AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Forge looks excellent to me. The map at 6:30 is honestly what I want all multiplayer maps to be closer to. Arena style gameplay is where it's at.
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Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
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Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The lighting tool is very nice too. Makes Forge maps look less... Reach-y.
biosnake20
Member
Relay looks great.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Only the finest grey blocks for you, Kyle.
Rickenslacker
Banned
They're more white this time.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
There may be a hint of jest in there, but it does appear that they've decided to keep to the basic formula of things not looking like multicolored legos or a Mexican town.
What'd I tell people
I'm pretty sure 100% of the objects from Reach FW are returning. I recognized so many of them. (Of course, with new appearances, etc)
So quick summary:
- The vast majority but not all Forge pieces have magnets
- Locking a piece exempts it from "delete all"
- Each canvas also has special pieces just for that canvas
- All the canvases have built in variants on the disc. The space canvas seems to be named Impact with it's base disc variant named Relay.
- PTVs can change traits like infinite ammo (we already knew this), but apparently can also disable weapon usage?
- Gravity volumes can be set to be visible or not visible in-game
- You can set Initial, Random, and Objective Ordnance drops separately in Forge.
bobs...onGaf
Member
That's going to stop people making cool content
Edit: thanks for the clarification frankie
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I don't think they've fully unveiled all of Forge yet Kyle, but I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.
Yeah they didn't really go digging into anything. They only touched on one new 4-specific thing.
All I know is Spacemire is in pre-production.
Seems like it. Forge looks rather good. I'm impressed.
What'd I tell people
I'm pretty sure 100% of the objects from Reach FW are returning. I recognized so many of them. (Of course, with new appearances, etc)
So quick summary:
- The vast majority but not all Forge pieces have magnets
- Locking a piece exempts it from "delete all"
- Each canvas also has special pieces just for that canvas
- All the canvases have built in variants on the disc. The space canvas seems to be named Impact with it's base disc variant named Relay.
- PTVs can change traits like infinite ammo (we already knew this), but apparently can also disable weapon usage?
- Gravity volumes can be set to be visible or not visible in-game
- You can set Initial, Random, and Objective Ordnance drops separately in Forge.
Saw a number of the same kind of misalignment on pieces in Forge World, as well, such as when the ramp with a platform at the top was married with the walkway...the sides don't align. That as prevalent across the Forge World palette and I'm hoping it's been at least reduced this go around. (Someone documented this well a few weeks back.)
Lighting makes an enormous difference. Still too monochrome on that all-object map, but much better than Reach. Adding to OP then heading into work. It's a crazy day so later announcements and content will be added at the end of the day.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Oh djwheat.
Making every Halo Pro fan grimace even more.
Making every Halo Pro fan grimace even more.
That mightn't be clear to people who don't know me. I like djwheat. He's in the right in a sense. But the Starcraft Pro/Halo Pro scene isn't the friendliest, so pot shots like that tend to get a rise out of people.
Yup. I wouldn't mind it being in the normal playlists, assuming it actually plays well. Looking decent doesn't mean it plays well afterall...
Hydranockz
Member
He probably just thinks it's as easy as giving the blocks an RGB value.
Zeouterlimits
Member
How does what we're seeing there make Forge play better?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
New color scheme is 100% better than Reach, it also gives me an odd Mass Effect vibe on the space environment.
Wish they'd add like 3 or 4 color alternates at least, but maybe we'll get Covenant pieces with purple.
Wish they'd add like 3 or 4 color alternates at least, but maybe we'll get Covenant pieces with purple.
mmm false equivalencies. try to wrap your mind around the fact that Forge colors would improve functionality! see: MLG Pit
try again please
The turd in my pants said wow.
The first thing I thought when I saw that Forge map they made was "That looks way too busy.". Please tell me they're going to allow us to change the white parts of the objects to different colors, please. And not just preset colors, a color slider/wheel is needed.
Also, if the Reach Forge pieces all return with different textures that would be very disappointing. They're inconsistent as hell and can be a pain to Forge with.
Also, if the Reach Forge pieces all return with different textures that would be very disappointing. They're inconsistent as hell and can be a pain to Forge with.
GodlyPerfection
Member
I'm calling it now. The white metal is tint-able for coloring to quell monochromatic fears.
Hydranockz
Member
Can someone screencap 0:24 and tell me what colour they see.
Genesis Knight
Member
New forge environment looks great!
And yes, shadows on Forge objects change pretty much everything in terms of being visually appealing.
And yes, shadows on Forge objects change pretty much everything in terms of being visually appealing.
bobs...onGaf
Member
To be fair I do think that forge being too grey was one of Gafs biggest complaints about halo reach forge. Seems pretty weird to make out that kylej's posts are stupid when many others have made many similar posts in the past.
Hyped to check out the video.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
YEAH NO OPINIONS ALLOWED
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Being able to make pieces a particular color is not going to make forge look better, I promise. Like I said, it'll end up looking like legos, unless you make it all one color. Then...it'll still look ridiculous.
Gabotron ES
Member
So I come from the beach just to miss a forge reveal or something, I need a summary guys!
Too bad the lightmap doesn't seem to be affecting self-shadowing (shadows on your weapon), or at least not much.
The only self-shadowing i'm sure of happened next to map geometry, not with placed objects. But i'm not 100% sure.
Callouts, I get you. It would certainly make things a slight bit easier to distinguish where you are at on the map. Balance that with whatever reason you think 343 used to make the game work better technically. I suppose you'd trade lighting for this.
Though, I trust you would facetiously bemoan the small functional aspect of a one-color forge world doesn't quite provide, instead of its artistic merits. Just to stay on message.
Framerate, all grey, inconsistent surfaces (i.e, nuke sockets).
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
But we already know Kyle's opinion. Find something wrong with everything, and that's his opinion.
Zoso Achilles
Member
Maybe it's just me, but when they switched to gameplay on Relay (in the forge vid) it just looked weird. It almost looked cartoon-ish, I don't know how else to say it. The objects are too bright? Look out of place? I don't know, something just looks off. The lighting helped, but did we just go from all grey to all white?
Also, while looking at the custom options during the player trait zones part, it seems the modifiers increase by large amounts again. Gravity goes from 100% to 150%, 200 then 300. It just reminds me of when the classic playlist was being developed in Reach: many thought 110% movement speed was slightly too slow, but 120% was slightly too fast. 115% was no where to be found. I'm afraid the same will be true once again in Halo 4, along with the sliders for weapon damage, etc.
Also, while looking at the custom options during the player trait zones part, it seems the modifiers increase by large amounts again. Gravity goes from 100% to 150%, 200 then 300. It just reminds me of when the classic playlist was being developed in Reach: many thought 110% movement speed was slightly too slow, but 120% was slightly too fast. 115% was no where to be found. I'm afraid the same will be true once again in Halo 4, along with the sliders for weapon damage, etc.
Hydranockz
Member
Saw that too, is it just lighting though?
Oh it's totally the lighting, but I asked what do you see and you see an awful lot of yellow. Doesn't seem fair to suggest you're stuck with grey still.
Not sure if this is actually made out of Forge pieces, though. When he deleted all Forge pieces later on in the video the building was still there. Could be that he just deleted all objects of one specific Forge piece, can't remember.Saw that too, is it just lighting though?
Allowing people to changes colors of objects would make a huge difference. Even with 3 different palettes and maps to build on the variation of aesthetics will only go so far. If you could adjust the color of pieces you could make a much bigger amount of unique looking maps. The new lighting system is great but if it's still mostly gray/white (Plus Forge light objects) than people will still get sick of the look of Forge maps.
Hydranockz
Member
Probably a locked piece.
Genesis Knight
Member
Seemed to happen when he was running through the station tunnels?
Do you really need five posts on a page complaining about the exact same thing? Self-editing is a virtue, as opposed to sarcastic word vomit.