wesleyshark
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The best part about that argument is that Bungie was headed away from splitscreen coop as well. Look at Destiny. That's where they would have taken Halo also, a bit further down the road.
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Halo |OT 24| In Before the Locke
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The best part about that argument is that Bungie was headed away from splitscreen coop as well. Look at Destiny. That's where they would have taken Halo also, a bit further down the road.
I think if the game would support splitscreen, 343 would have to keep check that game is not an absolute mess in splitscreen which would result in downscaling of environments/effects and other stuff, and I don't think there would be 2 different campaigns.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I saw at least a few comments in that topic literally saying that splitscreen is an extremely dated feature that's literally worthless, should be left in the 90's, and that anyone who wants it at all crazy (or harsher terms). Obviously it's not everyone defending it though. My wording was more for the sake of the lame hashtag joke, and a partial prelude to my next post.
lol yup. Some of the more intense 343i haters have some pretty extremely selective memories.
And I think you are still misunderstanding this. Previous Halo games also cut FPS (Halo 4 drops to 20FPS in co-op, but probably not intentional) or graphics, but ONLY if you entered the game in splitscreen. Solo was completely unaffected by that.
I remember Fyre Wulff going into detail with differences between solo and co-op and how the games are rendered. I think it was in his post where he explained how 4K support would mean that each player of the 4 playing would basically have their own 1080p screen.
I'm obviously not an expert in this, but I know it's totally possible. It was probably just not worth the effort and ultimately 343i has their reasons why it's not included.
Frankies comment on that matter:
Completely understandable, but at the same time it's not. Frankie will probably not comment on wether 60FPS for solo and 30FPS for co-op is possible.
ElzarTheBam
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I want my Bioshock/Bacon/2Pac skins
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Tons. Tons. Which is dumb because they don't hurt anything, and assuming they're there, they're how we're getting free map packs, which is such a huge and important thing.
Really don't see it as anything that would make people rage about it. People are very positive about buyable skins in CS, Dota or LoL. Also, people don't have to buy it and we are gettings maps for free. If anyone rages about that, they are dumb.
Only thing that would make people rage is pay2win microtransaction and I very much doubt it will happen in a main Halo game. It happening in Halo Online is a completely different story.
I think you're overestimating the rationality of idiots on the internet.
I'm sometimes one of them (even if I regret the bad things that I said most of the time), but I still have faith in humanity. 
SmartWaffles
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I actually don't think there will be outrage as long as it remains cosmetic.
Fahzgoolin
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Reading Gaf and playing and interacting with the counter strike community on a daily basis makes me despise everyone lol.
I hate you Jem.
Ur cool peeps
As long as maps are free who cares
@akai: I think we can argue to no end, but I still think environments, enemy numbers etc would have to be scaled back so splitscreen would still be playable.(nobody would be happy either if it drops to 15fps and 720p)
True. As long as we don't have confirmation of why it exactly isn't included, we can just speculate.
The Henery
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These posts are fair and of course I'm exaggerating with the 9 people thing. It's a shame split screen co-op won't be there but it's not worthy of the ire being meted out in that thread. Fifteen pages which largely (from the few pages I skimmed) lack proportionality. 343 have said that it was cut to ensure the campaign maintains certain performance levels; what they are attempting in the campaign (which nobody has seen yet) could absolutely justify that. I'd venture that the majority of the playerbase doesn't use splitscreen for campaign and so that's an entirely defensible compromise to make compared with past examples e.g
Removal of campaign theatre for Halo 4
Reason given: Underused feature. Problems with QTE interactions.
Fair?: Even if it's not used by the majority, seemingly the only thing theatre's inclusion would affect would be QTE's which 343 later admitted to being a mistake. Furrowed brows en masse are therefore justified.
Removal of Grenade Launcher from sandbox
Reason Given: "Objectively underused".
Fair?: Underused because of its poor placement on maps and the complete lack of tuition on how to use it. Neither the campaign, multiplayer nor instruction manual instructed the user to the nuance of this weapon. Probably the most interesting weapon to use in Halo history and it was jettisoned from Halo 4, a game with a grossly bloated sandbox which featured multiple duplicates of essentially the same weapons with different skins. Outrage justified.
Then there's the guys that will tell you to go back to the previous Halo's multiplayer if something in the latest iteration is anathema to you. We know the population largely shifts to the latest game so to go back to a previous game is to endure smaller populations, longer search times, poorer trueskill matches and increased incidences of game breaking lag. But would it be fair to tell co-op split screeners to just play the older games? One could reasonably say to them "Look, 343 have just released every Halo campaign (barring Reach) ever made, in 1080p and 60 FPS. All in one package. All with splitscreen co-op functionality." If they go back to play these games there are no search screens frittering away gaming time, no lopsided matches, no shot evaporating latency. They play the same as they ever did but with better resolution and framerate.
Ultimately, it sucks for the people that genuinely get mileage out of the feature. It's just those people are both in the minority and if they had their way it would be to the direct detriment of the majority who never or seldom use splitscreen. I must say though, the amount of people in that thread who claim it's a deal breaker on a purchase is a real eye opener.
@ white rabbit on 4 player split with friends: I understand that nostalgia for friends in the same room gaming. Online gaming is fantastic but some of the human moment and camaraderie is lost when everyone's in a separate room. However, have you played 4 player split recently? Me and three friends set up 4 player double dash on the gamecube, big screen too. It used to be the pinnacle of gaming for us, now... I don't think I ever want to 4 way split ever again. Full screen comforts online have made it unacceptable now imo.
Poodlestrike
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Honestly, lack of splitscreen doesn't really bother me. I don't have anyone to play it with, and in any case, I have more fond memories of doing hotseat multi than splitscreen. Only had the one controller
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Captain Friendo
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Lack of splitscreen is nowhere near a make or break for me either although I think a lot of us are forgetting that there's still kids who splitscreen the new halo games with their brothers, sisters or friendos like a lot of us used to back in the day.
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Zeouterlimits
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I guess I would look on it with a different philosophy.
If something is important to someone but I don't care about it or care for it, I don't tell them they should not care or not like it. This extends to topics outside of this coop issue too, it's a general perspective on feeling marginalised versus being annoyed at those who feel marginalised. I'll give my perspective on it, but I won't get mad or frustrated because I'm not the one loosing something here, they are. Hell, if I'm someone who cares about 60 fps, I'm gaining something at the expense of what someone cares about.
The haves getting upset at the have nots for being upset is just silly. I'd recommend one just voices their perspective and focuses on the positives they care about (referring to jem being annoyed people are talking about the coop issue and not the reveal itself).
Local coop isn't a big thing for me anymore, as an affluent adult, and I do value 60 fps more now.
Local coop was very, very important for me as a lower middle class kid & teenager.
I respect both (and other) perspectives.
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Note: I don't spare time for the truly unreasonable on either side. I reported that awful guy who said 'Fuck Off and Die, " in reference to 343, he's now banned.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
So I assume they are going to explain how Blue Team went from being dead in Chief's mind to fighting with him, right? I seriously hope 343 learned their lesson on storytelling from Halo 4, and are not expecting people just to know what's happening.
Zeouterlimits
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What do you mean exactly?
As far as people who play the games know, Blue Team don't exist, all of these characters are new.
So they'll likely show some clip of them training together as kids (the bell ringing I'd guess) and then have ancillary dialogue between them to build "relationships".
But yeah, will be interesting to see how they are.
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wesleyshark
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Honestly, lack of splitscreen doesn't really bother me. I don't have anyone to play it with, and in any case, I have more fond memories of doing hotseat multi than splitscreen. Only had the one controller
All of the friends I'll be playing Halo with have their own Xbox Ones. Splitscreen would never be used by any of us.
I'll always have fond memories of playing Halo CE and Halo 2 8 v 8 in college dorms with LAN cables running down the halls, but those days are definitely gone haha. Looking at the the present vs the past... I'll take the present every time.
Kinda like with me and Halo 2. I had no idea what was going on in the Arbiter's storyline. Who is this random elite? Why is he a prisoner? Who are these weird hairy species? Oh "brutes"? He's on trial? Who are these judges? Oh "prophets", wtf are they?
I had a better understanding with Halo 4, likely because the base story was much simpler than a religious war and I was older.
I do honestly agree with you and completely understand why couch co-op has to be cut, but I'm still miffed that I won't be able to do splitscreen co-op with my brother, which we've done for every single Halo release. I don't think either of us is going to have enough money to actually buy another Xbone and copy of Halo 5, so this might be the first time that I have to fly solo Legendary on my first playthrough.
aHebrewMenagerie
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We'll probably do a Reclaimer Radio rounding up and discussing all the Halo stuff.
Yo Frank, why do you guys still run to the gaming press with your reveals instead of posting it on your site?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
At the very least they need to do a cutscene showing them in training and on a few missions. We were lead to believe (even in the games) that Chief was the last Spartan II and now the game starts and there are 3 more?
I have no doubt 343 will do something, I just hope it gives a bit of background for us that have a bit of knowledge outside the game too. Blue Team has been MIA for a long time, where did they go? (Disclaimer, I've only read Fall of Reach and Ghosts of Onyx really).
Captain Friendo
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You can't see it in the profile picture with his helmet off, but Buck actually has the ODST emblem painted lightly on the side of his chestplate.
Love seeing all the familiar stuff, like Buck and his general aesthetic, amidst the new.
Love seeing all the familiar stuff, like Buck and his general aesthetic, amidst the new.
Honestly I'm not sure if it matters. The only stuff that really made it sound like he was the last or the only Spartan were the Halo CE instruction manual and just the fact you never heard or saw a peep about the others in the original trilogy. "Oh these guys trained with John" is probably as much background as most people would need.
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The whole Split-Screen debate is pathetic.
Like some dude said he bought Splatoon, buy sold it when he realised he can't play Split-Screen Online Multiplayer with his son and they don't like taking turns.
He said he "expected more from Nintendo". Like, sure Nintendo are all about family, but they are also about performance.
I mean the Local 1VS1 runs at 30fps! That's with one Gamepad user and one TV user!
How could it possibly maintain 30fps online Splitscreen in a 4VS4 game?
Some even said that they wouldn't care if it ran at 15fps-30fsps as long as they can play with their friends in the same home.
You'd be a detriment to your team.
I'm sure 343i and Nintendo know best and if they could get Splitscreen working everywhere, they would.
Like some dude said he bought Splatoon, buy sold it when he realised he can't play Split-Screen Online Multiplayer with his son and they don't like taking turns.
He said he "expected more from Nintendo". Like, sure Nintendo are all about family, but they are also about performance.
I mean the Local 1VS1 runs at 30fps! That's with one Gamepad user and one TV user!
How could it possibly maintain 30fps online Splitscreen in a 4VS4 game?
Some even said that they wouldn't care if it ran at 15fps-30fsps as long as they can play with their friends in the same home.
You'd be a detriment to your team.
I'm sure 343i and Nintendo know best and if they could get Splitscreen working everywhere, they would.
Zeouterlimits
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Post Halo 4 Comic spoilers:
Fairly sure they help the Chief compose/kill the Didact. So he is well aware they are alive. I don't know if they'll even indicate the Didact survived for a while post Halo 4, 4's ending kind of ties up neatly with what actually transpired later.
Yo Frank, why do you guys still run to the gaming press with your reveals instead of posting it on your site?
Not saying I had a "good" understanding, just better than my first time with 2.
The Henery
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I usually figure it's some sort of deal involving money since the article(s) in this case cost money for people to read.
Of course, there might just be higher exposure through the gaming press.
wesleyshark
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I think that the Ur-Didact will be back. The way he falls into the composer at the end of Halo 4 and what happens to him in the comics can be neatly synchronized to be the same end result for whatever form he takes when he shows up again. This will be a convenient means for both the expanded universe fans and those who stay strictly to the games. It's actually kinda genius.
Captain Friendo
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Was thinking just the same thing myself, actually.
bobs...onGaf
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Very interested how the game will start, from the comics chief and blue team are already together. It's going to be pretty jarring for the average fan who hasn't read the books.
I'm stoked that blue team are in though but I really don't know how it's going to work. Blue team is full of bad-asses - if they just feel like dumb ai that sort of follow you around and barely kill anything that will really ruin blue team for me but 343 can't possibly have kelly running around like a maniac distracting and killing everyone and Linda sniping everyone before you can touch them.
Seems like the series is turning into a squad shooter too which is good and bad. Glad they are trying it out though - it seemed to work well enough in odst and reach
I'm stoked that blue team are in though but I really don't know how it's going to work. Blue team is full of bad-asses - if they just feel like dumb ai that sort of follow you around and barely kill anything that will really ruin blue team for me but 343 can't possibly have kelly running around like a maniac distracting and killing everyone and Linda sniping everyone before you can touch them.
Seems like the series is turning into a squad shooter too which is good and bad. Glad they are trying it out though - it seemed to work well enough in odst and reach
Forerunner
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It's GAF, someone is going to complain.
I found the whole thread to be ridiculous. Yes, Halo has a long history of this feature. I remember beating CE on Legendary with my sister and also playing with my friends in H2. However, Frankie stated the reason why this feature was cut and it's a reasonable design choice. You can't please everyone, so just make the best design choice for the overall game.
I was thinking that having Locke be a point of view character allows the player to learn the back story in a more natural way as Locke will likely be briefed and told about past events.
I think they mentioned the Spartan IVs having better armor and I heard it speculated about them having ODST like vision abilities. I think that could be a good way to allow the player to learn more about characters' pasts: when the player meets a new character they get a dossier pop up on screen and can expand it to read more if they want.
SmartWaffles
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