players would be just fine without radar. And take into consideration other competitive shooters without radar, players do just fine in those.
 
Ozzy Onya A2Z

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You know Funknown if it granted me more solo beast mode without radar you might just sell me on it. My experience with no radar from H3 MLG days was the opposite due to intense map route coverage and team comms. Perhaps H5 is different. I don't think I would enjoy WZ with no radar though.
 
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IHaveIce

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Lmao I really did miss Funknown's delusional posts about no radar and how earth would be the center of the known universe if Halo would be completely without radar.
 
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Trup1aya

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FUNKNOWN iXi said:
I think it could have a long-term positive impact on Halo's population once people grow accustomed to it. Maybe even immediate once word gets out to those who stopped playing or play less due to the lack of party matching, for example, as no radar empowers solo players against coordinated teams. Not having your every move dictated by communicating enemies is a feeling I'd like more Halo fans to experience for an extended period of time.

EDIT: Are Halo 5's maps too complicated that people will cluelessly waltz around until standing directly in front of an enemy? Are the feedback systems that poor and underdeveloped that players won't know if there's an enemy about to ground pound or that there could be danger where red x's are? Are Halo players unable to adapt to such a change? Are Halo players unable to focus on objectives and their surroundings without radar? Personally, I think Halo players would be just fine without radar. And take into consideration other competitive shooters without radar, players do just fine in those.
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I think this is extremely wishful thinking. The more likely scenario: players reject yet another dramatic change by 343, made in an effort to appeal to 'MLG Pros', robbing Halo of one of its trademark features to make it more like "other shooters". Even though I feel no radar would make halo play better competitively, you have to understand that is not neccisarily something a lot of people value.

It's not like we haven't had radar-free playlists in Halo before. The masses NEVER migrated to these playlists.

Regarding your edit, the maps themselves are not any more complex than previou, it's that the movement options empower players to with so many more routes and manuevers that it makes it much harder to anticipate your opponents moves, when compared to previous games. This was the message from pro players after extensively testing 4v4 without radar.

You can't just say No-radar works in other shooters so it should work in halo too. That's the kind of logic that brought us Halo 4.
 
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Forerunner

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It's like clockwork, never change GAF!

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belushy

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SCHUEY F1 said:
I like sprint and ADS and have played Halo since day 1...*shrugs.
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Same. I've played Halo 5 enough to not really care about sprint or ADS, funny when I was ready to rage quit Halo when the original gameplay leaks for h5 happened lol.... Only thing that bothers me consistently is spartan charge.
 
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jdouglas

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It's been years since I've posted in a Halo thread, but I still don't understand why Bungie fundamentally changed a successful game formula, with 343 insisting on perpetuating it. Like, did they not see/compare matchmaking numbers?
 
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op_ivy

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Leyasu said:
I love everything except the radar sometimes. People were crouching around corners in super fiesta at the weekend ffs. Like wtf lol
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radar is something i'm honestly unsure of, as i've never given no radar a proper chance in halo. i've been using radar since ce and have grown accustomed to it. i like how crouch plays a role in movement with radar. when hardcore game modes came with no radar, that alone made sure i never played them, it was simply too much for me to want to adjust too, especially with the radar mode just a click away. i'm thrilled there is no separation between radar and no radar playlists in halo 5. i get my ranked mode without having to learn new mechanics. having the experience be consistent across the board, including map settings, is fantastic and something i really hope they stick with moving forward. i'm not 100% dead set on the default radar, would be open to suggested changes (like spartan abilities showing up on it only), and even would be open to learning to play halo without a radar at all, but again, only if they don't also give me the crutch of playing in a playlist where i dont have to.
 
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Samurai G0SU

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op_ivy said:
radar is something i'm honestly unsure of, as i've never given no radar a proper chance in halo. i've been using radar since ce and have grown accustomed to it. i like how crouch plays a role in movement with radar. when hardcore game modes came with no radar, that alone made sure i never played them, it was simply too much for me to want to adjust too, especially with the radar mode just a click away. i'm thrilled there is no separation between radar and no radar playlists in halo 5. i get my ranked mode without having to learn new mechanics. having the experience be consistent across the board, including map settings, is fantastic and something i really hope they stick with moving forward. i'm not 100% dead set on the default radar, would be open to suggested changes (like spartan abilities showing up on it only), and even would be open to learning to play halo without a radar at all, but again, only if they don't also give me the crutch of playing in a playlist where i dont have to.
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i think others have already mentioned this, but i think i want to repeat some changes that might work...

Radar will show a Bright red dot when spartans are Sprinting or using abilities. They show as normal red dot when walking/jumping at normal speed. they are hidden when crouching.

Maybe the bright red dot will have some type of fast-pulsing indicator to let you know that nub is trying to ground pound you.
 
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op_ivy

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Samurai G0SU said:
i think others have already mentioned this, but i think i want to repeat some changes that might work...

Radar will show a Bright red dot when spartans are Sprinting or using abilities. They show as normal red dot when walking/jumping at normal speed. they are hidden when crouching.

Maybe the bright red dot will have some type of fast-pulsing indicator to let you know that nub is trying to ground pound you.
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that sounds like a more informative and powerful radar. not sure thats what most people are talking about when suggesting changes to halo's radar system. i think people would rather have ONLY spartan abilities show up (possibly shooting?). so you can move through the map not on radar so long as you arent "flying" (sliding, thrusting, and sprinting (?)
 
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Vico

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Been playing puzzle maps this last week in custom games, and I'm totally addicted and want to find more. Some of what the guys are doing with the scripting options are damn impressive.
 
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Samurai G0SU

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op_ivy said:
that sounds like a more informative and powerful radar. not sure thats what most people are talking about when suggesting changes to halo's radar system. i think people would rather have ONLY spartan abilities show up (possibly shooting?). so you can move through the map not on radar so long as you arent "flying" (sliding, thrusting, and sprinting (?)
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camping while moving at normal speed seems like an unfair advantage in halo 5. i think if they remove the normal speed movement from radar, we may see more camping involved. I think we need sprint to show differently on radar as it is the cause of complaints around spartan charge and running away.

With the radar giving more information, maybe those people who can't dodge a spartan charge will now notice someone sprinting around the corner. this could allow them to dodge or do something else. At the moment, they are just the same color whatever speed they go.

IDK, id like to see how that would play in a real life scenario and also see the other suggestion where only abilities and shooting show up.

i just get a bad gut feeling when i think about normal speed movement removed from radar. reminds me of
breakout

As of right now, idc about radar much when playing arena. i care more about fixing matchmaking so i dont pair up against full teams or parties of 2+ when i solo que.
 
BizzyBum

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Why does everyone I face in FFA never miss? I'm not even that high of a rank and everyone I match up against are a bunch of royal 2's.
 
FUNKNOWN iXi

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IHaveIce said:
Lmao I really did miss Funknown's delusional posts about no radar and how earth would be the center of the known universe if Halo would be completely without radar.
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What's delusional about my posts? I think it's naive to say with certainty (key word there because no one can be sure one way or the other) that removing radar would have a negative impact on population when there are gameplay benefits to be achieved from removing it. I've provided tons of examples over the years as to how radar causes bad habits and limits the potential of creative play, especially with lesser skilled players who disregard other systems like friendly indicators under fire just because they're focused on 5% screen estate with red dots.

The main argument people latch onto against removing radar is how Halo would die without it.. I mean, how fickle do people think Halo fans are? It's crazy to me how some think radar is the main thing keeping people invested in Halo lol.

EDIT: SWAT, for example, is one of the most popular playlists in Halo and it doesn't have radar, so what's the reasoning for that? For sure it's a combination of reasons, but it's safe to believe no radar is one of them.
 
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FUNKNOWN iXi said:
What's delusional about my posts? I think it's naive to say with certainty (key word there because no one can be sure one way or the other) that removing radar would have a negative impact on population when there are gameplay benefits to be achieved from removing it. I've provided tons of examples over the years as to how radar causes bad habits and limits the potential of creative play, especially with lesser skilled players who disregard other systems like friendly indicators under fire just because they're focused on 5% screen estate with red dots.

The main argument people latch onto against removing radar is how Halo would die without it.. I mean, how fickle do people think Halo fans are? It's crazy to me how some think radar is the main thing keeping people invested in Halo lol.
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It makes ninjas harder and Moose isn't okay with that.
 
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jdouglas said:
It's been years since I've posted in a Halo thread, but I still don't understand why Bungie fundamentally changed a successful game formula, with 343 insisting on perpetuating it. Like, did they not see/compare matchmaking numbers?
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there is no population counter. so 343 can say whatever they want.

like a while back BRavo said something about halo 5 having h3 levels of people online, and without actual numbers... its a moot point or a right out lie.
 
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Valhalla Rapids said:
there is no population counter. so 343 can say whatever they want.

like a while back BRavo said something about halo 5 having h3 levels of people online, and without actual numbers... its a moot point or a right out lie.
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Yeah, because they will lie about that.
Man, you hate 343, we know it.
And he said halo 5 had the most concurrent players after Halo 3
 
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Valhalla Rapids

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sir_dany12 said:
Yeah, because they will lie about that.
Man, you hate 343, we know it.
And he said halo 5 had the most concurrent players after Halo 3
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I know for like 60% its not a lie but they dont have any way of actually backing up that metric with hard numbers? then why should they be believed.

and i dont care if any of you know i dislike 343. its no skin off my nose. I like HALO. i dont have to give a shit about the company that makes it. Just like i like STAR WARS, but i dislike Disney.
 
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Valhalla Rapids said:
I know for like 60% its not a lie but they dont have any way of actually backing up that metric with hard numbers? then why should they be believed.

and i dont care if any of you know i dislike 343. its no skin off my nose. I like HALO. i dont have to give a shit about the company that makes it. Just like i like STAR WARS, but i dislike Disney.
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If you noticed, recently none of the major FPS has a player counter. I don't know if any recent FPS actually has it.
I don't think they would about it. What you they win by lying on a post on reddit? Nothing, I think.

I don't care if you dislike 343 either :p
 
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