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Halo |OT 20| It really does feel like Halo
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Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Me said:
Don't tell me what I find fun.
Radar is a tool. I find using it, and abusing it, both fun.
TriStateTryHard
Member
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I'am 100% with Ozzy on this one.
The fact you guys absolutely detest any minor change that gets made to Halo,
and the are sitting here requesting a staple of Halo gameplay get removed is just straight out bizarre to me.
The motion tracker has been in Halo since the beginning, motiontrackerless gametypes should just continue to be a voting option in playlists NOT THE STANDARD.
To be fair, FUNKNOWN has been suggesting wonky shenanigans like throwing thruster packs into CE.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
vDon't tell me what I find fun.
Radar is a tool. I find using it, and abusing it, both fun.
This is what I was addressing.
I will end you.
EDIT:
Do I though or are you just generalizing all people who oppose motion tracker in this discussion?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I can't wait to play Halo with a headset finally. I'm already good at whoring, now I can sound whore too.
generalizing the people in the conversation
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
@Funknown, I don't get it when radar enables a differing style of play that still includes awareness, action/reaction, communication, baiting/feinting and creates a stealth/alert system on top of that. It's not just camping by any means. Given that one could argue no radar just creates no stealth and always running gameplay and is not effective for BTB nor 5v5 on mid-large maps either, the more default style of Halo IMO.
How about vehicle play in general? Radar is very useful against vehicles, perhaps not something many in favour of no radar really play?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1xn2OhwWiU
Take this clip, you've seen it here before, where it's not camping gameplay at all. I attack the enemy base, crouch/stealth on the upper edge for the right moment, communicate to my team mates 3 enemies in base and I'm about to take the flag, move into a height position/alert the enemies I'm now on radar, use grenades and enemy movement prediction to gain the advantage I want and then wait to auto-pickup the flag for a slight pause while I kill two pickup flag and finish for the triple kill on the defenders then steal the flag all the way back for a capture while they sit and respawn.
Not fast kill times? Not skilled? Not working with my team? Not playing the objective? Camping in one spot for easy kills? All negated by this single gameplay clip.
Now had this have been a MLG style setting, as you suggest, we would not have seen vehicles in play causing a distraction so I can get in to position, no stealth & no radar on so I can play for the advantage I want, the enemies would not have been alerted to me attacking the base...I could keep going.
The facts are both radar and no radar are valid and great ways to play Halo. To suggest radar on Halo is some how less skilled and all Halo should have radar off is plain nuts IMO. Further the maps and game settings are quite different, default objective on Valhalla or Standoff or Relic is worlds away from Midship MLG. Playlists should stay how they are nowadays.
PS - I've been playing with a headset for donkeys, completely agree sound and awareness trump radar/motion tracker. Still want radar on though Also clip being Halo 4 doesn't matter this style of offensive stealth in objective has been with me since CE/2 days.
How about vehicle play in general? Radar is very useful against vehicles, perhaps not something many in favour of no radar really play?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1xn2OhwWiU
Take this clip, you've seen it here before, where it's not camping gameplay at all. I attack the enemy base, crouch/stealth on the upper edge for the right moment, communicate to my team mates 3 enemies in base and I'm about to take the flag, move into a height position/alert the enemies I'm now on radar, use grenades and enemy movement prediction to gain the advantage I want and then wait to auto-pickup the flag for a slight pause while I kill two pickup flag and finish for the triple kill on the defenders then steal the flag all the way back for a capture while they sit and respawn.
Not fast kill times? Not skilled? Not working with my team? Not playing the objective? Camping in one spot for easy kills? All negated by this single gameplay clip.
Now had this have been a MLG style setting, as you suggest, we would not have seen vehicles in play causing a distraction so I can get in to position, no stealth & no radar on so I can play for the advantage I want, the enemies would not have been alerted to me attacking the base...I could keep going.
The facts are both radar and no radar are valid and great ways to play Halo. To suggest radar on Halo is some how less skilled and all Halo should have radar off is plain nuts IMO. Further the maps and game settings are quite different, default objective on Valhalla or Standoff or Relic is worlds away from Midship MLG. Playlists should stay how they are nowadays.
PS - I've been playing with a headset for donkeys, completely agree sound and awareness trump radar/motion tracker. Still want radar on though
Also clip being Halo 4 doesn't matter this style of offensive stealth in objective has been with me since CE/2 days.Switching from TV sound to headset sound was akin to switching from SDtv to HDtv. IT's that much of a difference.
After playing with headphones for years going back to a LAN party or playing split screen anywhere is a nightmare. You end up twitching and jumping at every grenade sound.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Great read, now onto Parts 1 & 2. Thanks for sharing.
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Alright, I need some flarking headphones. Why aren't any wireless on the Xbox One? ;\
Nintendont
Banned
You're basically buying an advantage though. How is that more "skillful"?
Agree with you well and truly on this one Ozzy.
Though I'd prefer the range of the radar be decreased from what it was in Halo 4, and vertical indicators removed.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Orochinagis
Member
I always take a look of the radar in any gametype, that awareness is really helpul when I decide to charge and go for the melees and use the same radar to trick them to follow me and give my team a window to attack from another angle.
In Reach active camo era I usually used it below or above the enemy plane and scramble their radar
People are pretty clueless without radar, I think the only one who can "hear" me are the ones using headsets.
Yep, I have these and they are damn good.
Gnome Scat
Member
Are you sure, I don't think I've posted that many times. Maybe it was those Metal Gear hype threads that boosted me up so quick...
Edit: I'm at 354, so I guess it was the hype threads.
Excellent links, looks like Active Camo was intentionally designed to be as intricate as it is in Halo CE, and quick camo isn't really a glitch, so much as a byproduct of an interesting design algorithm. The camo values on power weapons and the Pistol are different so that you don't go back into Camo as quickly after firing, and the "glitch" of shooting to get into it quicker doesn't work either. But, with the short range weapons, their camo values are changed to support ambush tactics with that side of the weapon sandbox, so the possibly unintentional byproduct of this was shooting to get into camo, or switching to a close range weapon after firing from the other 3 (power/ranged weps) to get into camo (AKA quick camo).
I always thought there was more behind it, because how intuitive it seemed that only the short range weaponry benefited from quick camo, which is why you drop your trusty Pistol for a close range weapon if you pick up Snipers or Rockets.
The Pistol talk is fascinating as well, Bullet spread for noobs, but skilled players will learn to pull the trigger at the right pace to get perfect accuracy at essentially the same high fire rate. Sounds like he would have liked to push the gunplay model a tad bit further into what Shadowrun does with pacing and bullet spread. Although the Shadowrun Rifle is essentially like the CE pistol in that you can shoot it exceedingly fast with high accuracy so long as you pull the trigger for every shot and aren't moving. In CE the movement part is thrown out the window, but the shot pacing and requirement to pull the trigger instead of hold it is still there.
Halo CE is really a marvelous specimen of game design. It probably helped that they weren't too many voices in the room, or focus tested/market pressures to get the smart guys to change the finer details that only high level players would notice and respect anyway.
nah
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
One of my big pet peeves is calling people "scrubs" because they use gameplay systems. Using ALL the tools available to you (including radar) makes someone good at Halo, not intentionally ignoring one system because in your head it makes you a scrub.
You could make a good argument that radar just allows better players to abuse worse ones even more.
TriStateTryHard
Member
It's not really about better or worse but about agressive or passive. Do you want to reward players for corner camping and duck walking across the entire map or do you want to reward players for simultaneously strafing and shooting while fluidly moving throughout the map's various positions.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
People who use radar are scrubs.
People who use ammo counters are scrubs.
People who use health indicators are scrubs.
People who use reticles are scrubs.
People who use wireless are scrubs.
Etc.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Eh, that read as more of a joke to me.
YourExWife
Member
Can't be a sneaky beaver with radar. Forced to be a sneaky duck.
BeamImpact
Member
I rarely find people camping in corners with a shotgun watching the radar nonstop, i wouldnt say this is a very common thing
Besides that even if being common this could easily be solved by getting away from those super small close combat maps to some open and exposed maps
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Nice, that price though. Probably worth it, but now I need for Microsoft to allow some settings for voice through speakers & headset as a system setting. It's my main hesitation right now since I want to stream for Halo and would like for my friends' voices to be heard, even though no one will be watching ;b
That quacked me up.
EDIT:
You must have skimmed over Ozzy's posts.
iJest <3
ViewtifulJC
Banned
whatever mix's op is, its gonna be inferior to our current one, so why even worry like that
Deputy Moonman
Member
Off-topic, but I was wondering what I should do about my Sunset Overdrive bundle I preordered. Not sure what gamestop policies are for stuff like this, but with the price reduction for xbox one bundles going live on Nov 2nd, should i cancel the preorder or is too late lol? I could save 50 dollars by waiting another 5 days or so. Or I should just get it and enjoy the game tomorrow.
yeah, I got it. was more so looking for an outlet to to freak out about something else, just superimposed it on the OT.
long day makes for a whiny Mix.
Technically you can, but it's a dick move. Working for the company, I understand how frustrating something like that can be. They should have waited to announce this until like the 30th
Son of Sam
Banned
On the topic of motion sensor... either they adopt a COD type radar or just get rid of it altogether.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Yeah. MS really wants to win November and December sales, but they should have made the announcement for a price change beginning in early October and had it start with the release of Sunset Overdrive. That would have lined up everything perfectly. Originally, I thought the only way to get the SO bundle was by preordering it. If it was gonna be made available as a regular unit, I wouldn't have preordered and then could have made my decision on whether to wait or or not without gamestop being involved. Personally, I think gamestop should honor the price change, but that's just me.
EDIT: Sorry I edited lol.
Okay, yeah, the price drop lining up with the release of SO would've been way smarter.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
I like using radar
I agree with you, I just hear this argument sometimes that radar helps poor players and I actually think it can make it worse for them.
Stop preordering. Wait until day 1 release or a sale and walk in and buy it. Handing stores money so you can help them sort out their orders and inventory with nothing but some gimmicky shit in return is not worth it. You lose way too much purchasing power when you preorder, it's not worth "Mtn Dew Dorito Sword" Preorder bonus #35.
I agree with you to a point. If you're okay with gambling on it, then sure don't pre-order if you don't to, but you miss out on free shit as well as a guaranteed copy of the game. whether you pay it off or put 5 bucks down, I think it's always worth it. Super Smash Bros. came out like 3 weeks ago and we only got 15 copies more than what was pre-ordered and they were gone in like an hour that night. We just got in a shipment of like 20 copies yesterday. To me, it's worth the security of making sure you get a copy.
Deputy Moonman
Member
I was under the impression that the only way to get a white xbox one was by preordering the sunset overdrive bundle. Not exactly the same thing. I never preorder anything fyi - this is might be the first time ever for me.