AAs are essentially an updated version of Equipment from H3.
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AAs are essentially an updated version of Equipment from H3.
Blue Ninja
Member
It'll have to wait until next week, though, I'm fucking done with Halo for today. :lol
YourExWife
Member
Add to this that we played a little bit of Relay, but the middle still feels too useless to me. That MLG variant (I forget the name) with the tower structure in the middle plays much better.
trance-ecj
Member
I'd spend so many hours in this playlist...thoughts on adding the grenade 'resupply' perk to the loadouts?
Wow - I gotta say, I'm really surprised at how well the community maps are handling Infinity Slayer. They're actually performing better than the default maps IMO. The power weapons actually feel somewhat less common than DMRs. I can't believe they let non-ordnance drops stay. This gives me some hope... lol
HigherLevel
Member
I haven't had framerate problems, I just think it's a terrible map.
How? They're much more pervasive than equipment. Turning invincible or invisible whenever you like is far different from an occasional active camo or overshield pickup. Jetpacking over enemies every encounter is incomparable to a grav lift. AAs like Promethean Vision are far more powerful than flares or mines, or anything in Halo 3 for that matter.
Even worse, you spawn with all of these. No timing of when pickups are available, no fight for them, just spawn and there you go.
Then you have the tactical packages and support upgrades...
I actually had the opposite experience on Scythe today. Maybe it was just a bad game, but the enemy team had a Splaser, Rocket Launcher, Railgun, Binary Rifle, and a Sniper Rifle all at the same time and it continued for quite a while. Between personal ordinance and non-ordinance drops it was a mess of power weapons.
Perhaps just a bad game, but on a 4v4 map it was hell.
Oh you could spawn with equipment and could use it again and again?
NullPointer
Member
Its a direct extension of the concept. The problem with equipment is that is wasn't being used. It was being saved up and lost upon death.
By making equipment persistent, and with cooldowns, players experiment with them more and use those abilities more often.
Yep, pretty sure that would be needed.
Because they are an active ability tied to a button, that's how they are an upgraded version of equipment. They do have a very similar basic function to equipment, with the only thing making them different is that they can be reused. How they interplay with other elements of the sandbox is a bit different(and that difference is why I don't like them), but it still stands that they are an "upgrade" to equipment.
NullPointer
Member
Definitely, but they're doing exactly what they were designed to do - to act as a fourth leg of Halo combat. Guns, melee, grenades and AAs.
Well... LosDaddie only said that they were an updated equipment. Which is true.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
It's not terrible, but yeah, it's inconsistent for sure.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Well done to you guys at CC on getting some good maps into Halo 4
Maybe they should have just let you spawn with equipment that was reusable on a longer recharge rate than AAs and had a faster despawn rate than AAs.
For instance, instead of the jet pack, you spawn with the deployable grav lift, you could drop it once for yourself to boost up to a position on the map, your teammates could also use this, but the enemies could as well.
Instead of the hard light shield, you spawn with a deployable cover, you can drop it once for yourself to be shielded from a rocket or spartan laser, your teammates could also use it for cover, but your enemies could as well. '
The regen field would work in a nearly identical way to Halo 4's, only it would despawn faster.
Autosentry could stay as well.
Maybe instead of thruster pack you spawn a "speed boost" field where your player strafes and moves at an increased rate, but has a deploy time similar to the regen field and auto sentry, but much shorter. You could also use the area speed boost to make longer jumps you would be unable to otherwise. Again, your teammates and enemies could use it.
Overshield and Active Camo would go back to power ups on the map just like Halo 3.
I think that's a more "natural" evolution of the equipment in Halo 3 than what we saw with AAs in Reach.
For instance, instead of the jet pack, you spawn with the deployable grav lift, you could drop it once for yourself to boost up to a position on the map, your teammates could also use this, but the enemies could as well.
Instead of the hard light shield, you spawn with a deployable cover, you can drop it once for yourself to be shielded from a rocket or spartan laser, your teammates could also use it for cover, but your enemies could as well. '
The regen field would work in a nearly identical way to Halo 4's, only it would despawn faster.
Autosentry could stay as well.
Maybe instead of thruster pack you spawn a "speed boost" field where your player strafes and moves at an increased rate, but has a deploy time similar to the regen field and auto sentry, but much shorter. You could also use the area speed boost to make longer jumps you would be unable to otherwise. Again, your teammates and enemies could use it.
Overshield and Active Camo would go back to power ups on the map just like Halo 3.
I think that's a more "natural" evolution of the equipment in Halo 3 than what we saw with AAs in Reach.
mhi
Member
I like how it was Bungie themselves who said fuckit to the 'Halo Triangle'. They get no pass from me for setting that precedent with Reach.
Also according to 343i themselves 'No Sprint' is impossible, unless ur a scambag hacker that breaks the game engine. Its in the same manner as 1 Flag CTF.
Also according to 343i themselves 'No Sprint' is impossible, unless ur a scambag hacker that breaks the game engine. Its in the same manner as 1 Flag CTF.
Steelyuhas
Member
If anyone has a game on Relay they've played, please upload it to your FS then give me your gamertag.
Also, I guess it looks like we're stuck with the base map thumbnails
Instant disappointment upon entering the playlist with that.
If anyone has a game on Relay they've played, please upload it to your FS then give me your gamertag.
Also, I guess it looks like we're stuck with the base map thumbnails
I thought Bravo said it was possible to change.
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Forge Playlist Maps and Tips!
YourExWife
Member
If anyone has a game on Relay they've played, please upload it to your FS then give me your gamertag.
Also, I guess it looks like we're stuck with the base map thumbnails
It's not great or interesting or gamebreaking (I was struggling to stay awake, actually), but I'll try to remember to do that when I get home. Just for you.
I don't think they've ever outright confirmed or denied they have the function. I remembered it as it was intended, then cut for the user side, but they could still make thumbnails themselves. I asked about it directly once and never got a response.
Also lordy does the kill cam ever hate Forge maps
Thank you sir.
I'm glad there are so many people playing and enjoy the playlist.
I also just got my first killtacular in Halo 4 lol. Scythe TS
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Does it not load the images from the disc. Wouldn't changing it require patching in either the ability to load an image along side the map file or the actually images.
Id love if they came out and said what would actually be required for some of these things to be done on a technical level.
Would be awesome if it's feasible, definitely something I would put on a TU list for improving the game immensely by just adding recognition.
Hypertrooper
Member
I completed this week's Spartan Ops and I have to say Escape is by far the best SpOps Mission. It was damn good. I wish every SpOps mission had such "in-game" cutscenes. Why does 343i not use the pop-up window to tell the story of Team Switchback? Etc.
I hope Spartan Ops will keep this quality.
I hope Spartan Ops will keep this quality.
ftfy lol
NullPointer
Member
Yeah, they really should've tested them first.
Poker Face
Member
Besides killcams (which are awful) I didn't experience any framerate drops.
Jack Scofield
Member
After hearing people sing the praises of the new Spartan Ops I loaded up Halo 4 and tried out the new missions. What a disappointment. They're literally the exact same thing as the first five episodes: massive amounts of enemies with fuel rods, reinforcements, and drop pods every few minutes. There's no unique gameplay mechanics. They just plop you down in the middle of an environment and call it a day.
This is the best they can do with these missions? The sad thing is people will actually pay to play these missions if season two is ever released.
This is the best they can do with these missions? The sad thing is people will actually pay to play these missions if season two is ever released.
HigherLevel
Member
I've only had framerate problems on Despair while everyone was in the middle in a game of KOTH.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I bet you were trying really hard ;]
To the CC's:
Just had the most fun in a CTF match in that Forge playlist. Those settings should've been default day one.
Overall, loving the gameplay/settings so far, except the maps could use some atmosphere so they're more appealing. I could see players turning away from the playlist because everything looks so dull and similar (ie: Despair) even though the maps play pretty well. Give the illusion of setting instead of closing the entire map in Forge pieces.
I'll probably type out a more detailed response to the playlist later once I get familiar with everything. I'm usually doing 2389407234 things while casually playing this game, but overall good stuff! Definitely a great start and I'm already excited for future additions B]
GodlyPerfection
Member
Stopped by real quick to say that I'm glad the community playlist is having an overall good first appearance. Special thanks to all the new CCs that were added to the group, it is nice to actually have enough reliable CCs to hold playtests. The 20+ dedicated hours we put into the playtesting last weekend was well worth it.
As for framerate in splitscreen and personal ordnance having ridiculous power weapons... these are things that have been noted. Keep up with the feedback folks. I'm jumping online to play some right now.
As for framerate in splitscreen and personal ordnance having ridiculous power weapons... these are things that have been noted.
Keep up with the feedback folks. I'm jumping online to play some right now.Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Just played Shutout. Jetpacks really ruin the map gameplay.
User 73706
Banned
xxjuicesxx
Member
The initial HaloGAF posts after an update always seem to be a bunch of people blown away by the developers and that Halo is now saved and Jesus is coming.
I'm going to go ahead and just guess though that SpOps is still terrible (I havent bothered playing any of it) and that MM is not saved in the least. In fact the Forge maps are probably going to fuck up MM in a few months if they are integrated.
Adapt
Play em nerd
HiredN00bs
Member
The Spartan Ops Episode 6 is an improvement, period. No one who thought the first half of the season was poor was saying it was amazing, only that it is an improvement because it is. Reviews also benefit from lowered expectations, which are completely understandable. The chapters feel closer to campaign encounters, and the new environments are refreshing. If you don't like the Halo 4 campaign, or you're looking for something akin to Firefight modes of the past, you're not going to feel any benefit from the improved designs.
I have to say I really liked this weeks spartan ops and can't wait to see the final 4 weeks. Looks like David and the 343 team took the criticism to heart and will finish the season on a high note.
Forge playlist is also encouraging. While I'd never have thought camo and jetpack would be on lockout, I'm just glad we have a new set of maps to play on.
Forge playlist is also encouraging. While I'd never have thought camo and jetpack would be on lockout, I'm just glad we have a new set of maps to play on.