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That'll happen. Saw Maniac (iirc) playing 2v2s w/ Formal and he got a double blainski through snipe hut walls.
Pass. Removing the last dedicated objective playlist in the game removes the only reason for me to play the game. Objective doesn't have a big population, but it is fairly steady, and matches don't take long.
Every other core playlist in the game is either Slayer-only or heavily weighted towards Slayer. Even Objective has a damn Slayer gametype in it.
ViewtifulJC
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Damn, put the man's business out like that. He trusted you with that secret, Hypertrooper.
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Devolution
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I haven't been on teh Reach, what's going on with the multiplayer?
Even the almighty Boss Nasti has been struck by client side hit detection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N8eN4u5IPN0#t=93s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N8eN4u5IPN0#t=93s
Eh, you're right, just realised Team Objective is the only non-slayer playlist. I still don't get why BTB matches almost always end up 8v8 slayer. Capture the Flag/Assault can be soooo good when everyone plays the game to win. I'm also concerned about what will happen to Super Slayer. Something tells me it's population won't be high, especially with Vanilla Slayer right on top of the playlist selection screen.
edit: This is a stupid question, but I feel like I should ask it: why are so many people against a lot of playlists? Nearly all of Reach's playlists have >1000 people on it at any given time, so population can't be an issue, and the diversity in gametypes and team sizes is nice, to me at least.
Truskill can't work as well with smaller populations.
And some playlists suffer lower than 1000 players pretty consistently.
Actually, I agree with most of that update. Good work, 343.
edit: actually, changed my mind. There's nothing in that update I disagree with.
It really does depend on how the playlist is marketed via the splash screen and where its placed on the listing. The one on top will likely have the higher population, and the Team Slayer name will definitely help it out, but I could see it losing top dog status since "Super" implies superiority.
It's not really about the number of the playlists being too high, its just that so many of them are largely redundant. We have four 4v4 core Slayer playlists, two of which are TU and three of which feature Forge maps. Removing the dedicated stuff like Infection, Grifball, Snipers, and SWAT isn't really what people want, because that stuff has to go somewhere. But there's a crazy amount of overlap in all but the most minute details in some of these playlists to the point where it's hard to see why some of them need to coexist. Frankly, I don't see why a DLC only, vanilla only playlist like Squad DLC needs to exist when they have the ability to turn up DLC matching affinity.
People don't want blind cuts, they want cuts where it makes sense. And that's natural, in a game with 26 current playlists. They've started (kind of) doing the right thing by making Anniversary Squad go away.
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Holy shit, a wild Cocop appeared in the thread.
The Real Napsta
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You like 5v5 objective?
It was the superior, funner form of objective in Halo 3 for me, so yes, I'm going to be giving 5v5 TO a try, and 5 man teams are going to need a new 5-man playlist after Squad Slayer bites it.
Now if they could just get rid of Flag Slayer..
edit: also really glad to see all the Infection updates made it in.
edit2: I wonder if Team Slayer and Super Slayer are going to be true mirrors of each other or if one is going to have different splitscreen requirements..
Like I said earlier, 343 added an achievement for it.. it's going to show up more now.
HigherLevel
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So Super Slayer is going to have Armor Lock and Forge maps? Give me Squad Slayer back please.
Somehow I doubt that's going to happen. I feel like that, Speedflag, Headhunter, and Hot Potato are here to stay, unfortunately. I'm okay with what 3 Flag brought to the table in the 'lol-fringe-gametypes-are-back-in-force' July Objective update.
The Henery
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Bad state of affairs isn't it? DLC handling has been 343's weakest spot so far. I've got the Noble and Defiant map packs sitting dormant on my HD, I won't touch Squad DLC seeing as it's Vanilla. Still, I had Anni Squad. Now I won't be able to play TU settings on Anni maps either. Will somebody think of the paying consumer!
A pertinent question would be, now that the TU has no bleedthrough, who exactly is Vanilla for? People who like the frankly game breaking original Armour Lock? The meh sword block? Needle Rifle is the only mildly contentious thing in there now.
With the reinstatement of bleedthrough, the TU gametype pleases the largest amount of players. It should be implemented universally as the Reach gametype.
HigherLevel
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Yeah there really is no point in keeping Vanilla with the removal of bleed-through. Just make the TU universal now so we have a little consistency.
edit: I do think this is what they will ultimately do, I just want them to speed the process up.
edit: I do think this is what they will ultimately do, I just want them to speed the process up.
ncsuDuncan
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I wonder how different the TU vs. Vanilla voting results would have been if bleedthrough had been removed last month.
The Real Napsta
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Now that bleedthrough is gone you do you like TU better than default Fyrewulf?
Anniversary Squad biting it sounds like more the early beginnings of playlist consolidation. "Vanilla Reach is still available" is still a joke since we're still sitting at only 2 non-fringe playlists for it as of this update. Might as well consolidate the BTBs and make it all-DLC required.
No, but TU just improved 3000% in my book. Feedback systems exist for a reason. If people want bleedthrough after this, Anniversary Classic and MLG will still have it since they finally answered that it is separable. As I said before, I have nothing against the idea of bleedthrough itself. But it belongs in Halo 1/2/3 and possibly 4, games that were made with it in mind. The two gametypes are a lot closer in my book, and I'd still rather they just make the TU global at this point.
If we could get an RoF locked DMR or an 85% DMR with 85% bloom while crouched instead of 0%, then sure, ditch Vanilla. Er well, they'd be pretty much the same in my book.
No, but TU just improved 3000% in my book. Feedback systems exist for a reason. If people want bleedthrough after this, Anniversary Classic and MLG will still have it since they finally answered that it is separable. As I said before, I have nothing against the idea of bleedthrough itself. But it belongs in Halo 1/2/3 and possibly 4, games that were made with it in mind. The two gametypes are a lot closer in my book, and I'd still rather they just make the TU global at this point.
If we could get an RoF locked DMR or an 85% DMR with 85% bloom while crouched instead of 0%, then sure, ditch Vanilla. Er well, they'd be pretty much the same in my book.
I don't think the majority of the playerbase even knows what bleedthrough is
Well, once we figure out which maps made it in for Heavies, I'll be able to tell you the spawn times..
well, until the 6th the difference is that plus bleedthrough. taken as individual pieces it sure doesnt seem all that different, but i'll be damned if they play the same. still, should be a unified experience though.
EDIT: i may actually prefer reach prior to TU then the mess we have now...
Don't forget removed sword block.
I forgot because its applicable about .005% of the time in my case.
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Yup, they axed the only thing that made it truly a different game. Well, 85% bloom is nice, ZB is better.
The Henery
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I honestly thought the whole point of them going to the trouble of removing bleedthrough on the TU gametype was to achieve homogeneity in Reach. What is the point of Vanilla post March update?
You're still leaving two different bloom types in the game which is confusing to new and casual players. Do away with Vanilla; there were probably lunatics who preferred Halo 2 pre-patch too.
You're still leaving two different bloom types in the game which is confusing to new and casual players. Do away with Vanilla; there were probably lunatics who preferred Halo 2 pre-patch too.
sigh... one would think that on my own host that type of thing wouldn't happen. I cry...
There isn't, there's still only two Vanilla playlists, and one with horrible population suffered from DLC requirement missteps late last year. With bleedthrough gone even I'm hoping they give up the facade and push TU into everything else.
So will the SP and MP info be hand delivered to us by MS/343i, or is it going to be more of a journalistic frenzy?
Awesome, exactly the word I was hoping for actually :lol
Awesome, exactly the word I was hoping for actually :lol
Blue Ninja
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Shinier than Halo 2? I'm sold.
Also, I switched the guts for my busted silver controller with the guts of a white controller I had lying around... The deadzones work fine again, but apparently the B-button on that controller was busted. It'll work more often than not, but it's annoying as shit.
I guess there's no way around it, I need a new controller. Pieces of shit.
Thought so
Absolutely minimal improvements to the gameplay that most of the fanbase wouldn't notice get their own separate playlist? smh at Reach matchmaking management. I don't care about Reach at this point but like Ram says this does not bode well at all for Halo 4. Crossing my fingers things will be completely different then with the game being their own from day one.
And yay at that Dutch leak! Hopefully this snowballs into a huge info leak with all the shady euro journous trying to outdo each other for fame.
edit- yay too at that other tweet hypaa posted. MORE!!
And yay at that Dutch leak! Hopefully this snowballs into a huge info leak with all the shady euro journous trying to outdo each other for fame.
edit- yay too at that other tweet hypaa posted. MORE!!
the latter. thats the entire reason for the embargo, to give sites time to put together articles and to publish at the same time. i'm sure waypoint will have the same media and some write ups too though
:lol at these guys trying to be professional cock-teases like 343
None like the OG's, SON!
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kittens
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Looks like zero bloom will be my new playlist of choice.
Garrett 2U
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At this stage in the game's cycle I wish they would just release the DLC for free, like they did for Halo 2.
And they should also just go completely title update on all playlists (excluding bleedthrough).
Coming from someone who already bought the DLC too btw... I want them to release it free.
And they should also just go completely title update on all playlists (excluding bleedthrough).
Coming from someone who already bought the DLC too btw... I want them to release it free.
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What a bunch of jerks.
Looks like I'm not going to get shit done on Monday.
I highly doubt anything will really come out until Monday, just teases. Sunday night is going to be a fun night of sleeping..
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Also I'm glad it shinny, I didn't like the "dark and rough" look of Reach too much, yea I know the story us supposed to be that.
ElzarTheBam
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