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Halo |OT 20| It really does feel like Halo
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FrakkinFordy
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I am (Scotland - land of Irn Bru, Haggis and casual racism).
Slightly Live
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The only reviewer that matters.
Blue Ninja
Member
Sorry for dragging this up after ten pages, I'd missed the reply.
There isn't a reason from the books - fixing a rampant AI is impossible.
It's a line from the Halo 4 campaign, which came out of nowhere. Cortanta said that Halsey could fix her in person by making a copy of her neural net.
343 DO have an out here though, making it not technically a retcon - previous mentions of fixing rampant AIs being impossible could be explained because no known cannon AI has ever had their original donor brain still be alive before. Halsey illegally flash cloned herself to create Cortana. So 343 can handwave previous statements away, as it was "impossible" without that.
We also know there are at least two more flash cloned Halsey brains in storage by Oni, which could be used to create another Cortana. So 343 have several outs for Cortana's death. However, I'd suggest the Librarian and using the living Halsey are the most likely ones, as they're the outs that 343 integrated into Halo 4's plot, rather than ones that only exist in (relatively) obscure printed lore from Bungie/Nylund.
There isn't a reason from the books - fixing a rampant AI is impossible.
It's a line from the Halo 4 campaign, which came out of nowhere. Cortanta said that Halsey could fix her in person by making a copy of her neural net.
343 DO have an out here though, making it not technically a retcon - previous mentions of fixing rampant AIs being impossible could be explained because no known cannon AI has ever had their original donor brain still be alive before. Halsey illegally flash cloned herself to create Cortana. So 343 can handwave previous statements away, as it was "impossible" without that.
We also know there are at least two more flash cloned Halsey brains in storage by Oni, which could be used to create another Cortana. So 343 have several outs for Cortana's death. However, I'd suggest the Librarian and using the living Halsey are the most likely ones, as they're the outs that 343 integrated into Halo 4's plot, rather than ones that only exist in (relatively) obscure printed lore from Bungie/Nylund.
Long Drong
Member
I just saw the documentary.
It is funny as a Spaniard I can't relate to the beginning, the 'multiplayer revolution', we were playing LAN and online many years before Halo/Halo2.
And the hype on release, we just get a call from the clerk a few days before the release date: 'yo, we just got Halo 2, you can come and pick it up', never made a line for a game.
It is funny as a Spaniard I can't relate to the beginning, the 'multiplayer revolution', we were playing LAN and online many years before Halo/Halo2.
And the hype on release, we just get a call from the clerk a few days before the release date: 'yo, we just got Halo 2, you can come and pick it up', never made a line for a game.
Blue Ninja
Member
Just think that the negativity and nasty comments (usually) come from people who truly care about the franchise.
Except for Ragnarok, he's just a dick.
I kid because I love.
orichalcos
Member
Because i have the game, i know this scene.
Thank god there's a huge selection of maps. It's going to be nice when we can load up an entire custom session and not have to play stuff like NASCAR just to have fun.
Oh, well it was shown in the documentary.
Or was it... I can't remember.
I think I need a nap. My brain isn't working very well.
Captain Friendo
Neo Member
Hmmmm
You allowed to tell us if it was prologue or epilogue?
yingyangryder
Neo Member
Video won't load. Just constant spinning
Same here, is there any other way we can watch it?
I'm not in the States or Europe and I don't have an Xbox One yet.
Always thought of going, maybe next time they come to Toronto.
Terminals tell the story of the Arbiter.
Couple quick questions? Is the bug with the digital MCC fixed? The one where it keeps redownloading the same stuff over again (or was this ever a thing, lol)?
Also, is the 20gb patch available for download as well? I am asking because Comcast has a data cap on my plan and I have 50gb left for the month. If the patch isn't there I will go ahead and plop it in this months data so I don't have to next month.
Also, is the 20gb patch available for download as well? I am asking because Comcast has a data cap on my plan and I have 50gb left for the month. If the patch isn't there I will go ahead and plop it in this months data so I don't have to next month.
orichalcos
Member
No comment. Sorry.
OH, the 20GB patch. If somebody play the game(because write a review), pls send me a PM. I have info.
TRD Mr Blonde
Member
Any links to the Vidoc yet?
ElRenoRaven
Member
So yea 343 you know this documentary you made. MAKE MORE OF THEM! This is the shit I love. Make documentaries like this for every damn Halo game you make. Bungie should do this too for their games. I'd have loved one like this for Destiny. I swear if I had the skills I'd so get into documenting games like this. I just love love love a good in depth making of. Granted this one was somewhat in depth but not even to the level I'd love to see. I am interested in Halo 5 more now though with Locke info they kind of dropped. Really want to see where that thread goes.
Now all that said. I do have to say I agree that some people here can be a bit too harsh at times. I don't think 343 folks sit there and went boy let's screw up Halo. I don't. We have to remember that these folks are coming in and trying to make the game they think Halo should be. Most of them were just fans like us too. They just had a different opinion of what they wanted Halo to be. They still do deserve respect though. Well most of them. You can make how you feel known without being insulting. Hell I have issues with Halo 4. I still think it was a great game though. It just wasn't a great Halo game. It's not the total piece of shit some here make it out to be though.
Now all that said. I do have to say I agree that some people here can be a bit too harsh at times. I don't think 343 folks sit there and went boy let's screw up Halo. I don't. We have to remember that these folks are coming in and trying to make the game they think Halo should be. Most of them were just fans like us too. They just had a different opinion of what they wanted Halo to be. They still do deserve respect though. Well most of them. You can make how you feel known without being insulting. Hell I have issues with Halo 4. I still think it was a great game though. It just wasn't a great Halo game. It's not the total piece of shit some here make it out to be though.
Welfare
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TRD Mr Blonde
Member
Awesome. Thank you.
Sweet thanks. Trigger pulled.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
I agree with making of documentaries. They don't have to be before release or even at the release of the game. Make it all after the game launches and give it a few months with a retrospective on the game and how it was received or something.
I love this behind the scenes stuff. It is a lot of fun to watch.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Sorry I'l make sure to host some sessions at 8am-10am US Central so that the folks across the pond can play. (As a matter of fact, I work graveyard shift, so times that are good for Eurozone are good for me too, interestingly enough).
You do realize it's nearly impossible to pick a time that works for both US and UK/Euro folks right? Maybe 3-4pm US central which would be 9-10pm (approx) UK, but then most folks in the US still couldn't join in because they'd all be at work and whatnot.
Yes, my session is at 11pm US Central. That doesn't make it dumb. Like I said, it's hard to please both groups, but just because it doesn't work for one or the other doesn't make it dumb. It just means it doesn't work for you, personally. There's a big difference between saying something doesn't work for you and outright insulting it when no such need exists. I'm perfectly calm, just perfectly not ok with attitudes like that.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Still watching the documentary; love the sound making stuff. I like the new direction they're going with the sword sound. Making it more musical ties in nicely with the sword's crystalline appearance, thematically speaking.
nillapuddin
Member
VGL (a year ago~) when I went was a massive disappointment
They were like, now typically, we always play Halo music (crowd loses its shit), but there's a new game being made by Bungie, (desyiny at this point was nothing but an E3 reveal) and we'd like to treat yall to that
*insert 10 minutes of destiny music I had heard once, had no connection to, that had no videos to show during, it was just awful*
The crowd was chanting "Halo, Halo, Halo.." and we never got it. My girlfriend looked like she wanted to cry at the end, I asked her what was wrong she said, "the whole reason I bought you these tickets were because I knew you would love to hear Halo so much"
I told her at the time it was okay.
They were like, now typically, we always play Halo music (crowd loses its shit), but there's a new game being made by Bungie, (desyiny at this point was nothing but an E3 reveal) and we'd like to treat yall to that
*insert 10 minutes of destiny music I had heard once, had no connection to, that had no videos to show during, it was just awful*
The crowd was chanting "Halo, Halo, Halo.." and we never got it. My girlfriend looked like she wanted to cry at the end, I asked her what was wrong she said, "the whole reason I bought you these tickets were because I knew you would love to hear Halo so much"
I told her at the time it was okay.
It wasn't okay you heartless asshole tallarico
Sikamikanico
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If any of the British Legion of HaloGAF want to add me, please feel free.
Also, if you want some more friends on Xbox, with opportunities to attend UK based LAN Parties etc, head over to omgeurope.net. We're a relatively small community, we all met playing Halo (although we play lots of other stuff to nowadays) but they're all really good guys who isn't afraid of anything.
The LANs that are thrown are an excellent perk of joining in there.
And the customs for Halo will regular and plentiful.No doubt that they worked hard on the game. Most developers do. My point was that they said similar things during the development of CEA and then a year later gave us Halo 4. And I honestly don't know how you can claim to be a fan of and care about a series when you're trying to turn it into something its not (literally CoD).
Now Halo 5 has a real opportunity to be good, but excuse me if I don't watch that documentary and suddenly think that 343i is the best studio in the world that knows how to handle Halo. Because the one chance that they had to make a Halo game that wasn't tired to "Anniversary" and they screwed it up big time.
/negativity.
I get I've been salty lately. I really shouldn't be. Been going through some personal issues and whatnot and perhaps I've been channelling it here too. So I will try to be more positive, because despite everything I am very excited to play this collection and as a whole everyone involved has done a wonderful job.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
I have a serious question for you HaloGaffers. I have been thinking about Halo 4, and despite all of the things we really dislike I still had some genuinely great moments in campaign and multiplayer alike.
Do you, or whoever reads this, think that Halo 5 could be good as long as they got rid of loadouts, instant spawns, infinity weapon drops etc, but kept sprint? Now I know that's a huge issue for many (even including myself), but I am willing to entertain the idea. Sprint has become such an integral part of the FPS video game landscape that I have a hard time believing 343 will remove it for us old-school fans. I think we have an awfully good argument to be made on how sprint ruins a lot of things, but I'm also willing to see it be used well. I do enjoy the speed boost it provides and it feels energetic, not to mention it makes sense within the lore that spartans can really hoof it.
The thing is, what made Halo so interesting is partially what it restricted you with. It wasn't uber fast like Quake or Unreal Tournament and you were limited to carrying 2 weapons. That made Halo feel like Halo...not just super soldiers with shields. It hurts to even consider Halo again with sprint, but honestly if a lot of the issues were taken away besides that, I could see myself maybe playing Halo 4 more today.
This is my proposal: Adopt a Counter-Strike "tagging" system. What could occur is that when a spartan is shot while sprinting he/she slows down. Depending on the weapon he slows down even more (sniper/grenade you come to almost a complete stop). I think this could be truly balanced because when sprinting you must lower your weapon. When getting shot and still sprinting you are effectively useless. This would prevent people from just running around and doing hit and run tactics, sprinting with melee etc. Sprint would simply be a method of quicker transportation that has it's proper risks. No longer would people be able to flee when they get one shot or eat a grenade...Also, it would help if sprinting wasn't immediate, but it took a second to get into full speed.
Hope your personal issues are resolved randomrosso. PM me if you need to vent.
Captain Friendo
Neo Member
It's of my opinion that halo doesn't need sprint as it's always played in a way that doesn't require it, but if halo 5 had just sprint and no load outs or those weapon drops then i'd be fine with it.
NobleGundam
Banned
Is this game good yet and has juices been hired in replace for frankie?
Poodlestrike
Banned
I think it could be good, but I still want Sprint gone. While having a serious slowdown on getting hit makes it more bearable, it still weakens map design. If you want more energetic gameplay, upping the base movement speed and adding default thruster pack/ double jump seems to me the better way to go.
I'm not nearly as bitter as some around here, tho.
Ragnarok Flames
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Something I agree with Ozzy on.
orichalcos
Member
Ok, now im finished de Vidoc...Beautiful....Really. Awesome 1 hour...
I hope they remove sprint, but if they keep sprint, tagging (that's what it's called) to all weapons wouldn't be a terrible idea. It would just be better without sprint and limiting tagging to plasma weapons.
Edit: Small slow effect was already in Halo 4 when shot, but it should be increased a lot.
NobleGundam
Banned
So 343 threw in team black to get slaughtered in the comics that way we know it won't be them. A new fireteam with Locke as leader to hunt whats his face john?
This gunna be good mang. Oni Spartans vs. Blue Team.
This gunna be good mang. Oni Spartans vs. Blue Team.
So is anyone on HaloGaf going to be hosting custom game nights when MCC launches? I love capture the flag and would love to either host or join a CTF customs group a few nights a week.
Don't get me wrong I will be in the competitive hunt to reach rank 50 but I love playing customs with a the same group of people every week too. I feel like playing with the same group every week builds some great moments and rivalries that can't be captured the same way matchmaking works.
Don't get me wrong I will be in the competitive hunt to reach rank 50 but I love playing customs with a the same group of people every week too. I feel like playing with the same group every week builds some great moments and rivalries that can't be captured the same way matchmaking works.
Download xbox video app if you have WP.
Edit : I can watch it on xbox video app on mobile :s
Land of best fizzy indeed. I'm from England.
This was done decently in Reach, but 343 really needed to either maintain the flinch while sprinting drawback or INCREASE it, rather than allowing players to shrug off all shots while sprinting in Halo 4. I also agree with you that the heavier the weapon the more the person should be flinched/slowed, at least minutely.
Regarding plasma flinching, the two greatest things I've missed since CE have been:
1) CE Pistol
2) Plasma Flinching
I'm all onboard the Plasma Flinch Train to come back in any form for future Halo's!
Rocket CTF on Bloodline/Coagulation anyone? :-D
EdibleExplosives
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I am, unfortunately.
Onikaan
Member
Man I could go a haggis supper right about now.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yes exactly, the flinching, or "tagging" as tootsi666 corrected me, would increase with the weapon that you are shot with. A grenade/sniper would knock you completely out of sprint, you would have to raise your weapon back up and wait a base amount of time before you could sprint again. Essentially, behind the scenes in the code there would be a certain amount of percentage/damage you would have to receive before being stopped completely while sprinting. Getting shot with a carbine wouldn't be devestating, but after a few shots you are slowed down considerably.
This would make sprinting not viable all the time. It would be a calculated decision and accepting of the risks that if you try to run across/between cover, you might end up getting stopped dead in your tracks. Strafing in and out and "walking/running" at normal base player speed would be the more viable option almost all the time.
I feel like this might be a good way to allow Halo to adopt sprint without totally killing it's core arena map design. Sure, the maps might need to be stretched out a little more (something the new Midship seems to be going for) to compensate for sprint, but the core classic feel of strafing and importance of weapon and map control would still be in full spin.
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